00:00:00 --- log: started forth/20.03.20 00:50:46 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 00:57:21 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 00:57:21 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00:58:12 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 02:28:41 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 02:29:53 --- join: xek joined #forth 02:54:09 --- join: Bunny351 joined #forth 03:01:43 --- quit: WickedShell (Remote host closed the connection) 03:39:43 --- quit: cartwright (Remote host closed the connection) 03:42:07 --- join: cartwright joined #forth 05:22:35 --- quit: iyzsong (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 06:13:10 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 07:00:37 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07:17:00 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 07:50:24 --- quit: dave0 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07:50:33 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 12:01:43 --- quit: Lord_Nightmare (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 12:06:23 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12:06:30 --- join: Lord_Nightmare joined #forth 12:18:13 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 12:36:33 --- quit: Mellowlink (Remote host closed the connection) 12:37:38 --- join: Mellowlink joined #forth 13:19:33 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13:21:13 --- join: WickedShell joined #forth 14:01:35 --- quit: Mellowlink (Remote host closed the connection) 14:02:21 --- join: Mellowlink joined #forth 14:57:16 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:04:25 --- quit: CORDIC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16:25:37 --- join: nonlinear[m]1 joined #forth 16:25:49 --- quit: nonlinear[m] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16:38:01 --- quit: bluekelp (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16:38:10 --- join: bluekelp joined #forth 16:55:12 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19:04:56 --- quit: bluekelp (Quit: leaving) 19:05:06 --- join: bluekelp joined #forth 19:15:14 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 19:26:52 hey guys 19:40:57 hey tabemann 19:42:15 I'm starting to write some docs for zeptoforth 19:42:21 right now I have a README file 19:42:32 that basically explains how to assemble and load it 19:42:54 it explains the use of e4thcom and why screen sucks 19:42:55 perfect! thats the most important doc 19:44:06 screen doesnt suck, it's the only system I'll use 19:44:38 https://github.com/tabemann/zeptoforth/blob/master/README.md 19:44:39 e4thcom is a much better choice for new forthers tho, ... if they use Linux 19:45:00 I've only gotten screen to work when using slowpaste 19:46:09 and that definitely sucks 19:46:13 whereas I've found ACK/NAK (not XON/XOFF) works very well with e4thcom 19:46:22 the purpose of NAK being to indicate an error 19:46:32 nice doc, the next one should be the Wordlist ? 19:46:47 yep 19:46:55 the only thing is how do I organize it 19:47:06 since a lot of important core words aren't in the kernel 19:47:07 but ack and nak are the Xon/Xoff control data ? 19:47:21 ack and nak aren't xon and xoff 19:47:35 ack indicates readiness to receive data, in this case one line of data 19:47:39 nak indicates error 19:47:51 xon indicates start, xoff indicates stop 19:47:56 I've known that since 1985 :) 19:48:11 there are no xon/off characters tho 19:48:24 only ack and nak 19:48:32 there are unofficial charactes that have been taken to be xon and xoff 19:48:50 and have become an unofficial standard 19:49:04 hmm, maybe thats why my xon/xoff attempt didnt work ? 