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There are plenty of people doing audio using solderless breadboards, though obviously it makes much more sense to solder kit once you have a decent design. 14:03:32 --- join: jedb_ joined #forth 14:05:26 I took a closer look at Eurorack, and the costs are considerably lower then my initial estimates. Frequency Control will sell you boards and panels for their excellent Product synth, based on Roland 100m and Moog designs from the early eighties, at affordable prices. It's all throughhole soldering and the boards aren't crowded. They also sell a Eurorack power supply system complete with a busboard for £60 fully assembled, or 14:06:23 --- quit: jedb__ (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 14:11:35 But I was pretty impressed at the sheer quantity of high quality VCO and filter stuff you could knock up on a breadboard. The ubiquitous 555 timer can even be built into a very good VCO, albeit with a rather higher component count than if you go for a monolithic VCO chip like the legendary CEM3340. 14:15:28 Trouble with monolithic is that, although it's what I want to build with, it wouldn't make much of an electronics project for a youngster. Most of the wiring is just pots, trimmers, sockets and toggles. So I'm dropping the breadboard approach. There are already a lot of tone generators and ladder filters based on 555s and they're much better for educational purposes. 14:18:18 The key advantage of going monolithic with the 3340 was that Doug Curtis was able to eliminate the temperature instability issues from the analogue VCO design, making for a more reliable synth engine. 14:31:23 Something to do with thermally linked matched transistors is the signal conditioning phase where a linear voltage (1V/octave, typically) needs to be turned into a current and exponentiated to tell the VCO the exact frequency required. 14:33:30 Obviously rather sensitive. I wonder if anybody ever tried using thermionic valves (aka vacuum tubes) to do that job. Valves may take a few seconds to heat up but after that you don't get any thermal runaway. 14:38:43 --- quit: Lord_Nightmare (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 14:42:59 --- join: Lord_Nightmare joined #forth 15:44:11 --- quit: Tony_Sidaway (Quit: Tony_Sidaway) 16:50:11 --- join: crab1 joined #forth 16:50:21 Hiya 16:51:39 How are my fellow forthers tonight 16:52:06 heyhey crab1 16:52:39 I've decided to use plan9port acme again, we'll see how it goes 16:52:58 and I've switched my irc client to ircII 16:54:09 33,75 C 16:54:09 92,86 F @ midday 16:54:24 warm 16:54:35 predicted to hit 36C 16:55:04 -2 F here = ~-20C 16:55:18 I cranked out another Forth doc lat night, it's a timing library 16:55:36 timing library for what 16:55:44 https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/systick-library.html 16:56:00 general timing requirements 16:56:27 measure elapsed time, delay for a accurate time etc 16:57:00 general timing requirements 16:57:00 measure elapsed time, delay for a accurate time etc 16:57:07 oops lol 16:57:14 no problemo 16:58:27 it utilises the cortex-m 'systick' system timer and a interrupt 16:58:46 Its pretty handy, I use it a fair bit 16:59:07 have you tested its acuuracy? 17:01:31 sure 17:01:55 it's as accurate as the clock, which is crystal in my cas 17:01:58 e 17:02:23 it's far more accurate than a do-loop delay 17:02:44 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 17:02:51 what's its precision? 17:03:21 same as the crystal +- some digital lsb stuff I guess 17:03:37 it's only a 1ms timer 17:03:59 I can easily do 0.1ms with a 72MHz clock 17:04:16 even 1uS at 72MHz 17:05:01 lets just say that it's plenty for anything a mcu is likely to drive in my industrial control world 17:05:50 if you want better, you need something with a crystal in a temperature reglulated oven, or something with a isotope 17:06:29 I don't think that's necessary, I was just curious 17:08:17 accuracy is pretty much controlled by the source of the clock, with a stm32 it can be the internal 8MHz RC oscillator, but thats not very good 17:08:38 a xtal is cheap and the best stability for money 17:09:07 what is xtal 17:09:41 a piezoelectric crystal 17:10:09 the most common clock source ... forever 17:10:36 I have hand ground piezoelectric crystals here in vacuum tubes, made during WW2 17:10:50 theyre pretty interesting 17:11:35 how does pressure create an electrical signal 17:13:49 Wait wouldn't that make those crystals work as microphones 17:14:46 yes and yes 17:15:43 i have no idea why they do what they do, but I guarantee they do it 17:16:08 piezoelectric crystals are literally found in thousands of devices thesedays 17:16:26 thousands of different devices 17:16:36 there is one in every smartwatch 17:17:06 I need more physics and chemistry knowledge, if you understand all this shit you could make some crazy stuff 17:17:22 I do and I do 17:17:25 :) 17:17:36 yeah apparently even lighters use these crystals 17:17:37 they were making crazy stuff in the 40's 17:17:41 yep 17:18:01 car wheel balancers, untrasonic cleaners 17:18:13 underwater 'gps' systems 17:18:54 acoustic 17:19:00 I have thousands of xtals in my stock 17:19:05 yep 17:19:13 acoustic guitar pickups* 17:19:28 need to get used to this client still :) 17:19:29 for nylon strings sure 17:19:53 steel strings use a magnetic pickup I believe, but I dont do audio 17:20:55 i think that piezoelectric crystals are one of the electronic worlds most