00:00:00 --- log: started retro/06.07.05 01:02:39 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #retro 04:34:50 --- join: Cheery (n=Henri@a81-197-12-134.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #retro 05:08:22 --- quit: nighty ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 05:09:07 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #retro 06:21:22 --- quit: nighty ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 06:21:35 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #retro 06:36:26 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #retro 07:22:23 --- quit: docl ("leaving") 08:27:06 --- join: docl (n=docl@70-101-145-1.br1.mcl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #retro 08:27:58 * docl wonders if there's a way to show text in X outside of a window 09:02:50 docl, nope, X needs a window 09:03:26 but I think what you mean should do printing in the root window 09:16:12 root window? that sounds promising. does it overlay the rest of the windows? 09:22:26 it's the big fat mother of everything, so yes. 09:25:57 I never tried it.. 09:43:02 --- quit: nighty ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 09:45:39 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 09:46:12 --- quit: crc_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:54:16 interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure 10:01:21 apparently this is used as a part of Mesa. it's a way of directly accessing the hardware without conflicting with X. 10:04:55 yeah, it can be done.. 10:05:20 but it's an X extension 10:05:28 yeah 10:06:08 --- quit: neceve (Client Quit) 10:06:21 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 10:06:30 also there's DirectFB: http://www.directfb.org/ 10:06:51 I know that fb 10:07:08 but that's more fore embedded devices. 10:07:40 will it work on PCs? 10:07:50 it should. 10:07:56 forth is more for embedded devices :P 10:08:10 forth is also scaleable 10:08:45 I don't want to be everytime on embedded devices because 'forth is only good at them' 10:11:05 yeah forth is good at programming. but retro computing is kind of like embedded devices because it deals with optimized resources. 10:12:06 --- quit: neceve (Client Quit) 10:12:22 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 10:13:10 GTK can actually be run on top of DirectFB 10:13:47 That sounds promising 10:14:33 * Ray_work was looking into Gtk+ and GtkHtml as a quick webbrowse for Retro, at crc's recomendation. 10:15:31 cool, how's it look? 10:16:49 another promising thing about DirectFB is it's being actively developed. 10:22:12 --- quit: neceve (Client Quit) 10:22:19 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 10:22:57 crc will like this, it also supports netbsd and freebsd 10:23:51 --- join: neceve_ (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #retro 10:24:19 --- quit: neceve_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:25:28 the best card for this is a matrox card 10:29:08 yeah, other cards don't have as good of accelerations. 10:32:53 what I dislike is the fact that it works with the fb, I only had bad experiences with the fb device. 10:35:12 but I think, it could be nice for a forth game linux 10:35:44 heh, now I remember, I planned such a project... 10:38:06 neat 10:38:44 I wonder if I can get fb to work under qemu 10:48:06 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #retro 11:04:48 * docl is learning to use screen. very worthwhile. 11:11:42 also works very intuitively with irssi 12:13:57 docl: re: Gtk+ and GtkHtml. Looks okay. According to crc, the process includes wraping those c functions and calling them with the FFI. 12:25:39 cool 12:27:46 I just realised, linux compatibility layers in retro native might not actually be that complex. 12:42:31 --- nick: Raystm2 -> nanstm 13:54:26 france wins 13:54:26 :) 13:54:37 against portugal 13:54:54 so final is France Italy 13:59:53 --- quit: neceve (Remote closed the connection) 14:10:37 ahh, so that wasn't the final after all. well, I bet france wins this one too :) 14:12:58 good evening 14:13:10 hiho our master 14:13:15 ;-) 14:13:39 docl: re linux compatibility. Any syscalls other than those relating to multitasking/multithreading could be built in the existing retro/native 14:13:41 hi virl 14:26:50 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 14:33:42 I had to disable editing on the wiki; some odd bugs in editing arose :( 14:47:10 --- quit: nanstm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:47:33 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-43-76.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #retro 14:47:35 --- quit: Ray_work (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:48:00 brb, rebooting 14:48:13 --- quit: crc ("Leaving") 14:53:49 --- join: crc (n=crc@pool-70-110-205-218.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #retro 15:02:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 15:03:04 --- mode: crc set +oooo docl nighty Raystm2 Snoopy42 15:03:04 --- mode: crc set +o virl 15:09:20 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #retro 15:09:22 --- quit: Ray_work (Remote closed the connection) 15:16:50 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-150-087.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #retro 15:25:15 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15:25:29 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 15:55:31 --- quit: nighty ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 17:06:37 --- join: dsl1933 (n=dsl@69.177.170.117) joined #retro 17:07:34 --- quit: dsl1933 (Remote closed the connection) 18:54:32 --- join: Ochentero (n=email@200.80.238.188) joined #retro 18:55:05 --- part: Ochentero left #retro 23:59:59 --- log: ended retro/06.07.05