00:00:00 --- log: started retro/06.09.02 00:15:18 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 06:03:48 --- join: jas2o (n=jas2o@144.134.159.18) joined #retro 06:14:37 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@CPE00119576a9c5-CM0012c90d36fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 06:59:52 --- quit: jas2o ("Chatzilla 0.9.74 [XULRunner 1.8.0.1/2006012608]") 07:42:36 --- join: Qss (i=abast_rd@ip38-74-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl) joined #retro 07:45:29 --- part: Qss left #retro 11:32:52 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-181-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 11:40:25 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:40:33 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 13:17:38 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #retro 13:17:53 --- part: slava left #retro 13:18:50 --- join: futhin (n=wunderwa@bespin.org) joined #retro 13:18:57 hey crc 13:36:33 hi 13:37:31 ding dong the witch is dead! 13:43:00 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #retro 14:08:53 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:18:29 --- part: Cheery left #retro 14:21:29 good evening 14:39:00 Hi crc. 14:48:32 Wow. Downloaded the latest stable win32forth. It takes more than 25 seconds to run the same bench that retroforth (with my speedups) does in less than 2.5. 14:49:03 pm crc 14:49:05 That is astonishingly slow. 14:56:12 win32forth.. yeah yeah .. lets sing yeah yeah ... 15:02:23 yeah yeah yeah death to win32forth 15:02:45 * Raystm2 gets home from overtime day. 15:03:19 Hi Raystm2. 15:05:22 .. so wonderful big and nasty and sick .. win32forth! yeah yeah yeaaah! 15:06:55 Hi Quartus. Good day so far? 15:07:08 So far nothing truly worthy of complaint. :) How are you? 15:08:19 First full day working in production since my injury. My feet are swollen, achy, other than that my attitude is in a high platitude. 15:08:33 That's the most important part; so you're winning. :) 15:08:38 :) 15:08:41 injury? 15:09:58 Ya futhin: in May, I stepped on a nail. It presented as a rather nasty infection on the interior lateral side of the ball of my right foot, and has not healed since in 4 months. This is how I found out I was diabetic. 15:10:28 Speaking of which, I need to test, inject and eat. brb. :) 15:11:04 hmm, how long do you reckon you've been diabetic before the diagnosis? 15:11:38 Remember that year that I was depressed and didn't leave the house? 15:12:05 yeah 15:12:10 and you didn't sleep much either 15:12:15 are you sleep more now? 15:12:35 I've been diabetic my whole life. Born with it. It's genetic. But i've been such an athlete and ate so well for so long that I never really knew. 15:12:44 Yes, I sleep much better now. 15:12:47 No more insomnia. 15:12:58 I can get to sleep by 9:30 if I wish. 15:13:15 Used to have to stay up till 2-3am till I could sleep. 15:15:05 The infectious diseases Dr. saved my life. When he tested my blood, he suspected diabetes and so had that test as well. I was 6 times the normal limit. 15:15:22 hmm, i didn't know people could be born with insomnia.. i thought it was either child-onset or adult-onset, primarily caused by diet 15:15:31 I'd been living that way for so long that it felt normal. 15:15:32 er 15:15:37 s/insomnia/diabetes 15:15:44 ya. 15:15:57 No you have the genetic propencity for it. 15:16:08 Two of my fathers sisters had/have it. 15:16:18 actually some of my reading indicates that changing the diet for the better can let diabetics stop using the needle 15:16:36 one didn't take care of her self, went blind and died. 15:16:47 Yes, that i'm looking foreward too. 15:17:27 have to get it undercontrol first. I can actually feel when i'm too high or too low in sugar. 15:18:03 When I'm too low, my heart races, I get sweaty and shakey. 15:18:27 When I'm too high, my circulation to my feet makes them tingle. 15:18:57 Everything tastes so good now. Even diabetic foods taste great. 15:19:23 hmm, what kind of diet do you have now? more vegies or what? 15:19:52 Protiens and Fats help ballance sugars, but yes more fruits and veggies as well. :) 15:20:42 Processed foods, and sugar drinks, only in low moderation. 