00:00:00 --- log: started retro/06.10.07 01:39:30 Cheery, what do you mean with putting them all into a box? 07:05:41 good morning all 07:33:51 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 07:44:10 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 07:44:11 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 07:44:17 --- quit: Snoopy42 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:17 --- quit: snoopy_1711 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:17 --- quit: neceve (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:45:33 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 07:45:33 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 07:45:33 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 07:47:22 good morning crc 07:49:50 --- quit: snoopy_1711 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 07:53:25 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #retro 08:07:47 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 08:08:55 --- quit: snoopy_1711 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:08:55 --- quit: Snoopy42 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:08:55 --- quit: neceve (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:10:32 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 08:10:32 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 08:10:32 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 08:14:35 --- quit: erider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:15:06 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #retro 08:17:12 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08:17:13 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 08:17:13 --- quit: snoopy_1711 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08:17:15 --- quit: Snoopy42 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:17:15 --- quit: neceve (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:18:20 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-100-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 08:18:20 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 09:26:47 good morning 09:27:51 crc: are you a pascal user? 09:29:26 I haven't used pascal in many years 09:32:11 would you prefer C 09:32:20 yes 09:32:37 and reason why 09:32:58 any* 09:33:23 C typically allows more flexibility in coding 09:33:46 hmm 09:33:48 ok 09:33:52 it's also less verbose, so code tends to be more compact 09:33:56 thanks for the help 09:34:14 erider: I have a personal opinion about languages like Pascal. 09:34:42 I think such languages are written to lower the bar of entry, allowing a greater pool of programmers. 09:35:15 no worries I was just thinking about using a template of the language to help with the translator of fisp 09:36:35 I agree Raystm2 because I can pick pascal up fairly quickly 09:37:06 Python works like that as well. 09:37:11 I did pick up pascal more easily than C 09:38:29 infact erider, you might find Python working better as a template language then Pascal, as there are current programmers interfacing Python with everything. 09:38:41 but I picked up BASIC more quickly, so ease of learning isn't really the best measure of a language 09:38:47 but some would said the languages are comparable 09:39:40 I think of Pascal as sort of a basic OOP c. 09:39:43 s/said/say 09:40:14 s/said/say that 09:41:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_and_C has some comparisons between the two 09:42:33 oh cool. 09:45:14 when you say flexibility crc what are you referring to? 09:46:20 C allows you to manipulate things at a lower level than pascal 09:47:15 e.g., casting of types, overriding the bit size of a variable, and (even though crude), free manipulation of pointers 09:52:01 generally speaking, you can do the same things in both languages, but some things are harder to do in pascal than in C. For new programmers though, pascal is almost always a cleaner language to learn. 09:53:29 I agree because I already have a template and a test template for fisp compiler in pascal 09:54:14 a compiler for the Fédération Internationale des Sociétés de Philosophie? 09:54:33 but I'm thinking, should I convert the code into C or try to import it when its complete some how 09:54:57 lol 09:55:10 forth lisp 09:56:00 lol Q 09:57:27 That sounds like two trains colliding in a station. Lisp with a typed stack? Typed Forth with list-processing words? 