used devices 17:22:27 Here says that piezoelectric pickups can be used on both, just with different resulting sounds 17:23:07 and they use them for cello, violin, etc. too 17:23:26 now how to make own piezoelectric sensors 17:24:52 first you need a piezo material 17:25:00 maybe I can stick one to my cieling and listen to my neighbors walking around :) 17:25:06 then shape it etc 17:25:12 sure 17:25:55 the main issue is that piezo is ceramic, to attach wires they generally 'metalize' two sides 17:26:34 this involves coating the sides with some kind of metal via vacuum deposition I guess 17:27:02 so while you can do it yourself it's a bit specialised, easier to buy one for $0.50 17:27:43 I guess they probably have them at any electronics store 17:28:32 theyre everywhere 17:28:43 in all shapes and sizes 17:31:47 apparently even d 17:31:55 DNA is piezoelectric 17:32:13 Hello peoples 17:32:24 What the left testicle is going on today? 17:32:49 discovering physical phenomena I should have known of years ago 17:33:04 crab1, whats that then 17:33:40 piezoelectric crystals 17:33:42 how is the jsofticle today ? 17:34:12 crab1, oh right 17:34:16 crab1, weird aye 17:34:21 tpbsd, hehe 17:34:24 tpbsd, yeah nah good aye 17:34:58 tpbsd, still putting maximum effort into avoiding writing this C code :D 17:35:05 tpbsd, how's about yourself? 17:35:09 yes quite weird 17:35:14 crab1, for the last 23725 days I rekon Ive learned something new, it's very common 17:35:42 jsoft, I've been a human cyclone of Forth code generation lately 17:36:02 tpbsd, what ya been making ? 17:36:20 tpbsd: as far as steel-stringed acoustics, it appears that most musicians prefer piezoelectric pickups as magnetic pickups end up sounding very electric even on an acoustic instrument 17:36:55 https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/ihex-32bit.html#ihex32 and https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/systick-library.html 17:37:11 crab1, sounds fair :) 17:37:53 jsoft, today I'm working on a easy Xon/Xoff method of handshaking to use with Mecrisp-Stellaris 17:38:02 "When projects are built using the non-interactive C Programming Language" do I detect a hint of bias there? :D 17:38:39 nope, none 17:39:35 I like how you are documenting all the things there tpbsd 17:39:50 jsoft, Im a C user myself 17:40:21 tpbsd, I just read it with your previous comments about C in mind, and found it funny :D 17:40:28 jsoft, michalangelo left paintings, I'm leaving Forth docs 17:41:00 jsoft, humour is good, it helps to keep us sane 17:41:54 You like bill burr? 17:41:55 jsoft, I once thought C was the answer for embedded, but there were many aspects of it I was unhappy about 17:42:13 jsoft, I've heard the name, not sure who he is 17:42:18 tpbsd, I half wish I did not use forth until after I have finished this current project 17:42:30 jsoft, hahah, life is like that 17:42:52 It is so TEDIOUS doing the C development cycle now 17:43:05 it sure is 17:43:46 thats the subject of a page I'll be publishing soon 17:43:58 tpbsd, lol no doubt, please let me know when it's there 17:44:09 jsoft, sure 17:44:28 Is it up yet? 17:44:41 it's a comparison of timings to produce a blinky in arduino vs Forth 17:44:43 hahah 17:44:51 on stm32 / 17:44:52 ? 17:45:31 yes arduino in both cases 17:45:35 oops 17:45:41 yes stm32 in both cases 17:45:59 I am guessing it would be quite similar 17:46:13 a arduino user kindly published his timings online 17:46:26 Wait, timings ? 17:46:26 youll have to wait until it's finished :) 17:46:33 What do you mean timings 17:46:42 yeah, time to flash, upload, compile etc 17:47:02 Oh right 17:47:16 when I first looked at Forth I was using GCC,openocd, GDB etc 17:47:37 i've never used GDB 17:47:43 and I decided that if the Forth dev cycle wasnt as fast or faster, I wouldnt be using Forth 17:47:53 I have many times 17:47:58 Ahh but I have not 17:48:16 Is it actually semi intuitive ? For stm32 stuff? 17:48:34 I have a single shell script that does everything to start a GDB session if you want it 17:48:40 hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha 17:48:51 intuitive ???? NFW 17:48:59 Right, prolly why I did not use it then 17:49:03 it's like learning morse code 17:49:30 I remember dicking with it ages ago, like people were all 'oh herpy derp derp you gotta use GDB' and I was all 'ok.. nah' but could not remember why 17:49:35 GDB is MASSIVE and takes months, years to become familiar with 17:49:39 = why I have never touched gdb 17:49:46 Yeah fuck that off. 17:49:50 For what ? 17:49:59 there are ways to make it easier 17:50:12 printf, led blinks, scope, etc 17:50:29 well hard or not. GDB offers stuff I could only dream about for 20 years of embedded 17:51:14 jsoft, those ways are very limited and simplistic 17:51:46 *shrug* depends where you put the blinky/printf :D 17:52:02 GDB using SWD or JTAG can read and modify CPU registers *between* clock cycles, totally transparently to the cpu 17:52:26 jsoft, youre a troglodyte 17:52:27 tpbsd, ok thats pretty flash 17:52:49 jsoft, it's legendary, and free 17:53:06 but it does require a lot of knowledge, practice, setup etc 17:53:07 I still suspect it would just be a pain in the ass for 99% of the things I do 17:53:18 jsoft, and youd be 100% 17:53:21 ... right 17:53:49 Forth interactivity is all we need for 99.9% of all design and debugging 17:53:59 Yeah that shit is magic 17:54:13 it's SO MUCH EASIER!!! 