15:21:13 I can have the bowl of ice cream, just has to be a tea cup instead of a Butter tub . :) 15:23:25 Of course, I'm not obese, so I don't have the same kinds of dietary problems that obese diabetics suffer. 15:28:59 Or obses people in general. 15:29:07 er, obese, rather. 15:29:11 right. 15:35:26 cool 141. I don't need the needle, just food. :) 15:36:51 Quartus. We need to create the Tester in forth on the palm with an attachment that does the prick for blood and the test in one move. :) 15:37:10 Sounds like a money-maker. I imagine there's a dedicated appliance in that space already. 15:38:08 Be even better if it could do the test on saliva instead of blood... 15:38:33 Or something fancy that worked by sniffing. 15:38:42 :) neat. 15:38:51 Then you could wear it like a pendant, it'd let you know all the time whether you were in range. 15:39:04 OR something that just doses you properly thru-out the day with out need of a needle. 15:39:32 Sure. Though perhaps a monitoring device that required lifestyle modification would be a better solution for the patient. 15:39:58 Your right. It has helped me. 15:40:11 As opposed to an automated solution that let you keep on eating Krispy Kremes. :) 15:40:19 ya :) hehe 15:40:59 everything in my life changed the day that I went home on vacation, as that was the day I learned I was diabetic and got my stick and jab kit. 15:41:22 Met two brothers i've never seen before... 15:41:29 You mentioned. Good deal. 15:41:32 ya. 15:45:56 Now I have to try and convince my boss that light duty is over and that I need all of my compensation back. Otherwise, I may have to sue. And you know that never works out for anybody. 15:46:22 --- part: futhin left #retro 15:50:10 No, that's true. 15:51:14 He needs to set me up in an office of my own in New England. We'd make a fortune. 15:51:26 I could use a fortune. 15:51:26 :) 15:51:43 I've already opened stores in Houston, San Antonio, Austin. 15:52:05 Problem is that the people that he put in to manage those locals, all F'd him. 15:52:19 Some people have a skill for hiring the wrong staff. 15:52:41 Which could be useful; bring a guy like that onboard, let him interview everybody; if he likes them, they're out. 15:52:55 hehe ;) 15:53:15 Everybody i've hired is still with the company. 16:02:58 That's a comfort. :) 17:40:17 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #retro 18:17:02 --- join: jas2o (n=jas2o@WNPP-p-203-54-32-44.prem.tmns.net.au) joined #retro 19:34:34 --- quit: jas2o ("moving...") 19:41:24 http://www.forth.org/compilers.html Congrats! Charles, your at the top of the page. :) 19:42:05 I see he still doesn't list Quartus Forth on the commercial compilers page. 19:42:24 But you are listed on this page. 19:42:52 Ah. It includes 'shareware', which my product isn't, but ok. 19:43:27 Oh. Indeed. His name is Dave and I'm sure he's willing to accomodate. 19:44:08 jaffe@roses.stanford.edu Dave Jaffe. 19:44:24 Thanks. 19:45:37 My great preasure. doh! pleasure. 19:45:52 --- quit: Quartus_ ("used jmIrc") 19:46:52 I had mentioned your ANS as a little name dropping to sweeten my deal, but Dave had heard of RetroForth. 19:47:00 Heh. 19:48:55 The list of OS's it works with, and the ANS word set, I think that makes RetroForth quite impressive, comparatively speaking. 19:49:15 I tried to fire up the freebsd version the other day on a host I have access to, wtihout any luck. 19:49:19 Complained about the ELF type. 19:49:45 Hmm. Beyond my scope of experiance, but I bet crc would like to know about that. 19:50:01 Yes, it had slipped my mind. 19:50:20 Do you have any suspects? 19:50:26 No clue. 19:50:52 I guess the ELF is a good prospect. :) 19:51:09 Maybe. Maybe despite this host identifying itself as freebsd, it's odd in some way. 19:52:18 haxor version. independantly homegrown. 19:52:51 Nothing like that. It's a major hosting service. 