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11:52:04 <crc> RetroForth 9.2.10 is out; this fixes the problem with BSD systems. 
11:52:16 <crc> I have successfully run this on FreeBSD 4.8 now :)
11:52:19 <Quartus> Good deal. Other changes?
11:52:22 <crc> nope
11:53:06 <crc> everything should work the same as before
11:54:05 <Quartus> The download link I'm seeing is still 9.2.9.
11:54:58 <crc> on retroforth.org?
11:55:18 <Quartus> retroforth.net, actually.  Same page comes up but not updated.
11:55:22 <Quartus> I'm on .org now.
11:55:24 <crc> yeah
11:55:31 * crc is updating .net at present
11:55:58 <Quartus> There it is running happily!
11:59:07 <Quartus> Hmm, some of the ANS stuff doesn't work under that version.
11:59:27 <Quartus> I'll try it under windows.
12:01:24 <crc> which stuff is not working?
12:01:33 <Quartus> The windows version runs the same as 9.2.9.
12:01:33 <Cheery> Ooh, delegation is a great feature!
12:01:34 <Cheery> http://web.media.mit.edu/~lieber/Lieberary/OOP/Delegation/Delegation.html
12:02:01 <Quartus> I don't know yet why it's breaking -- the retro-ans.fs loads fine, but modules.fs doesn't.
12:03:47 <Cheery> But I think it is harder to implement than class-object -thing.
12:04:26 <Quartus> crc, something odd; the line that fails runs fine if I type it in by hand, but not via either -f or include.
12:05:04 <Quartus> Yes, I've narrowed it down to that.
12:06:04 <Quartus> Are the -f and include stuff based on different code in the bsd version?
12:07:03 <Quartus> If I concatenate the two files retro-ans.fs and modules.fs, the new file loads without error.
12:07:16 <crc> I'll look into this
12:07:47 <Quartus> I recommend again switching over to a refill-based system, then it'll run identically on every version, and all this will fade into history. :)
12:08:22 <Raystm2> crc got your mail, thanks :)
12:08:39 <Raystm2> Quartus: what is refill-based, is this something I can google?
12:09:24 <Quartus> Raystm2, retroforth brings in files in large pieces, and then parses them.  Standard Forth (and most Forths before it) read source a line at a time, parse that until complete, and then bring in another line.
12:09:56 <Quartus> The first method may be slightly faster, but you run into problems at least wherein you have to limit the maximum size of an included file.
12:10:04 <Raystm2> Thanks Quartus.
12:10:51 <Quartus> And if you nest includes, you have to keep the large chunks in memory for the span of the nesting... things like that.
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12:26:16 <crc> oddly, it fails on FreeBSD 4.8, and 5.5, but works on NetBSD (which is nearly identical)
12:26:24 <Quartus> Weird.
12:27:41 <crc> yeah. I'm going to boot up 6.1 and try it there...
12:35:55 <crc> fails on 6.1 as well
12:36:07 <Quartus> Curious.
12:37:51 * crc discovers that the NetBSD version of Retro works just fine on FreeBSD
12:38:06 <Quartus> It didn't under 9.2.9.
12:38:21 <crc> it was also broken in 9.2.9
12:38:51 <Quartus> I just branded the netbsd version, it doesn't work for me under 4.8.
12:40:03 <crc> ftp -a http://retroforth.org/retroforth/rf-netbsd
12:40:16 <crc> ld -s -e _start rf-netbsd -o retro
12:40:45 <crc> that works for me
12:41:03 <Quartus> The resulting 'retro' runs here, yes.
12:41:28 <Quartus> I would have to read the ld man page to figure out what that does, though.
12:41:57 <crc> -s strips debugging information
12:42:01 <crc> -e _start
12:42:09 <crc> tells ld what the entry point is named
12:42:17 <crc> then the object file (rf-netbsd)
12:42:29 <Quartus> A readme with the brandelf trick, and this one, at least, would be handy.
12:42:35 <crc> -o retro  to use 'retro' as the output file
12:42:42 <Quartus> The -o I figured out. :)
12:42:45 <crc> ok
12:43:09 <crc> actually, I may drop the freebsd version in favor of using this
12:43:22 <Quartus> just 'bsd' in that case.
12:43:25 <crc> if I can squeeze in OpenBSD support, it'd be really nice :)
12:43:26 <crc> yeah
12:43:59 <Quartus> Ok, that new 'retro' doesn't have the problem loading modules.fs.
12:48:18 <crc> good
12:48:29 <Quartus> Only good if you know why :)
12:49:08 <crc> the syscall implementation is different on the netbsd port; I am pretty sure that it has something to do with that
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