17:54:34 I don't know how many times now, during debug cycles.. I wish I could just alter a wee thing, and re-run a function without restarting the whole shitfight again 17:54:42 plus, some issues are very hard to solve with either method 17:55:06 jsoft, exactly, thats the non interactivity of C 17:55:35 jsoft, plus, the system of Forth you use is actually pretty basic and slow, even tho you probably dont realise it yet 17:55:36 Yeah. Its to the point where I will be specifically using stm32 chips in the future, for the sole purpose of using forth 17:55:51 slow? 17:56:00 I did not find it slow 17:56:05 yeah, your uploads crawl 17:56:11 Oh right that part 17:56:15 Meh 17:56:15 --- join: rdrop-exit joined #forth 17:56:17 I know ... you *think* it's fast 17:56:39 it's not, but it's ok, probably equal to a well set up C with GDB 17:56:50 I dunno. 17:56:59 Im not saying it sucks, it's pretty darn good 17:56:59 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17:57:11 Im saying there are MUCH faster systems 17:57:38 and faster systems than mine also, but not many 17:58:06 people get used to the std C roundabout and they think it's ok 17:58:15 people can get used to anything 17:58:43 remember when people learning computer programming had to use a 'time sharing system' ? 17:59:07 Good morning Forthwrights! (-_-)zzz 17:59:38 they would fill out a card(s) with the program, drop them off at the computer centre and then go back in a few days to see if the cards had been run 18:00:01 talking about old fossils ..g'day Zen Forth Guru! 18:00:26 hello Forth Master Technician (tm)! 18:00:53 tpbsd, sounds like a very optimal system 18:01:17 rdrop-exit, my latest page, a general purpose Mecrisp-Stellar`is Forth timing library: https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/systick-library.html 18:01:31 cool, checking it out 18:02:39 jsoft, my dev system is going as fast as it can atm. One slowdown is GNU Screen which is limited to a max speed of 460800 bps, and I would like at least 2.5Mb/s 18:03:07 jsoft, so there is still room for improvement 18:03:54 you could replace " ms.read swap u>=" with "ms.read u<" 18:04:22 rdrop-exit, awesome I'll try it 18:05:01 rdrop-exit, then I'll 'see' them both and make sure that Mecrisp-Stellaris hasnt already done that 18:05:14 it's very sneaky 18:07:26 quite the cunning is it ? 18:07:41 tpbsd, SV650 is 80% on the way 18:08:03 jsoft, it is! 18:08:13 jsoft, awesome, I know youll love it! 18:08:44 It already comes with an after market exhaust, to let loose that boss V-Twin sound :) 18:09:20 ms.delay instead of ">r ... r@ ... rdrop" could be "... over ... drop" 18:11:15 rdrop-exit, perfect! saved 2 bytes :) 18:11:18 \ see ms.reached? ( ms.read swap u>= ) 18:11:18 \ 200005E6: 2080 movs r0 #80 18:11:18 \ 200005E8: 04C0 lsls r0 r0 #13 18:11:18 \ 200005EA: 3080 adds r0 #80 18:11:18 \ 200005EC: 00C0 lsls r0 r0 #3 18:11:19 \ 200005EE: 6E43 ldr r3 [ r0 #64 ] 18:11:22 \ 200005F0: 42B3 cmp r3 r6 18:11:24 \ 200005F2: 41B6 sbcs r6 r6 18:11:26 \ 200005F4: 43F6 mvns r6 r6 18:11:28 \ 200005F6: 4770 bx lr 18:11:30 \ Bytes: 18 ok. 18:11:32 \ see ms.reached? ( ms.read u< ) 18:11:34 \ 200005E6: 2080 movs r0 #80 18:11:36 \ 200005E8: 04C0 lsls r0 r0 #13 18:11:38 \ 200005EA: 3080 adds r0 #80 18:11:40 \ 200005EC: 00C0 lsls r0 r0 #3 18:11:42 \ 200005EE: 6E43 ldr r3 [ r0 #64 ] 18:11:44 \ 200005F0: 429E cmp r6 r3 18:11:46 \ 200005F2: 41B6 sbcs r6 r6 18:11:48 \ 200005F4: 4770 bx lr 18:11:52 \ Bytes: 16 ok. 18:11:54 jsoft, brilliant, sound is important on a v twin 18:12:10 cool 18:12:34 tpbsd, Oh O bought a slow cooker today, and a big fat rolled roast beef to shove in it 18:13:38 jsoft, I love vtwins, here is mine :) http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=24625854179034628093 18:13:57 I prefer bigger ones, so mine is 1200cc 18:14:06 and 8 valves 18:14:10 110 hp 18:15:09 rdrop-exit, why remove using the return stack as a local variable ? 18:15:51 the item you want is already on the stack 18:16:06 rdrop-exit, I usually throw in 'locals' for the first draft just to get it working and then I redo the code about 3x to make it smaller, faster and prettier 18:16:17 tpbsd, those things sound awesome 18:16:22 over ( x y -- x y x ) 18:16:28 rdrop-exit, hmm, I dont like that reply because it's exceedingly hard to debate! 18:17:00 jsoft, and it pulls like a x class loco 18:17:13 ms.read over u>= 18:17:39 after the loop you just discard it with "drop" 18:18:10 tpbsd, thats half the appeal to me, V-Twins haul ass while sounding bored 18:20:01 rdrop-exit, i'll try it 18:20:07 cool 18:20:24 jsoft, mine sounds the opposite of bored at 7500 rpm :) 18:20:39 it sounds like a enraged mad ghod 18:20:46 at lemans 18:20:57 --- join: jedb__ joined #forth 18:21:51 tpbsd, but I mean when they are cruising at low RPM, they sound 'slow' 18:22:01 wugga wugga wugga wugga 18:23:07 --- join: xek_ joined #forth 18:23:19 rdrop-exit, saved 6 bytes :) 18:23:23 cool! 18:23:26 --- quit: jedb_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 18:23:44 --- quit: xek (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:23:45 jsoft, lol, I ride mine in town at about 1500 rpm in 3rd 18:24:04 :D 18:24:55 rdrop-exit, I admit, Im only now starting to perform more stack gymnastics 18:25:12 jsoft, and that usually means slipping the clutch 18:25:22 jsoft, my bike HATES towns 18:25:35 OVER and TUCK are often useful in loops 18:25:44 at 1500rpm and third I'm at 50kph, the speed limit 18:26:21 My son's Triumph Street Scrambler 900 has pretty nice exhaust sound 18:26:38 jsoft, the sv650 is the opposite, it's a