09:58:04 I'm thinking, before you can make a compiler for the Society ( I don't now how to make those letters btw) you need a large enough blender to break everything down. 09:58:35 agreed 09:58:50 It can be a thought-blender; les Sociétés de Philosophie don't deal with the real world. :) 09:59:52 hehe :) 10:00:13 I could be a critique. 10:00:18 yikes 10:00:22 not I but it. 10:00:31 the blendre 10:00:38 oye que tipo de lingua estas usando? 10:02:21 I hate this irc client. I should be able to cut and paste eriders last into a translator, but alas I can highlight or select text in the window. 10:02:36 s/can/can not 10:02:57 hmm bueno si nadie hable espanol voy a parar hablando esta lingua 10:02:58 Okay okay, I can do so from the log. 10:03:59 I forget oye, but the rest reads "that (or maybe which) type of language are you using?" 10:04:12 You have me at an educational disadvantage. 10:04:27 crc: correct 10:04:55 Ya, I sorta gleened that. You can pick out roots. But you only get the gist. 10:05:18 good if nobody speaks spanish I go to (or will) stop speaking this language 10:05:25 that should be the second one 10:05:43 correct 10:05:44 Oh sure, I see that now. cool. 10:05:49 Raystm2: I studied spanish for three years 10:05:51 good 10:05:53 :) 10:05:58 * crc isn't getting too forgetful then :) 10:06:12 I studied hispanic women for many more... :) 10:06:31 lol 10:06:44 I am anamored of hispanic women, but i married a Swede. 10:07:19 lol 10:07:19 Those dark, firey ladies, always get my attention tho. 10:07:34 lol 10:08:01 Time for pills. 10:09:59 I've been a good boy with my diet and meds and i'm proud to report that my 2 week average blood sugar has steadily dropped below the scale I use to determing how much insulin to take. 10:14:57 The injury of the foot that started all this, after 5 months, is finally healing. 10:15:14 On it's own. 10:15:50 I stood a good chance of loosing my big toe and the bone behind it , if it hadn't started healing on its own. 10:20:27 X( 10:20:37 x_x 10:20:41 etc. 10:20:45 Glad to hear you're improving, Ray! 10:21:26 I'm not feeling good today, I guess it's all about watching TV all the day. 10:34:21 Thanks Quartus. 10:34:29 Sorry to read that Cheery. 10:34:39 hope you feel better soon. 11:57:31 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 12:09:26 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-122-027.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 12:17:25 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12:17:49 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 13:21:14 RxForth 1b is out 13:21:32 I was wondering when it was going to out itself. It wasn't fooling anybody. 13:21:48 :D 13:21:53 heh 13:22:14 I'm still trying to figure out why the windows version of retro has trouble loading certain files 13:22:23 I am anxiously awaiting the result. 13:22:39 I know 13:23:16 I plan to optimize DO/LOOP/+LOOP, they're a bit slow presently. 15:36:51 crc: do you know of any good material about fasm on line? 16:10:39 --- join: jas2o (n=jas2o@wnpp-p-144-134-163-54.prem.tmns.net.au) joined #retro 16:25:01 --- quit: jas2o ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [XULRunner 1.8.0.1/2006012608]") 18:12:28 --- join: jas2o (n=jas2o@wnpp-p-144-134-163-54.prem.tmns.net.au) joined #retro 18:13:24 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:15:39 --- quit: jas2o (Client Quit) 18:53:07 erider: almost everything I know of is on http://flatassembler.net/docs.php 18:54:01 crc: I have some real problems test assembly on my system due to it being 64bit 18:57:45 :( 18:58:04 64-bit x86 is not as clean for moving to as 16-bit to 32-bit was 19:00:59 I'm looking at the tutorial and I don't see anything yet that covers the new x86_64 code set crc 19:03:43 there are two documents at http://www.x86-64.org/documentation 19:03:55 I haven't found any real tutorials on x86-64 assembly yet 19:08:25 technical manuals are at http://www.intel.com/design/pentium4/manuals/index_new.htm 19:12:07 crc: thanks you for your help 19:20:06 crc: from what I have played around with. It looks like that pushing on the stack is not uses as much as it was in ia32. They do use pushq %rbp movq %rsp,%rbp subq $16,%rsp this seems to be the boiling point 19:21:57 --- quit: timlarson ("Leaving") 19:22:37 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l325b.cable.mindspring.com) joined #retro 20:10:08 --- join: yoyofreeman (n=root@124.114.101.152) joined #retro 20:37:15 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 22:41:19 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 23:02:07 --- part: yoyofreeman left #retro 23:52:11 --- quit: crc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/06.10.07