19:49:36 e4thcom supports ack/nak if you put it in "noforth" mode 19:49:46 which is what I'm using 19:49:56 I understand 19:50:02 --- join: boru` joined #forth 19:50:05 --- quit: boru (Disconnected by services) 19:50:08 --- nick: boru` -> boru 19:50:46 bbiab 19:50:51 no problemo 20:06:40 back 20:06:52 welcome back! 20:07:20 ill have to revisit my failed xon/xoff test now :) 20:08:13 I spent quite a while on my stack comments yesterday and have improved their auto generation substantially 20:15:29 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 20:16:04 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 21:03:09 --- quit: WickedShell (Remote host closed the connection) 21:06:22 cool 21:09:24 --- join: Zarutian_HTC joined #forth 21:10:22 * Zarutian_HTC havent been here for, it feels like, bloody forever 21:37:27 --- join: rdrop-exit joined #forth 21:37:46 0 shadow ASCII - Control Character Constants 21:37:47 1 21:37:47 2 +---+---+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+--+---+---+--+--+--+---+ 21:37:47 3 |^@ |^A |^B |^C |^D |^E |^F |^G |^H |^I|^J |^K |^L|^M|^N|^O | 21:37:47 4 |00 |01 |02 |03 |04 |05 |06 |07 |08 |09|0a |0b |0c|0d|0e|0f | 21:37:49 5 |nul|soh|stx|etx |eot|enq|ack|bel|bs |ht|lf |vt |ff|cr|so|si | 21:37:51 6 +---+---+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+--+---+---+--+--+--+---+ 21:37:54 7 |^P |^Q |^R |^S |^T |^U |^V |^W |^X |^Y|^Z |^[ |^\|^]|^^|^_ | 21:37:56 8 |10 |11 |12 |13 |14 |15 |16 |17 |18 |19|1a |1b |1c|1d|1e|1f | 21:37:59 9 |dle|dc1|dc2|dc3 |dc4|nak|syn|etb|can|em|sub|esc|fs|gs|rs|us | 21:38:02 a | |xon| |xoff| | | | | | | | | | | | | 21:38:04 b +---+---+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+--+---+---+--+--+--+---+ 21:38:07 c |^? | 21:38:09 d |7f | 21:38:12 e |del| 21:38:14 --- quit: Bunny351 (Remote host closed the connection) 21:38:14 f +---+ 21:38:45 although xon and xoff aren't official ASCII, they're almost universally assigned to ^Q and ^S 21:38:52 --- join: Bunny351 joined #forth 21:42:08 back 21:42:11 In Unix they can be enabled/disabled with the IXOFF IXON terminal mode control flags 21:42:12 hey rdrop-exit 21:42:19 hi tabemann 21:42:50 * tabemann is working on docs 21:43:08 I've got docs written for all the words one really cares about in the zeptoforth kernel 21:43:16 the assigned characters can be changed with c_cc[VSTART] and c_cc[VSTOP] 21:43:26 i.e. not the assembler words, various internal words, or the exceptions 21:44:04 kudos tabemann 21:44:10 they're very basic docs though 21:44:22 just the name of the word and the stack signature 21:44:40 I'm going to go back and actually add meanings later 21:45:05 docs are a lot of work 21:45:41 if you scroll back in the history, I posted about xon/xoff 21:46:29 I saw 21:46:42 cool 21:47:38 lunch is on the table, catch you later, stay healthy 21:47:47 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 22:01:57 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 22:26:58 Zarutian_HTC, welcome back! we were worried you had frozen into the ice in your northern wastelands! 22:27:55 tp: it is more of a slush at this time of year 22:28:37 Zarutian_HTC, yes, it's the end of your summer now ? 22:29:31 tp: nope, nearing the start of spring 22:29:51 Zarutian_HTC, I surmised that the ice was melting and you had thawed out enough to type ? 22:31:34 tp: well, you see how non-glacial my response are 22:31:49 Zarutian_HTC, I do! 22:32:26 Zarutian_HTC, how was your winter ? our summer was hell this year 22:33:45 tp: lesse one major storm that affected infrastructure in the northen parts 22:34:42 tp: at least two more that one would not be cought outside in 22:35:25 Zarutian_HTC, did you get a chance to do any Forth of late ? 22:35:58 tp: one snow avalance obliterating a harbour and a few small ships in it 22:35:59 29,93 C / 85,77 F at my desk right now, 1635 hrs in NSW, australia 22:36:29 Zarutian_HTC, thats amazing as I live in a snow and ice free, flat land 22:37:05 I believe in a flat Australia but a round world 22:37:54 week before this one an earth quake big enough to be felt in the capital area 22:38:25 Zarutian_HTC, perhaps it was just some ice flow breaking ? 