gentlemans vtwin 18:26:43 tpbsd, :) 18:27:00 Well yes, I will be purchasing a top hat. 18:27:11 rdrop-exit, the triumph is faster than my bike i think 18:27:30 rdrop-exit, yeah man, triumph triples are fucking awesome 18:27:45 not sure if scrambler 900's are triples, but I would guess so 18:28:07 nope, does not look like it 18:28:10 jsoft, I know a couple of guys who own them and they are usually last in line, not that theyre slow (tho the rest are very fast) but because they dont feel the need to go nuts 18:28:55 ahh the street scrabler is just a twin I think 18:29:22 the tripples are pretty fast, I had one drag me off, but he was being a bit unsafe so I backed off 18:29:39 at 65 I break too easily, and it hurts more 18:30:25 my guzzi is plenty fast but it's no where near the quite common 'insane' class thesedays 18:30:30 I wanted one of these, the importer is just down the street from us, my wife nixxed the idea :( 18:30:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxMMk2EGGc 18:31:14 I wanted the 2-wheel drive version 18:31:28 even has a reverse gear 18:32:23 it's a very safe and reliable, easy to maintain bike 18:32:46 it's double the weight and 1/3 the power of mine, I dunno why your wife was so worried 18:32:57 I haven't even driven any vehicle in 25 years 18:33:09 so what, you clearly have a working brain 18:33:13 youd be fine 18:33:49 even jsoft is being very sensible with his choice of a SV650! 18:34:20 I ride with guys who have 130 - 160 HP bikes and I cant hardly keep them in sight 18:34:38 I always end up taking big risks when I ride with them 18:34:51 Yeah fuck all that shit. 18:35:00 Especially on public roads 18:35:43 I was on a awesome ride about 2 years ago, long winding hilly ride in the hills and I'm committed into a corner after overtaking a couple of riders, and mid corner a guy in a Porsche suv overtakes me!, 18:35:53 lol 18:36:04 Fucks sake 18:36:12 hes sideways smoking his wheels and grinning ear to ear, Im like OMG! 18:36:52 there is another tight corner coming up and Im sure hes going to lose it, but he dissapears in a cloud of tyre smoke and makes the corner 18:36:58 That's all great and fantastic, but he is not the one that falls off if he fucks upo 18:37:04 and he dissapears ... 18:37:27 I hate cars when riding 18:37:38 ho he'd just roll of the cliff and down the gullies 18:37:38 Ultra paranoid about vehicles 18:37:44 Yeah but take you out 18:37:50 he didnt tho 18:37:57 some people are legends, he was 18:38:06 you have to admire them 18:38:08 :D 18:38:12 Yeah fair enough 18:38:13 Im not exactly slow 18:38:24 That's what she said 18:38:30 A friend of mine had a Renault 5 Turbo 2, used to smoke Porsches on mountain roads, the look on their face was priceless 18:38:31 but I'll never be a legend, and Im ok with that 18:38:42 rdrop-exit, I'll bet it was! 18:38:54 Hehhe 18:39:12 my vtwin is a hill climbing monster 18:39:38 it spins the rear wheel from torque when cornering Im racing friends in hill climbs 18:39:44 I think my favorate bike was my TR650, but I think the SV650 will replace that favour 18:39:52 it's a odd feeling as it grips and slips 18:39:55 tpbsd, awesome 18:40:13 the sv650 owners all love that bike 18:40:46 I mostly like accelleration and corners and things, not outright speed 18:40:54 And also cruising 18:40:56 it honestly feels like it's ripping pieces of tarmac out of the road 18:41:06 Aww thats boss 18:41:08 jsoft, Im exactly the same 18:41:59 I also have one of these : https://bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_cbr_900_rr_fireblade_1994.php 18:42:11 125 HP 18:42:21 I hate sports bikes :( 18:42:26 yeah me too 18:42:27 Well on roads anyways 18:42:37 but I rode it everywhere for a decade 18:42:38 Just so impractical 18:42:52 they are very impractical 18:43:05 I had an R6 for a while 18:43:16 but it accelerates very nicely 18:43:17 I was such a short ass I could not two feet it 18:43:22 the R6 is awesome 18:43:39 Yeah it hauled ass, but it needed to be in high RPM's to do so 18:43:49 Not the lazy nice v-twin 'yeah ok me go now' stuff 18:44:04 I only ride my v twin now, it suits me 100% 18:44:25 well the griso is a schitzo bike 18:44:45 My father had a Vincent Black Shadow and a Austin Healy 3000, when he came back from the navy he discovered his mother had sold them to make room in the garage 18:44:46 1200 - 6000 rpm, Vtwin 18:45:11 6000 - 7500 rpm, manic two-stroke 18:45:25 wives! 18:45:42 rdrop-exit, oh that is filthy 18:46:13 my dad used to take us kids to the local speedway just to watch one sidecar race, a Vincent Black Shadow 18:46:20 See? Thats why ya don't hang about women, they steal ya fun and dreams 18:46:31 the bike was handicaped HALF A LAP 18:46:42 The Black Shadow is one of the most beautiful bikes ever made IMO 18:46:45 we would sit opposite his bike 18:47:01 that bike made the ground shake 18:47:27 and if he couldnt overtake the field in one lap, he would pull out of the race 18:47:57 when that race was over, dad would take us home, we never saw the rest of the speedway events 18:48:13 cool! 18:48:22 rdrop-exit, it sure was 18:48:55 rdrop-exit, mine is similar size, 90 degree, 8 valves, 12:1 compression 18:49:10 air cooled V twin 18:49:55 jsoft, and rdrop-exit , there is a very interesting fact regarding 90 degree V twins 18:50:01 tpbsd, whats that 18:50:05 When my son was choosing his bike, it came down to either a Triumph or a Guzzi 18:50:05 the traction aspect? 