00:00:00 --- log: started retro/06.09.15 05:37:17 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #retro 05:50:09 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #retro 06:13:36 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #retro 06:22:29 Good morning. 08:44:57 morning ray. 08:59:57 Hi there, Cheery. :) 09:00:35 what's new? 09:02:59 Too much to tell shortly. 09:03:34 * Ray_work figures out that the design singularity will occur approximately 3 years after the first machine-designer-machine is invented. 09:04:50 there will be approximately 30 generations from the machine that does it in 18 months to the machine that does it every 100th of a second or so. 09:05:14 I think we've already sailed past several futurists' predictions of when a so-called technological singularity will occur. 09:06:15 none of them are any too clear on just what form it will take, and all posit some important key discovery happening that permits it to occur in the first place. 09:12:01 maybe these self-replcating machines won't want to replicate as fast as they can, but rather take their time and add lots of baroque curliques, and just the right shade of paint. :) 09:38:22 hehe 09:46:40 At some stage any given self-replicating machine has to stop and ask why it's building a replacement that's just going to take its job away. 09:47:04 Maybe slow down a bit, find itself, travel. 09:47:09 What is all this polymorhism? :0 09:47:59 Natural progression. Machines replicate, resources become scarce, and evolutionary factors begin to determine which machines survive, and which don't. 09:48:01 I'm in two chats about the subject and I would have thought that resources or mechanical restrictions would apply but everybody wants to talk about the machines personnal needs hehehe. 09:49:19 But one becomes the other rapidly. A machine that turns all available materials into other machines is going to run out of supplies pretty quickly, and then the resulting machines will decay also. 09:51:04 Any slightly more intelligent method of consuming resources will be superior, and displace the simple replicator. 09:54:24 replicators eating each other cause evolutionary pressure and mutation, giving a chance for those more intelligent methods to be developed 09:55:04 so we could have huge turbulence followed by stability, possibly cycling like a strange attractor. 09:55:33 And then a break for lunch. 10:01:04 if you noticed, I was discussing the the classic studies of population of foxes eating rabits, so lunch was already on ;) 10:01:35 yikes, non of that needs be the case. 10:01:39 Well, the machines will doubtless engage in endless discussions about who's going to pick up lunch, what they should have, etc. 10:01:39 s/population/populations/ s/rabits/rabbits/ s/other mistakes/aowkdg alsker/ 10:01:50 no that can happen. hehehe 10:02:48 We ourselves are the result of just such a process. If you think mechanical devices can reproduce that process, well, I think that's about as feasible as Babbage trying to build a computer out of brass. 10:04:18 yeah, but refinements of the process have developed the ability to create more complex machines over time...haven't they found our dna is twice as complex as a worm's? 10:04:39 ;) 10:04:59 If you want to stretch 'machine' to include dna, then the game is already on. No need to posit self-replicating robots. 10:08:07 we just want to up the ante by positing comprehending-dna-designing robots. 10:25:45 Which is dandy, but they won't be making new versions every 1/100th of a second. 10:54:12 --- quit: nighty (Remote closed the connection) 11:10:14 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@66-163-28-100.ip.tor.radiant.net) joined #retro 11:53:06 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-109-230.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 12:10:16 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:10:24 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 12:35:24 --- join: swsch (n=stefan@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/swsch) joined #retro 12:35:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o swsch 12:35:51 --- part: swsch left #retro 13:25:11 --- join: ferMob (n=vttxqla@gprs-internet.mobile.sonera.net) joined #retro 13:25:32 --- quit: ferMob (Client Quit) 13:28:19 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:37:53 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 14:58:53 --- quit: Ray_work ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 15:32:09 --- nick: Raystm2 -> tiff 15:47:43 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 15:56:33 --- nick: tiff -> Raystm2 15:57:24 Good evening. 17:34:17 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@CPE00119576a9c5-CM0012c90d36fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 21:54:54 --- quit: nighty_ (Remote closed the connection) 23:27:38 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 23:49:13 --- join: lukeparr1sh (n=docl@74-36-211-202.dr01.hmdl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #retro 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/06.09.15