00:00:00 --- log: started forth/20.07.22 02:01:54 --- log: started forth/20.07.22 02:01:54 --- join: clog joined #forth 02:01:54 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN backup at http://forthworks.com/forth/irc-logs/ | If you have two (or more) stacks and speak RPN then you're welcome here! | https://github.com/mark4th' 02:01:54 --- topic: set by proteusguy!~proteusgu@cm-58-10-208-146.revip7.asianet.co.th on [Mon Dec 30 10:43:28 2019] 02:01:54 --- names: list (clog +proteusguy C-Keen xek gravicappa Zarutian_HTC longname dave0 jsoft boru MrMobius Lord_Nightmare iyzsong proteus-guy _whitelogger X-Scale djinni jedb cheers Keshl remexre jackdaniel elioat catern APic Croran bluekelp cmtptr alexshpilkin pointfree mjl patrickg tolja kori cantstanya phadthai lonjil ovf crest dys Vedran guan rpcope rann siraben jimt[m] Blue_flame dzho rprimus WilhelmVonWeiner neuro_sys pareidolia cp- heredoc +crc Chobbes klys presiden) 02:01:54 --- names: list (tangentstorm arrdem nmz a3f routeveg kvik ornxka_ DKordic veltas diginet2 fiddlerwoaroof +KipIngram jn__ ecraven irsol Kumool koisoke) 02:19:58 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 02:24:47 --- join: spoofer joined #forth 02:58:56 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 03:02:00 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03:02:00 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 03:06:56 --- quit: spoofer (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 03:13:32 --- join: spoofer joined #forth 04:02:52 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 04:03:20 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04:30:32 --- quit: gravicappa (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:34:18 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 05:42:18 --- quit: alexshpilkin (Remote host closed the connection) 05:42:18 --- quit: siraben (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:42:18 --- quit: jimt[m] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:42:19 --- quit: Blue_flame (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:46:29 --- join: alexshpilkin joined #forth 05:54:59 --- join: jimt[m] joined #forth 05:54:59 --- join: siraben joined #forth 05:54:59 --- join: Blue_flame joined #forth 06:26:24 --- join: xek joined #forth 06:52:15 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 07:05:34 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07:27:45 --- quit: gravicappa (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:32:41 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 07:49:10 --- join: xek joined #forth 08:13:38 --- quit: proteus-guy (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 08:15:39 --- join: shynoob joined #forth 08:26:19 --- quit: Zarutian_HTC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 08:54:07 --- join: Zarutian_HTC joined #forth 09:08:48 --- quit: shynoob (Remote host closed the connection) 09:18:06 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:32:34 --- join: shynoob joined #forth 09:46:31 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 10:02:24 --- part: shynoob left #forth 11:09:26 --- quit: spoofer (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11:14:34 --- join: spoofer joined #forth 11:44:46 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 11:49:38 --- join: xek joined #forth 11:59:26 --- join: reepca joined #forth 12:11:45 --- quit: cantstanya (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:44:36 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 13:31:02 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 13:43:28 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: leaving) 14:19:11 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14:21:39 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 14:40:03 --- join: TheCephalopod joined #forth 14:40:08 Hey 14:40:14 --- nick: TheCephalopod -> john_cephalopoda 16:36:20 --- join: TheCephalopod joined #forth 16:39:41 --- quit: john_cephalopoda (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16:40:18 --- part: longname left #forth 16:56:54 --- quit: TheCephalopod (Quit: Leaving) 17:23:56 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18:10:08 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18:13:09 --- join: boru` joined #forth 18:13:11 --- quit: boru (Disconnected by services) 18:13:14 --- nick: boru` -> boru 19:36:36 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 19:56:57 --- join: jedb_ joined #forth 19:59:06 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20:01:51 --- join: jedb__ joined #forth 20:04:47 --- quit: jedb_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20:47:47 --- join: shynoob joined #forth 20:48:52 MrMobius, hey 20:49:33 hey 20:52:58 I uhh had a desire to build games.. but I searched about the process.. and the complaints of creating and maintaining a game.. was quite a thing.. and the guys I used to hang out with .. used to prefer to work at lower level of abstraction.. since that would mean more power.. coz more control.. so I was just inclined to build games from scratch 20:52:58 instead of using existing game engines.. and since I was gonna go that route.. figured if I am gonna do everything myself.. why stick with C or C++ ... so was checking out new languages I could start my journey on.. would be nice for a lifelong quest I suppose, MrMobius 20:56:27 but I understand there are so many choices to make.. and I was looking for efficient as well as powerful languages.. with which I had finer degree of control on what I want to do with my computer.. I came across ATS, Zim, Rust, D, and many more.. Forth seemed simpler... but I still am not sure.. if its plausible for me to do that 20:57:48 it would be a hell of a big project to dedicated upon.. I just want to do build multiple games.. hoping making first game.. would give me enough confidence.. and help me speed thru the process again... 20:58:28 sure it doesnt work like going thru a tutorial.. just the context and experience might help with the intuition and choices .. I'll make for further games 20:58:46 are you in the games industry too? MrMobius, 21:02:32 --- quit: Zarutian_HTC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:38:57 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21:51:27 --- join: proteusguy joined #forth 21:51:27 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 22:06:13 shynoob, interesting. was curious mainly because people dont come to forth when they want to make a game 22:06:34 nah, Im not in the games industry 22:07:08 why dont you try making a really simple game first? 22:07:27 I made a 2d game with pygame and python. it was very easy to get working 22:07:38 --- quit: reepca (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22:15:37 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 22:16:14 you mean a simple game with forth? 22:16:24 or just with anything? 22:23:53 shynoob, well preferably forth since this is the forth channel. ;-) 22:24:05 ofc :D 22:32:41 --- quit: rpcope (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 22:34:14 shynoob, yes, if youre interested in forth there are very simple games you could work on 22:35:06 but if youre interested in making games, even 2d stuff, you should try Python at first then move to C/C++ eventually if you still want to make your own engine 22:35:18 of C# if you find and engine that uses that. I think Unity does 22:37:44 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22:38:01 --- join: rpcope joined #forth 22:38:38 --- join: proteusguy joined #forth 22:38:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 22:41:00 I am interested in Forth.. lets see 22:41:24 thanks for the advice 22:42:02 I'll check out what I can do with forth first 22:43:12 each language has its strengths so forth has its strengths 22:43:17 but making games is not one of them 22:43:35 making DSL is one of them tho? 22:43:57 you can see how far you get. hopefully it will be interesting and youll learn a lot even if you dont end up with a game 22:44:22 hm 22:45:43 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 23:04:36 --- join: proteusguy joined #forth 23:04:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 23:15:26 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:18:22 --- join: proteusguy joined #forth 23:18:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 23:30:34 --- join: Zarutian_HTC joined #forth 23:50:07 shynoob: Welcome. IMHO changing a language because of a lack of some lib is ID10Tic. I am dissapointed by the advices... that has been thrown at You. 23:51:35 thanks but they just probably wished I could get started and done with stuff faster... without getting dragged into stuff much.. 23:53:28 I just felt it wont make a difference and could be efficien in the longer run if I stick with Forth 23:55:14 You've been discussing this for days now. 23:55:48 If you're unwilling to listen to people's advice, why not just start your project and find out whether Forth is suitable or not. 23:55:51 yeah I guess..was just taking my own time... 23:56:06 I've been reading too 23:56:27 That's a good start. 23:57:08 But don't get design paralysis; sometimes some prototyping is useful to assert whether something is feasible or not. 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/20.07.22