18:50:11 they sound like a ford mustang engine 18:50:15 Oh? 18:50:23 yep, same firing impulse 18:50:53 you listen to a ford mustang sound, then a griso engine ... almost the same 18:51:17 hmm 18:51:28 there is a utube video showing how bike and car engines with the same impulse same the sound 18:51:40 ill see if I can find it 18:52:18 Yeah that would be interestings 18:53:46 oh here is my car, same model and colour, sounds the same, goes the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mSOFoZlsYE&list=FLEOYYu1bSPFf-EVaY9akRcg&index=3&t=0s 18:54:37 What a flash guy 18:54:40 I have a toyota hiace :D 18:54:47 I love my van tho 18:57:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRmbbtrrxAM&list=FLEOYYu1bSPFf-EVaY9akRcg&index=78&t=0s 18:57:43 that's the video re bike and car engine counds 18:57:48 sounds 19:00:55 I love my 1994 audi quattro, only car I ever loved other than a Citroen ID19 I owned when I was 18 19:02:37 tpbsd, that guzzi in that video looks awesome 19:03:14 jsoft, you only love your hiace as the 50bmg wont fit in anything else ;-) 19:04:15 rdrop-exit, your son has good taste in bikes 19:04:27 :) 19:05:04 tpbsd, lol 19:06:13 rdrop-exit, see what I mean by the sound ? 19:06:16 oops 19:06:24 jsoft, see what I mean by the sound ? 19:06:40 tpbsd, Yeah hard 19:06:46 makes sense 19:06:52 90 degree 4strokes with 8 valves all sound the same even with different numbers of cylinders 19:07:29 and mine is exactly the same, I mean who doesnt instinctively love that sound ? 19:07:50 inline 4's are just buzz boxes 19:08:06 mine redlines at 11,000 19:08:19 the honda fireblade 19:08:37 tpbsd, aww, check this sound out: 19:09:00 and at that rpm everything is a blur, your life if flashing before your eyes, death sits like a monkey on your shoulder 19:09:25 that caper is for the young and invincible 19:09:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGY7sLsS-OU 19:09:28 k 19:09:34 nuda 900 19:09:39 such a boss champ bike 19:11:30 he shits me, I never ride like that *now* 19:11:40 I used to when I was young 19:11:59 what do you mean 19:18:01 of the fireblade 19:18:07 oh the fireblade, I mean 19:18:53 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 19:20:20 --- quit: cartwright (Remote host closed the connection) 19:21:30 I cringe when I see bikers riding between lanes 19:21:44 oh no, the fireblade I bought in 2001 19:22:10 I used to do lane splitting on my kawasaki mach3 in 1971 19:22:21 but cars were a LOT slower then 19:22:38 --- join: cartwright joined #forth 19:22:48 I could easily drag off a Ford 351 GTHO to 100mph 19:23:08 lol, even if they made the road shake behind me ;-) 19:23:29 nowdays, try and drag of a tesla model 3 ? 19:23:36 youre in for a surprise 19:34:45 tpbsd, I am guilty of riding between lanes 19:34:52 37,43 C 19:34:52 99,38 F 19:34:56 oh me too 19:35:05 not these days tho 19:35:37 tpbsd, if I am in a hooning mood, it just happens. I went through some at like 70 or 80 km /hr in a 50 k zone 19:36:22 I cant wait to get my bike tho 19:36:27 They always made me happy 19:36:34 jsoft, you outlaw biker! 19:36:52 Nah it was a momentary cramp of the right wrist 19:37:25 The TR650 was the shit for shenanigans 19:37:27 jsoft, I got my bike license the day i turned 17 in WA 19:37:39 I'm still on my learners :D 19:37:47 my first roadbike was a 500cc kawasaki mach 3, 60 hp 19:37:56 in 1971 19:38:07 That was probably quite the thing 19:38:15 in those days there was just the one category of bike license 19:38:29 it was the fastest road bike in the world 19:38:41 accelerating 19:38:54 I paif $950 for it brand new, on hire purchase 19:39:18 my next bike was a kawasaki 900Z1B, $1865 brand new 19:39:37 that was about 1974 19:39:53 and they were about 17 motorbikes ago 19:40:33 I paid $9750 for my guzzi, second hand, the most Ive ever paid for a motorbike 19:40:58 plus another $3k in parts and suspension mods 19:41:32 One does not simply leave their bike unmodded 19:41:36 your choice of a sv650 is very sound indeed 19:41:45 I see what you did there 19:42:02 well Ive never really modded a bike as jap bikes are pretty good as is 19:42:10 hehe, I didnt 19:42:14 Sound 19:42:27 I did mod the ZiB with a $2000 hooker 4 into one tho 19:42:32 wtf is that 19:42:45 after that mod it would wheelstand from thottle 19:42:54 just a extractor system 19:43:05 back in 1974 19:43:19 awwww yeah 19:43:20 the Zib has 4 individual exhausts 19:43:54 they weighed a ton, the Hooker exhaust was very light, assed about 20% power immediately at the cost of the bottom end power 19:44:11 but at 18 I was all about power 19:44:34 I could wind the speedo off the end on that bike 19:44:48 but the speed was just insane and so dangerous 19:45:00 Id estimate about 140 mph 19:45:25 in top gear at 8000 rpm 19:45:49 I'll never go that fast again on a bike 19:46:04 Seen the onboard videos of the TT stuff? 19:46:06 Insane eh? 19:46:18 Isle of man and what not 19:47:19 the guzzi is rated for 136 mph, so not much behind my old ZIB 19:47:54 at that speed if you quickly roll of the throttle you crash if youre not ready for it 19:48:27 the deceleration is horrendous, you nearly go over the handlebars 19:48:49 it's so easy to go into a speed wobble that you cant stop also 19:49:21 and of course it tales you about a km to stop so if anything gets in your way, youre screwed 19:49:55 *real* speed definitely kills 19:50:41 luckily your new sv650 isnt a speed demon, and it doesnt tr`y and tempt you to become one 19:51:17 it just saus 'lets go for a nice smooth ride thru the hills today and enjoy ourselves' 19:52:02 my guzzi isnt really like that tho, it says 'lets see if you can beat your last hill climb today' 19:53:21 tpbsd, I dunno. I cant help but think I will be blapping about everywhere. 