19:54:18 --- quit: nighty_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:54:45 I see. 19:55:49 You know, Neal, these testers have a data port. 19:56:06 What is the port used for? 19:56:16 Diabetics need to list there meals, keep records of intake and the like. 19:57:05 I assume the thing docks with the mother ship at a doctors office, or possibly the company that suppies them have need of data...? I don't know, really. 19:57:23 I just know that they have a jack on them, and I'm certain its a data port. 19:57:51 Probably so. Likely uses a closely-guarded proprietary format that they'd sue if you reverse-engineered. 19:59:01 Sure, but my point is that developing one that works with the Palm should pose very little challenge. 19:59:25 Except for the legal challenges. And the insurance against liability if somebody used the product and had some subsequent difficulty they felt like blaming the developer for. 20:00:14 Hmm. Well, i'm just talking about the recording of data along with a notepad of meals and times... 20:00:25 Yes, it'd probably be handy. 20:01:04 But I wouldn't design it or dare to sell it without approval from the manufacturer. 20:01:13 I'd have to research if such a thing exists, already. 20:01:37 Right, heck they should be considered during funding time as well. :) 20:01:55 Right. 20:01:59 AND they're competitors. 20:04:16 Frankly I'd be astonished to get approval from the company. 20:05:26 I suppose you are correct. 20:05:53 Perhaps it's just my corporate cynicism. I expect even if somebody there thought it was a nifty idea, though, their legal department would say 'no' just on the off-chance. 20:06:32 There is that. 20:07:00 Quartus: did you use brandelf on the freebsd version? 20:07:12 Legal Dept. would not be doing there job if they didn't shoot it down first. 20:07:17 hi crc. 20:07:17 No. This is the first time I've ever seen the word 'brandelf'. 20:07:20 brandelf -t FreeBSD rf-freebsd 20:07:59 FreeBSD requires binaries to be branded before it'll run them 20:08:20 That changed things. Now it dumps core. 20:08:26 odd 20:08:31 what version of freebsd? 20:08:36 4.8-STABLE 20:09:04 ahh, I developed under 6.0; I need to setup VM's with 4.8 and 5.x still :( 20:09:11 Ah. 20:12:13 * crc starts downloading 4.8 and 5.5 20:12:40 I ran it out of curiousity, to see if my ANS layer would function properly. I suspect it will. 20:13:40 After these ISO's download and install, I'll see what I can do to make it run on 4.x, 5.x, and 6.x of FreeBSD 20:13:46 it should work on all of them 20:13:51 Good deal. 20:13:59 * crc will try it with the native system sometime soon as well 20:14:53 crc: how's the RxForth comming? 20:15:12 Raystm2: I'm still cleaning up/documenting the current code 20:15:37 it is going pretty well though; the GTK+ bindings now work: http://retroforth.org/rxgtk3.png 20:17:10 Hey, that's cool. 20:17:15 Nice job. 20:20:55 crc, I should send you the latest faster.fs. 20:21:13 yes please :) 20:22:06 ftp installation of 5.5 is under way; 4.8 ISO still downloading... 20:22:22 Just mailed. 20:22:57 I'm a novice at pentium optimization; those are my best efforts thus far. They make quite a difference. 20:24:38 There's a couple of additional words in faster.fs, as well, like cell- and cell/ 20:26:15 Oh, and inlining 2over doesn't gain much. You can de-inline that one. 20:40:15 thanks 20:40:25 Sure. Hope it's useful. 20:40:42 * crc will be using at least some of the optimizations in 9.3 20:41:20 I had defined 'exchange' as an optimized word, but the benchmark uses it, and I thought it would artificially elevate the results. 20:41:56 Well, it did. :) So I took it out. Handy word, swaps two locations in memory. 20:45:07 cool 20:45:15 install of 4.8 has begun... 20:46:47 * crc loves vmware; it makes testing on the various OSes I support so much easier :) 20:50:23 I believe it. 21:03:40 --- join: jas2o_ (n=jas2o@WNPP-p-203-54-32-44.prem.tmns.net.au) joined #retro 21:03:43 --- nick: jas2o_ -> jas2o 21:24:26 oddly enough, the freebsd version does not work on 4.8 or 5.5; the generic version works on 5.5, but not 4.8 21:24:41 * crc will take a look into possible causes of this 21:30:01 just my luck I'm 4.8. :) 21:35:50 yeah 22:05:55 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 22:24:37 --- quit: jas2o ("seeya") 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/06.09.02