22:40:07 tp: nope it was due to earth bedrock resettling due to earlier magma collection under a small part of the Reykjanes penisula 22:40:46 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22:40:56 this country is geologically after all 22:41:01 Zarutian_HTC, you get all the excitement, we just get heat and smoke! 22:41:09 active* 22:42:02 Zarutian_HTC, Iceland does sound very interesting 22:44:02 oh yeah a local trumpster not only managed to get drunk and steal a cement truck but most likely he is the arsonist behind a fire of a downtown bar 22:44:55 tp: at least there are no polarbears here like on Svalbard 22:45:02 that's the way! we never have anything interesting like that! 22:45:41 some of those bears have been found out to be bi possibly due to pollution 22:46:12 Zarutian_HTC, I looked thru Google photos of your area after we last spoke here, it seemed very isolated 22:46:33 tp: what do you mean? i thought australia had lots of murderous fauna 22:47:50 Zarutian_HTC, only snakes and spiders really, nothing big but Dingos (like a dog) but they dont attack people 22:48:11 the weather is very dangerous because of the lack of water and the heat 22:48:51 tp: depends on where. The capital area is quite relativly nonisolated 22:49:13 Zarutian_HTC, Icelanders who have offended Odin have to come to Australia to stay after they die 22:50:20 tp: and escape the wet and cold misery? prepostourus 22:51:29 haha 22:52:14 how far to Svalbard for you ? 22:52:31 tough honestly I could do without any more ash erruptions 22:53:03 quite the distance really 22:53:09 ouch, volcanic ash is bad! 22:53:30 we had months of smoke, but that was just burning trees 22:53:52 and there is no direct flight nor ferry between Iceland and Svalbard 22:54:15 no silicon to tear up our lungs, just carcinogenic tree smoke 22:54:43 * tabemann extracted the comments from much of his Forth code to produce docs 22:55:01 we had hundreds of fires burning for months, and no water to put them out 22:55:03 unlike the kernel docs, most of it actually says (basically) what it does 22:55:22 tabemann, excellent 22:55:51 (I omitted the words that I viewed as being internal) 22:55:54 the silica settled out quite quickly after the last erruption ended but man the stuff is nasty on equipment 22:56:20 Zarutian_HTC, I prefer tree smoke :) 22:56:47 why does Australia even have stuff to burn left 22:57:06 it seems as if Australia is constantly aflame 22:57:55 tp: saw the aftermath of one compressor cooling unit getting clogged with the stuff 22:59:49 tabemann: well there are a few politicans that might work as fuel 22:59:58 tabemann, the areas are so vast 23:00:19 Zarutian_HTC, yuk, I can believe it 23:01:11 tp: how was it. After two hours drive out of a city you arent in the next one just two hours outside it 23:01:23 Zarutian_HTC, i had a lot of problems with silicon dust here for a few years 23:02:18 Zarutian_HTC, there was a 'sand blasting' company next door and clouds of fine sand would blow everywhere 23:03:09 tp: the description of the aftermath on thay unit was something on the lines of „anally sandblasted“ 23:03:33 surely you mean silica dust, not silicon dust ;) having problems with silicon dust would be, well, weird 23:03:51 tabemann, yes of course, my mistake 23:04:49 tabemann: you know like you get in filesystems on flashdrives 23:05:08 Zarutian_HTC, yes silica dust is very hard and sharp 23:06:12 tp: not to mention electro statically nasty 23:07:21 okay, I'm gonna head off to bed 23:07:23 Zarutian_HTC, i didnt know that 23:07:24 g'night guys 23:07:30 night-o tabemann 23:08:19 Zarutian_HTC, I'm off for a while myself, thanks for the chat! 23:09:01 tp: at least the ash kind. Fried a board in externally housed UPS for one ofvhe datacenters here 23:09:26 good night 23:19:25 --- quit: cartwright (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:19:25 --- quit: Mellowlink (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:42:08 --- join: Mellowlink joined #forth 23:43:50 --- join: cartwright joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/20.03.20