19:53:25 Accidentally of course 19:56:20 you will of course, but .... 650 cc 19:56:39 look at this insane nut! the speed in his speedo is MPH 19:56:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYaSG_IoAXk 19:56:51 bloody panagale v4 19:56:56 about 220 HP ! 19:57:15 guys like that arent human 19:57:42 that bike is about $65,000 19:58:01 maybe more 19:59:08 when his bars waggle, that usually means the front wheel has landed back on the road 20:05:06 tpbsd, fuck me he's giving it the beans 20:05:32 yeah a non human! 20:06:37 It's interesting how at 14k rpm it does not sound like 14k rpm 20:06:41 sounds lower 20:07:44 and 220 hp 20:08:15 I've had friends of that ilk, I can keep them in sight for about 20 seconds then I never see them again 20:08:58 those guys are amazed if I go 10 corners behind them without falling off 20:09:28 so Im a bike tourer, not a racer, especially now at 65 20:10:27 Yeah I need to do some track days to figure out the limits proper 20:11:26 thats the ticket, do your racing on the track 20:11:35 track friends are all way faster than me 20:11:56 but be prepared to see that bike sliding down the track 20:12:09 if you must race, get a race bike 20:12:20 Yeah I want a shitbox 250 or something to proper race 20:12:22 doenst have to be expensive or gast 20:12:27 exactly 20:12:33 a 250 is plenty 20:12:37 But I want to go on the track and gradually push it till I start to feel it twitch and things 20:12:40 gast = fast 20:12:49 outstanding 20:12:58 thats a very sensible attitude 20:13:17 when you can thrash the guts off a 250 around the track youll be faster than most guys 20:13:21 Well how else are you supposed to do it 20:13:38 idiots like me did it on the road, ... still do 20:13:53 I don't worry, I will be an idiot on the road 20:14:03 thats the advantage of where I live, greatest area of roads in Australia 20:14:06 Oh dont worry, I mean 20:14:09 and theyre all awesome! 20:14:37 Nah NZ has the best roads, based on my entirely biased, totally unfounded opinion 20:15:02 i only have to ride for a 1/2 hr west and I'm in totally cop un-monitored area 20:15:21 I believe you, but we have the MOST roads in this area 20:15:32 highest road density in Australia 20:15:47 and many are outstanding bike roads 20:15:53 Oh the old quantity over quality argument eh? :D 20:15:54 this is bike heaven 20:15:59 kinda 20:16:17 bbs 20:33:49 tpbsd:where were you live in AU? 20:34:14 how about the network quanlite in AU 20:40:01 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 20:48:12 the network what? 20:48:15 Quality? 20:49:33 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 20:57:23 tpbsd, trying out a slow cooked beef rolled roast thingy 20:57:35 $25 for a slow cooker, and it fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEKS 20:57:49 Like its burning off some residual china 20:59:20 argh 20:59:55 reminds me of a soldering iron that smelled so bad even before heating it, at least it wasn't for food 21:00:18 it was defect too so replaced, the other one didn't have that problem 21:00:50 something stranger and worst than pvc smell 21:04:08 the temperature control knob was glued so when turning it a plastic rod twisted inside, I couldn't get it to heat enough for lead-free solder, then the knob broke in my hand and it explained everything heh 21:04:29 except the smell 21:06:50 Absolute quality equipment right there 21:08:37 essence of crap 21:09:36 its replacement was also another brand+model and it fortunately works much better 21:09:41 Im getting that sweet sweet aroma of heated crap atm 21:09:52 It should smell of fucking MEAT, not ass 21:19:20 jsoft, dont buy crap gear if you can avoid it ? 21:26:51 tpbsd, I have a case of cheap ass tho 21:27:08 I just dont understand why cheap things are not magical 21:27:15 It boggles my mind 21:27:34 hahah 21:27:41 you kids! 21:48:40 ok Xon/Xoff here I come! 21:55:15 What even is Xon/Xoff again? 21:55:20 Besides beign a flow control 21:56:16 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 21:56:36 it's a purely software means of flow control 21:57:00 hence a lot easier to implement than hardware flow control 21:58:12 jsoft, you should be building your own "slow cooker" ! 21:58:56 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 21:58:57 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 21:59:27 jsoft, flashy clocks are all well and good, but a well designed slow cooker be a lot more useful ? 22:02:40 tpbsd, that involves ceramic shenanigans and what not 22:02:48 nah 22:03:00 a slow cooker is the easiest of all 22:03:17 they cook for long periods at low temperatures 22:03:23 Yeah but the bowl and shit 22:03:41 just buy a decent bowl 22:03:54 make a wooden box and lid 22:04:08 varnished, feet etc 22:04:09 Or spend $25 on a working slow cooker :D 22:04:40 yeah complete with mercury fresh from the Yanggste Kiang 22:05:01 I washed the bowl before shoving the chunk of meat in it 22:05:09 I suspect our definition of 'working' 22:05:13 may differ 22:05:26 so the smell came from the water you used ? 22:05:34 I did not use any water 22:05:56 Like its burning off some residual china 22:06:00 The smell seems to have gone now 22:06:11 straight into your gullet! 22:06:29 I've not eaten anything yet 22:06:40 ITs like, 10 hours off 22:06:42 or something 22:06:44 jsoft, you just committed a crime against nature NOT building a slow cooker! 