00:00:00 --- log: started forth/20.11.07 00:06:24 --- quit: _whitelogger (Remote host closed the connection) 00:09:23 --- join: _whitelogger joined #forth 00:18:12 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 00:18:37 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 00:45:24 --- quit: _whitelogger (Remote host closed the connection) 00:46:18 ""HTML exists only between Googles Servers and[ Googles Chrome, your] Web Browser. "" ( https://drewdevault.com/2020/10/22/Firefox-the-embarassment-of-FOSS.html ) 00:48:09 siraben: Yes, I use AVRs, but just to practice. 00:48:23 --- join: _whitelogger joined #forth 00:51:48 DKordic: unfortunate state of affairs, I wonder if Gemini could catch on. 00:52:04 Also a more decentralized web would be nice 00:52:16 DKordic: I see. What do you make of the instruction set so far? Is it nice? 01:41:01 siraben: IMHO good. Perhaps the best part of AVR is its simplicity and its documentation. But if You are starting now, I gues You may as well start with ARM Cortex-M0+ ( https://developer.arm.com/ip-products/processors/cortex-m/cortex-m0-plus ) and STM32 . 01:41:37 DKordic: starting what now? 01:42:06 Ooh haven't used the M0+ processor before. 01:42:14 I've only done Z80 and ARM really 01:42:46 IMHO Gemini is not even worth mention. I do not anything interesting from it. Perhaps the Unhosted.org Community? 01:47:51 I am very excited by PIC32. I can't say AVR ISA is any interesting. 01:48:03 What's interesting about PIC32? 01:48:45 Straightforward IMHO. 01:49:35 I am not recomending it, just my favourite :3 . 01:50:22 What do You have in mind with AVR? 01:53:54 --- join: proteusguy joined #forth 01:54:34 Don't have much in mind of AVR right now. I've just been experimenting with cross-compilation using Nix recently and the toolchain for Z80 is non-existent. 01:54:38 s/of/for 01:55:00 DKordic: However I saw AVR had GCC support _and_ it was 8-bit, which is interesting. 01:55:18 Example of cross-compiling to AVR easily with Nix; https://github.com/cleverca22/thermostat_firmware/blob/master/default.nix 01:55:56 Its more like AVR is a Serial Flash Memory with a CPU as a peripheral rather than the other way arround. 01:56:25 What do you mean by that? Is it read-only? 01:58:45 IMHO it's main functionality is Flash Memory. No, it can be written at run-time. ""Application"" and ""Boot" Flash regions even work in parallel. 01:59:45 Ah I see. 02:00:34 DKordic: have you heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMIX ? 02:01:40 Turns out GCC supports it as a target, and so you could cross-compile programs to it (though quite a few functions in newlib for MMIX are missing) 02:08:59 I don't see how could I possibly care about MMIX. 02:11:15 I don't like AVR-GCC to say the least. 02:12:31 AVR-GCC is not far from Arduino and it's glorious ""digitalWrite""!! 02:25:46 Little practice with AVR convinced me that indeed ""C(11) is a PDP(11) assembly"". All C(11) implementations that I am aware of are as ID10Tic as the language itself. 02:27:05 Take a look at the ""Zen of Python"". 02:28:21 ALGOL for the sake of ALGOL. 02:28:48 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 04:44:45 pic32 stuff is interesting especially if you like throughhole parts 04:45:09 its the fastest thing by a long shot 04:52:23 --- join: WilhelmVonWeiner joined #forth 04:56:45 --- quit: imode (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05:28:26 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:37:39 DKordic: i only was interested a bit in MMIX since it's the successor to MIX, the language in Knuth's The Art of Computer Programing. 05:49:44 --- quit: dave0 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:55:00 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 06:05:02 --- join: Labu joined #forth 06:09:48 MrMobius: What do You mean DIP IC package? This https://www.olimex.com/dev/pic32-hmz144.html is even better. 06:10:33 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 06:41:49 --- join: marksmith joined #forth 06:46:20 --- quit: marksmith (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07:01:28 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 07:02:57 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07:02:58 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 07:14:44 --- join: Gromboli joined #forth 08:00:28 Yes. A Turing Tarpit. ""splits can be lumped more easily than lumps can be split"" (W:Code_refactoring). Like Integer Factorization? 08:01:51 I meant '##lisp/in' :3 . 08:58:41 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08:58:44 --- join: [1]MrMobius joined #forth 08:58:59 --- nick: [1]MrMobius -> MrMobius 09:12:32 --- quit: jedb (Remote host closed the connection) 09:12:45 --- join: jedb joined #forth 09:19:54 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 09:21:26 --- join: MrMobius joined #forth 09:28:38 DKordic, definitely dont mean that. you can stick breadboard pins on almost anything :P 09:39:00 --- join: imode joined #forth 09:47:15 --- join: marksmith joined #forth 10:00:35 --- quit: marksmith (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10:44:44 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 10:45:20 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 10:45:46 --- join: kamid joined #forth 11:10:16 --- join: marksmith joined #forth 11:19:03 --- quit: marksmith (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11:46:18 --- join: TCZ joined #forth 13:07:08 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 13:12:21 --- quit: TCZ (Quit: Leaving) 13:25:51 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 14:00:53 --- join: Zarutian_HTC joined #forth 14:06:34 --- join: Zarutian_HTC1 joined #forth 14:06:48 --- quit: Zarutian_HTC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:07:28 --- nick: Zarutian_HTC1 -> Zarutian_HTC 14:42:53 --- join: TCZ joined #forth 14:49:27 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 15:51:10 --- quit: TCZ (Quit: Leaving) 16:31:15 --- join: zge joined #forth 16:45:54 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 17:05:11 --- join: proteusguy joined #forth 18:43:23 --- quit: Labu (Quit: Leaving.) 18:43:55 --- join: boru` joined #forth 18:43:58 --- quit: boru (Disconnected by services) 18:44:00 --- nick: boru` -> boru 18:53:07 --- join: zge_ joined #forth 18:55:10 --- join: Labu joined #forth 18:56:12 --- quit: zge (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 19:25:11 --- quit: Labu (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20:19:56 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 20:35:29 --- quit: sts-q (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20:37:35 --- quit: Zarutian_HTC (Remote host closed the connection) 20:42:24 --- quit: _whitelogger (Remote host closed the connection) 20:45:23 --- join: _whitelogger joined #forth 20:47:26 --- join: sts-q joined #forth 21:09:21 --- quit: Gromboli (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:55:59 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22:01:50 --- join: X-Scale joined #forth 23:48:24 --- quit: _whitelogger (Remote host closed the connection) 23:48:29 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 23:51:23 --- join: _whitelogger joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/20.11.07