00:00:00 --- log: started forth/21.05.27 00:00:26 --- part: rber left #forth 00:30:16 --- part: crest left #forth 00:39:25 lulz 02:07:07 --- join: futova joined #forth 04:40:41 --- quit: proteus-guy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 04:53:11 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 05:27:46 --- join: Joanna joined #forth 06:00:24 joke's on him, when he gets to labia.chat #forth and finds he still has to hear from us 06:02:51 there's no need for that 06:03:56 i enjoyed it 06:04:34 How do bridges work ? 06:04:49 it's just two bots relaying messages 06:04:58 joanna: I have a bot at each side, relaying messages 06:05:27 whether or not the ruling regime decides to kill such setups remains to be seen 06:05:35 Are you connected to both networks ? 06:05:49 cbridge-freenode is connected to both networks, yes 06:06:15 This is a much smarter solution than most have chosen 06:06:41 siraben, that is fud. have you seen anything to suggest that they would? 06:06:41 But you canât pm people on other side can you ? 06:06:56 Joanna, nope 06:06:59 joanna: no 06:07:22 Thatâs annoying oh well better than nothing 06:08:27 I could probably extend the bot to allow for that, but I don't want to deal with PMs passing through my system 06:08:32 crc could make it relay pms, i guess, but i can't imagine how that could possibly be abused 06:09:17 How many people on other network? 06:09:47 45 currently 06:29:21 Almost same number in both channels 06:30:35 i think most of the people in this channel are either bots or are people who look in every 2 years or so lol 06:32:01 lots of lurkers in forth channels :) 06:32:30 cmtptr: hard to say at this point :P 06:34:00 How did bots go to other network .. 06:34:11 i sat in here for over a year with nobody else till a few people started to notice it and do flybys lol 06:34:27 now its full of idlers :P 06:34:39 Success! 06:36:26 Tired out see you later.. 06:39:41 Yes a smarter solution, although the smartest solution is to not split at all! But yes much better than a full split. 06:40:28 The main thing is to keep the channel together, it would be sad if the Forth IRC community died over something totally unrelated to it 06:40:41 --- quit: cbridge-freenode (Remote host closed the connection) 06:41:04 --- join: cbridge-freenode joined #forth 06:41:20 crc: you probably don't want PMs to go through 06:41:27 in case it's used for harassment etc 06:42:14 indeed 06:42:21 If someone abuses it the bot will get banned 06:42:51 that too, then we all lose 06:42:54 Harassment is possible with and without the use of bots 06:43:26 I'm connected to both networks so you can PM me 06:43:43 I guess I could join both channels so you can tab-complete me 06:46:29 I think a lot have gotten into fights about moving 06:47:12 Are there any big channels at all tha are not moving ,? 06:47:33 I dunno what ##c is doing but they're down hundreds of members 06:47:43 #fsf hasn't formally moved yet 06:48:32 A lot will never leave because they are lurkers 06:51:45 The situation reminds me of a civil war 06:52:04 Exactly 06:52:20 And civilian 06:52:28 Suffer 06:52:38 We are innocent bystanders 06:53:25 Well yes partly it reminds me because civil wars are almost never worth the damage they cause 06:54:40 Only to the profiteers. Who is gaining from this ? 06:55:16 I don't think people profit from most of them, it's generally bad for everyone involved 06:56:06 Itâs one thing to support former staff by coming to their servers itâs quite another thing to force everyone you know to leave freenode 06:56:13 libera.chat mods aren't profiting from this, more work, less power. 06:56:30 I guess their ego profits or something 06:56:36 Who is even funding it ? 06:57:04 It just makes no sense 06:57:23 Their complaints make sense, but I don't think they warrant splitting the network 06:57:54 If lee was paying all these years doesnât he deserve credit also ? 06:58:54 Nobody deserves to break up the communities hosted here, so he gets some blame because his actions definitely provoked this drama 06:58:55 Iâm under impression that whole network is leaving to an under funded new network 06:59:12 Nah don't believe the hype 06:59:57 Iâve heard they have been threatening to destroy freenode for years 07:00:42 Like a civil war, there is a lot of misinformation going around 07:00:51 I'd take it all with a pinch of salt 07:00:55 I also heard that tomaw was about to merge freenode and oftc 07:01:33 Itâs kind of absurd to keep person paying for network out of network 07:02:24 They should have broken up when it was sold but didnât so Iâm suspicious of their excuses 07:04:08 Kicking existing ops from their home channel and server is not fud. 07:05:59 I donât really know the people involved so I donât want to take sides both volunteers and financing were valuable 07:06:23 yes, i agree with that. 07:06:40 testing matrix bridge 07:06:55 siraben: looks good to me 07:07:02 This whole migration thing is wrecked the community people should just be free to choose their server if possible 07:07:10 testing 07:07:20 yeah looks a bit delayed 07:07:25 -!