22:07:04 you have the skills and the ability 22:07:15 to build a awesome slow cooker 22:07:18 I built it using my need for a slow cooker, and china meeting that need and building it for me 22:08:02 I don't see how this thing could be improved, besides potential timing, etc 22:08:37 now youre guilty of lack of imagination .... 22:09:06 This is about the first time i've even used a slow cooker to cook just meat 22:09:26 I may have to ask for your technicians guild membership card so I can tear it up 22:09:30 Give it a moment, cripes.. no need to re-invent the universe before the first meal is even eaten 22:10:00 I'm guessing that you didnt really read my rant on reinventing the wheel ... 22:10:26 imagine you built a slow cooker 22:10:41 $25 in parts would probably cover it 22:10:56 right ok. But I would have to have an idea of _how_ to use a slow cooker first 22:11:03 And then what makes a better one 22:11:37 one day a hot cheer leader is enjoying a nice slow cooked beef roll and spies the cooker, she has never seen anything so cool and .... 22:12:18 And she can finish it and go off being a dizzy woman elsewhere 22:12:27 "pics or it didn't happen" 22:13:01 the fact that you designed and made the awesome slow cooker causes her to add 2 points to your lowly 4, raising you to a 6, which just meets her minimum rating for a guy she'd take home ... 22:13:02 (of the cheerleader, of course) 22:13:20 lol 22:13:32 tpbsd, little did she know, I do not give a fuck about her rating system, and she can go kick a can down the road 22:13:51 :) 22:15:02 jsoft, well I cant argue with that sensible logic 22:15:59 * tpbsd goes back to designing a Mecrisp-Stellaris xonxoff Word 22:16:10 Yeah what is that xon/xoff stuff 22:16:19 Its some serial related flow control shit aye? 22:16:20 ask the cheerleader :P 22:16:29 yes 22:16:39 tpbsd, she is too busy talking about shoes. 22:16:49 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 22:16:56 simple, but due to the large buffers in usb-serial bridges it may not work well 22:17:01 LOL 22:17:28 we havent tried one yet, so this is the test 22:17:48 Give it the beans, tpbsd 22:18:00 jsoft, tell you what ... I'll design and make a Forth based slow cooker instead ? 22:18:10 lol just pressed tab when I typed b, as if hexchat new to auto complete to beans 22:18:10 Ive ben wanting one myself 22:18:44 but Im so disenchanted with all the cheap crap around, I refuse to buy one 22:18:46 tpbsd, all right you do that :) 22:19:01 tpbsd, well if this shit fucks out, then yeah, I might get what you are talking about. 22:19:09 ill start with these: 31,06 C 22:19:10 88,02 F 22:19:20 tpbsd, but this thing costs less than a gluttonous meal to me 22:19:34 $3 2 wire temperature sensors, easy to use, really accurate 22:19:47 yeah, but it's cheap crap 22:20:18 its a ceramic bowl, with something hot under it.. which in turn.. makes the bowl hot 22:20:24 yay! Cooking! :D 22:20:26 what one does is buy a nice deep stainless bowl with copper base and use that as the cooker guts 22:20:53 onto the base one adds the heating and temperature measurement elements 22:21:03 one does that, does one? 22:21:05 :D 22:21:09 one do 22:21:19 You are nerding out over this slow cooker thing :D 22:21:36 aroun it one makes a nice varniched or oiled wooden container 22:21:53 I'm a designer, it's what I do 22:22:09 and in 30 years it still works 22:22:13 I want a food, I bought a food maker 22:22:16 you leave it to your kids 22:23:16 jsoft, being a designer brings with it responsibilities, you can't just buy crap any more 22:23:27 tpbsd, sure you can. 22:23:55 yeah, but then youre a consumer, not a designer 22:24:26 So are you. 22:24:41 You cannot design everything. 22:24:55 Oh what? You did not design your computer? Awwww what a consumer. 22:25:05 Oh what? You did not design your car? Whaaaaat a consumer. 22:25:11 etc etc. 22:25:19 Where does it end 22:26:27 I get what you mean, why not just make the thing. 22:27:06 But... it was literally last night, I was thinking... 'fuck, I want to try slow cooking large amounts of beef, so its all ready for lunch, dinner, etc'. 22:27:08 ever heard of a Koenigsegg supercar ? 22:27:14 I have not 22:27:23 really ? 22:27:35 Not by name, no 22:27:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eXcPKdarLQ 22:28:04 they make *everything* for their cars apart from the windows and a few little things 22:28:32 where people like mclarren buy the engine, Koenigsegg make theirs 22:29:12 they make a 1400 hp supercar, 1MW 22:29:47 the fact is the more you make, the sooner you become a designer legend 22:29:48 So they made a shopping trolly 22:29:52 :P 22:29:56 hahah, yeah a fast one 22:30:02 You are missing the point here tpbsd 22:30:07 I am all for designing shit 22:30:17 I once had a guy bring a bit of gear to me asking if I could fix it 22:30:32 it looked interesting so I asked him who made it 22:30:40 Bob made it, I bet 22:30:44 Bob's good like that. 22:30:54 he looked at me a bit askance and replied "you did" 22:31:00 lol awesome :D 22:31:08 Thats cool :D 22:31:25 i have literally built so much gear I have forgotten some of it 22:31:37 Thats hillarious :D 22:31:53 yeah it's odd because I also have a pretty good memory 22:32:02 I have a shit memory 22:32:07 For certain things 22:32:12 Like names of people 22:32:18 well some things Id rather not remember 22:32:35 Can you remember names of people? 