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02:36:24 <neuro_`> https://niedzejkob.p4.team/bootstrap/miniforth/
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02:47:22 <proteus-guy> neuro_`, interesting - is this yours or something you discovered? Have you encountered sectorForth before?
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03:23:16 <neuro_`> It's not mine, someone just posted it. I've seen sector forth earlier, it also reminded me of that.
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06:33:15 <proteus-guy> There was a talk on Forth International Meeting on Feb 13th, 2021 about Sectorforth fwiw: https://youtu.be/SEUhcxSyTk4?t=7572
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11:24:34 <crc_> Since freenode has decided to repeatedly k-line me for my choice to use a bouncer to connect (as well as the other issues I've had), I will no longer be present in this channel, apart from the bridge.
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11:30:12 <mark4> aha
11:34:01 <cbridge_> <crc> I've dealt with too much on the freenode side since this all began.
11:38:25 <cbridge_> <KipIngram> What do they dislike about bouncers?
11:42:57 <cbridge_> <crc> specifically irccloud: [13:46] <@root> if irccloud functioned like AndChat or any other client and didn't route all of your private communications through its MITM servers it would probably not have been banned
11:43:24 <cbridge_> <crc> It was suggested to me to use freenode's own recently rolled out bouncer instead
11:43:58 <cbridge_> <crc> I was also klined on another identity using a self hosted ZNC recently.
11:46:01 <cbridge_> <crc> it's not a big issue as long as they don't go after the bridge. Just makes monitoring the other side a little harder.
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11:49:42 <cbridge_> <KipIngram> I was hoping things would just be... "uneventful" after the recent ruckus settled down.
11:50:16 <cbridge_> <crc> Nope, it's picking up :(
11:51:05 <cbridge_> <crc> They took control of #fsf and #gnu shortly after the FSF announced they would be switching here in 2 weeks, and have taken over a few others channels since then
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13:31:59 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> no
13:32:58 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> seems like run of the mill IRC op drama
13:34:04 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> it just that its been like 25 years or so since last one of this size
13:35:14 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> imode: CyberCoinz™ is the new AML/KYC compliant stable coin like online currency!
13:35:57 <cbridge_> <crc> I don't have the patience or time to keep navigating though the constant changes in policy on the freenode side.
13:36:57 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> how hard is it to run a small ircd on something like a vps?
13:38:18 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> why? not talking about anything more complex than a spud server in irc cowl
13:38:30 <cbridge_> <crc> Not so much difficult as time consuming.
13:39:40 <cbridge_> <remexre> uh it's... not too difficult?
13:40:11 <cbridge_> <remexre> I op a network connected to my university, setting up ngircd takes like 15min
13:40:14 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> aha! that explains some things I have seen on the 'net over the years
13:40:21 <cbridge_> <riv> if forth is so great write an ircd in forth
13:40:28 <cbridge_> <remexre> getting it to pick up Let's Encrypt certs is actually the trickier part
13:40:48 <cbridge_> <remexre> for some reason it won't pick them up with a SIGHUP (on freebsd and my config; I'm not convinced this isn't operator error)
13:40:58 <cbridge_> <crc> riv: I have considered this, but don't want the support headaches that come with it :)
13:41:59 <cbridge_> <remexre> yeah, it definitely helps for us that we only have a dozen users and 2 channels
13:43:58 <cbridge_> <remexre> probably would write an ircd in forth or CL if I didn't need to maintain compat with the other servers tbh
13:44:05 <cbridge_> <remexre> (and if i had the time!)
13:44:56 <cbridge_> <remexre> don't think so, what stuff?
13:45:02 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> ircd in forth that isnt part of some large irc network is doable but damn time consuming
13:45:51 <cbridge_> <remexre> huh, neat
13:46:32 <cbridge_> <remexre> client compatibility
13:46:45 <cbridge_> <remexre> certain users insist on using protocols that ship in the default emacs install >_>
13:46:52 <cbridge_> <remexre> yeah, possible, but extra time consumption
13:48:46 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> and guys like me who use an irc client on oldish smartphone
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13:49:31 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> 
ACTION notes that Discord _still_ drains battery like mad even on newer devices

13:52:04 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> and what is it with insisting on voice chat in fps games? I do not like to hear a squeaks voice and you could get same info via the 'radio' numeric quick system that Counter Strike made famous
13:53:02 <cbridge_> <riv> hehe
13:53:06 <cbridge_> <riv> i like that idea
13:53:09 <cbridge_> <riv> someone write a MUCK in forth
13:53:19 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> and invariably TeamSpeak or Mumble is better then any half arsed by the big AAA makers
13:54:11 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> didnt LamdaMOO support a Forth like code for its inworld objects?
13:54:18 <cbridge_> <riv> :O
13:55:06 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> s/Lamda/Lambda/
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14:23:41 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> 
ACTION hands imode a pack of rubbers

14:23:49 <cbridge_> <FuckAndrewLee> gon' get dirty.
14:23:58 <cbridge_> <FuckAndrewLee> (I'll /part temporarily if chanops request.)
14:24:13 <cbridge_> <Zarutian_HTC> to prevent or rectify expensive mistakes
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19:47:53 <cbridge_> <dave0> maw
19:52:38 <proteus-guy> this sucks - I'm livid at the libera and freenode jerks for being such hamfisted idiots and doing everything possible to hurt the communities that they claim to be "helping". We need a long term solution that does not reward the pricks.
19:52:48 <cbridge_> <crc> maw dave0
19:53:29 <proteus-guy> Think maybe it's time to upgrade from irc but need something that isn't over complex or depends on web uis.
19:53:43 <cbridge_> <dave0> maw crc
19:56:57 <cbridge_> <siraben> I thought we were over this drama
19:57:25 <cbridge_> <remexre> new irccloud developments + ppl being mad abt https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/ -> redrama /shrug
19:57:34 <cbridge_> <siraben> imode: as you know it hasn't gotten any better
19:57:55 <cbridge_> <siraben> ##python was taken over
19:58:01 <cbridge_> <siraben> haha
20:00:13 <cbridge_> <siraben> crc: sorry to hear that you've been affected directly
20:02:14 <cbridge_> <crc> siraben: thanks. not to worry though ; I'm fine as long as they don't screw with the bridge. Sucks to be pushed out of my primary channel (#retro) though.
20:03:00 <cbridge_> <siraben> why did they remove you from #retro?
20:03:22 <cbridge_> <crc> I connect using irccloud as a bouncer.
20:04:05 <cbridge_> <crc> and they blocked my home IP addresses (don't know why - never got an answer on this from them)
20:04:08 <cbridge_> <siraben> crc: do you no longer have control of #retro?
20:04:11 <cbridge_> <crc> imode: yes
20:04:15 <cbridge_> <siraben> oh yikes
20:04:43 <cbridge_> <siraben> i wouldn't deal with the staff, they're extremely unpleasant
20:05:36 <cbridge_> <crc> siraben: it doesn't look like they've frozen my account, but I'll see tomorrow when I can try from work. (ipv4, but I have ~16 static ip's I can try from)
20:07:09 <cbridge_> <siraben> Can't wait for them to go for bridged Matrix users and kill 20K connections
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20:12:09 <cbridge_> <siraben> Anyway, a community is it's people.
20:12:12 <cbridge_> <siraben> its*
20:18:29 <cbridge_> <crc> indeed
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