- siraben`(~sirabenma@2001:470:69fc:105::5e) has left ##forth 07:07:32 by around a minute 07:07:49 that seems ... long 07:07:56 it was shorter earlier 07:07:56 hopefully they can improve on that 07:08:01 they are still testing 07:08:09 not supposed to be widely known publicly yet 07:08:26 test 07:08:36 ok much better 07:10:02 once more 07:10:22 still delayed a bit, no worries, they're scaling 07:12:22 --- quit: cbridge-freenode (Remote host closed the connection) 07:15:11 Our bridge seems a little inconsistent. 07:15:23 Maybe I need to rejoin ##forth. 07:15:56 Joanna: I guess people ARE free to choose their server, right? 07:18:01 --- join: cbridge-freenode joined #forth 07:23:37 which ever side of the bridge you are on you are in #forth :P 07:23:57 what if you're under the bridge 07:24:03 KipIngram: No, because a ton of mods have banned everyone from joining their channels, and most channels don't have bridges like this 07:24:10 no doing drugz 07:24:24 yea #gentoo is invite only :) 07:24:24 Only trolls live under bridges 07:24:38 and homeless :) 07:25:05 cmtptr, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv2VIEY9-A8 07:25:46 if you make a channel on either network unusable with the intention of directing people to another network, i think you should be considered a squatter and the channel should be disbanded and given to someone else 07:25:59 Yes exactly 07:26:15 Which is why some of the banning and deopping was appropriate 07:26:29 Some of it, I know a lot of people got caught in crossfire 07:26:54 Well I say "a lot", I only know of one case where they weren't being anti-social 07:28:42 mark4: That's how I look at it, but I don't want to miss either side. 07:29:07 It has been hilarious watching a bunch of extremely toxic channels and mods getting behind this like it's some kind of purifier that will wash their sins away (no I will not name the channels :P ) 07:29:20 Oh, you mean that ideall ALL channels would be available on EITHER server. 07:29:25 KipIngram: No need to miss out, you just need to open twice as many channels and join both networks 07:29:37 Yeah, that seems unlikely to happen given the caustic behavior we've seen. 07:29:50 And if that's a pain, then yes... it *is* a pain and it's why I'm grumpy! 07:29:51 Well, but when I do that, veltas, the bridge then pollutes my highmon buffer. 07:30:05 What client? 07:30:11 weechat-curses. 07:30:11 You can often ignore a channel 07:30:19 Yeah, I need to figure that out. 07:30:21 There's probably a pattern for ignoring the channel 07:30:23 It probably will do it. 07:30:30 Yes war has many hidden costs lol 07:30:43 The sinews of war are infinite money 07:30:56 No kidding - and I'm still confused as to why so many people got as upset as they did. 07:31:00 Roll with the flow, man. 07:31:16 I'm not confused, just disappointed 07:31:26 Well, that's a good point. 07:31:37 It was exactly what has become the common behavior these days. 07:31:51 Folks have pretty much zero tolerance with any disagreement whatsoever. 07:31:54 Unhealthy. 07:32:16 I thought it was our differences that make life interesting. 07:32:35 If everyone agreed with me on every little thing, what a boring life that would be. 07:34:10 I don't know about interesting, but if everyone agreed on everything we'd be pretty much guaranteed to all be wrong about everything 07:35:12 Or at least about most things. 07:35:54 I don't know. When I was a kid people who didn't see exactly eye to eye on politics or whatever could still sit down and have a beer. They might quibble over politics while they did, but it was harmless and non-hateful. 07:35:58 We're just lost that. 07:36:53 We've 07:37:33 And the friendships came BEFORE the politics. We just didn't take it so god damn seriously and get all righteous about it like we do these days. 07:37:55 Better times. 07:38:12 If I could hit a rewind button to the 1980's I'd do it in a heartbeat. 07:38:16 I loved the 80's. 07:38:31 Among other things I was in my 20's. :-D 07:39:49 Hey, how to I get my server channel to switch from freenode to libera? 07:40:17 I'm somehow managed it accidentally a couple of times, and the docs SEEM to say it's /server jump libera. That gets accepted without error in my client, but it doesn't put me on libera. 07:40:42 I don't use weechat 07:50:46 --- quit: cbridge-freenode (Remote host closed the connection) 07:56:22 --- join: cbridge-freenode joined #forth 07:56:36 There is no real freedom of choice in most cases 07:57:26 where's the logging at again? 07:57:44 logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN backup at http://forthworks.com/forth/irc-logs/ 07:57:45 I think in general people follow the majority 07:58:20 ok, the forthworks one seems to be more delayed 07:59:24 KipIngram: What I think is that some people enjoy programming people more than they enjoy programming computers 07:59:31 I personally prefer programming computers more 08:00:46 siraben: the forthworks one syncs hourly with clog, unless clog is down, in which case I try to fill in with my personal logs 08:00:55 I see 08:04:25 I've added some logic to the bot to try to detect when one of the connections goes down and restart; hopefully this works 08:13:49 is it two bots or one bot on both servers? 08:21:16 one per server 08:22:37 veltas: That is very well put. 08:27:47 I'm too busy with my own life to fret about how you're living yours. 08:42:26 --- quit: jevinskie[m] (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 08:42:39 --- quit: jimt[m] (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 08:42:49 --- quit: futova (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 08:47:47 Testing something... 08:48:32 Ok, I think I may have highmon straightened out. 08:49:26 But it still picks up my own messages that I send from the unmonitored channel. The bridge copies it to the monitored channel, and it has my nick in it. 08:49:50 So I just need to use #forth for sending my messages, and ##forth to read what's going on when the bridge isn't working. 08:49:54 I think that will work. 09:27:36 --- join: futova joined #forth 09:29:02 So, I ultimately rejected the cuckoo hashing stuff for the block buffers. 09:29:16 Just couldn't get it to coalesce as cleanly as I wanted it to. 09:29:50 Instead, I'm going to use the bottom 8 bits of the block number to select a linked list, and will just put all the blocks that have that bottom 8 bits in that list. 09:30:00 It'll be awfully rare for those lists to get very long anyway. 09:30:09 Still intend to begin with 09:30:21 : block (block) .0>; ... slow stuff ; 09:30:42 with (block) written as a fast assembly routine. If the block is already resident, (block) will find it and return the address. 09:31:09 The default will be to insert new blocks at the front of their lists, but I can write a "hint word" RARE that will let me say 09:31:16 RARE BLOCK ... 09:31:28 and will tell the system to put that one at the back end of its list. 09:31:40 Completely optional little "performance enhancer." 09:32:32 So now I'll have a little 256-byte index table that maps each value of the low 8 bits to a "first item" in the buffer pool, and I can have any number of buffers I want. 09:36:00 --- join: jevinskie[m] joined #forth 09:36:00 --- join: jimt[m] joined #forth 09:49:56 --- quit: Bogen85 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:50:24 --- join: Bogen85 joined #forth 10:08:48 --- quit: Joanna (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 11:02:21 --- mode: ChanServ set +v mark4 12:35:53 -!- szarka(~szarka@2001-48F8-9004-74-99EC-A921-DEDB-3553-dynamic.midco.net) has left ##forth 13:00:33 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14:15:20 --- join: Joanna joined #forth 14:57:40 maw 15:03:16 hi 15:03:38 maw dave0 15:10:54 maw crc 15:44:05 --- quit: cbridge-freenode (Remote host closed the connection) 15:44:17 --- join: cbridge-freenode joined #forth 15:44:49 Looks like the auto restart process worked :) 17:12:54 --- quit: xek (Remote host closed the connection) 17:15:06 --- join: xek joined #forth 17:32:08 --- quit: proteus-guy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:45:12 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 18:31:53 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18:32:11 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 18:32:49 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 18:46:39 --- quit: mark4 (Remote host closed the connection) 18:47:00 --- join: mark4 joined #forth 18:48:49 --- part: Joanna left #forth 19:11:11 --- quit: sts-q (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19:20:06 --- join: sts-q joined #forth 19:30:59 --- quit: Keshl_ (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 19:58:54 --- quit: xek (Remote host closed the connection) 20:00:53 --- join: xek joined #forth 21:02:29 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 23:02:32 --- quit: wineroots (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:19:11 -!- ron34(~ron34@en-cc-linux12.coecis.cornell.edu) has left ##forth 23:20:47 --- join: wineroots joined #forth 23:21:28 --- mode: ChanServ set +v mark4 23:44:24 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 23:47:03 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23:47:03 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 23:58:10 --- join: Joanna joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/21.05.27