22:33:02 usually 22:33:13 but there is a trick to that 22:33:17 I struggle with that kind of thing. But concepts, 3d pictures of how things work, etc, I don't seem to forget 22:33:30 What's the trick? 22:33:44 most of us when we meet someone are so busy introducing ourselves we dont hear their names 22:34:04 --- part: presiden left #forth 22:34:11 I know where you are going 22:34:17 so the trick is to let them speak first and mentally plave the first letter of their surname on their chest 22:34:36 that's what I have been doing for the last 40 years 22:34:41 hmm 22:34:46 The first letter 22:34:58 when I see them again I usually see the letter and can guess what it is 22:35:02 lol 22:35:06 or get close 22:35:16 they of cource have no idea who I am 22:35:19 course 22:35:37 thats what works for me 22:35:42 There are people i've worked with for 6 months who I did not know the name of 22:35:55 we usually dont remember names because we didnt hear them or werent listening 22:36:03 I've tried listening 22:36:12 yeah, practice the right technique and youll have no problems 22:36:15 Its almost like my brain goes 'Yeah whatever, discard' 22:36:20 try harder ? 22:36:22 I might try that, cheers 22:36:28 Lol try harder 22:36:30 you can do it 22:36:47 your brain has just assigned a low priority 22:36:57 Well it kind of is a low priority 22:37:01 train it, it's a machine and it works for you 22:37:06 exactly 22:37:24 remember you can do it, you have endless mental capacity 22:37:35 just get rid of the junk you dont need 22:37:42 Like names of people 22:37:43 Oh wait 22:37:46 hahah 22:38:04 we all proritise 22:38:17 but you do your brain a diservice 22:38:26 how so 22:38:40 if you tell it to NOT remember, then tell yourself that your brain CANT remember 22:38:50 I don't tell it not to remember 22:38:59 then it would remember 22:39:48 your brain is like a dog, if you act like a member of the pack instead of the boss, the dog wont accept you as the boss 22:39:56 lol 22:40:02 no matter how much you beat it 22:40:15 the dog will just think youre a idiot 22:40:24 I honestly think I am in daydream mode 99% of the time 22:40:34 and you may be right 22:40:45 it's no crime, lots do it 22:40:58 Like fucking what about this thing, ooh and what about that thing, and what if this, etc 22:41:11 People who I like talking to I remember 22:41:20 welcome to the human race ? 22:41:28 lol I guess :D 22:41:42 I just don't get why I need to try and adjust 22:42:03 I get by with 'hey mate, fucking ahh, how's about chucking that there tomato sauce eh?' 22:42:10 heheh 22:43:34 and "ohh look at the awesome $25 slow cooker" that some razor sharp billionaire paid $0.50 for in China, bought 100,000 of them and shipped them to NZ for $200 22:44:04 no it was not a random 'oh look at that', it was a 4 am thought of 'hmm what about slow cooking meat' 22:44:31 now hes driving his new Koenigsegg Agera RS1 he just paid $10 Million for using the profit from you pillocks 22:44:49 Well good for him. I have a beef roast cooking tho, so fuck him. 22:45:15 yeah but hes not going to die a horrible death from food poisoning 22:45:20 Neitehr 22:45:45 It's a ceramic bowl tpbsd 22:45:50 cmon mate 22:46:11 I must check up on it actually, see what it looks like now 22:46:12 did you see the Chinese guy who made that bowl ? 22:46:25 Yeah I met him, cant remember his name though 22:46:31 did you see where the material for it came from ? 22:46:33 hahah 22:47:18 No I did not see where the material came from. 22:47:30 they used all the polluted soil from that area where the massive fireworks explosion killed hundreds to make those 'ceramic' bowls 22:47:41 But i see juices already oozing out of the roast thingy tho, 2 hours in 22:47:47 and they were laughing their heads off as they made them 22:48:17 Awwwwww yep 22:49:42 youre making me hungry! 22:50:04 I have a nice steak waiting for my stainless fast cooker 22:52:12 i have always wanted to make a slow cooker 22:52:38 one with 1C accuracy over the base of the bowl 22:53:28 Here goes some IC accuracy: https://imgur.com/a/Y05a89x 22:58:26 wht did you chuck the meat in the toilet bowl ? 22:58:43 It's not that kind of ceramic bowl, tpbsd ! :D 22:58:51 looks like it ;-) 22:59:01 You shuddup, you :P 22:59:26 It smelt fucking awesome tho, first time I lifted the lid off since the start 22:59:48 thats the mercury bringing out the flavor 22:59:59 I bought some bullshit herb rub stuff which I chucked on there, as well as the compulsary salt 23:00:19 Mercury can go suck my nutsacks. 23:00:56 it will 23:01:11 from inside your gut! 23:01:31 then it will start on your brain 23:01:34 Nah I will just shit it out. 23:01:54 Or I will go vegan and detox the universe 23:02:02 hahah 23:02:04 And become a 10 kg rake 23:02:14 what a load of bs "detox" 23:02:24 Fuck vegans. 23:02:45 yeah, sever lack of critical thinking there 23:02:48 +e 23:02:52 They start off with 'oh healthy' but then turn into a cult. 23:02:59 But it aint healthy anyway 23:03:16 healthy for ruminants 23:03:21 Exactly. 23:04:22 What is this fast cooker thing, anyway? 23:04:30 ruminants can turn grass into saturated fat with the help of bacteria, we can't 23:06:08 I can turn grass into grass clippings with the correct tools 23:06:26 hahah 23:07:40 things are so fucked up here due to drought i see a old dude and his wife every day over the road (farmers open paddock) mowing the grass for their 2 pet cows at home 23:08:18 I see people feeding their horses on the front verges of houses in the street 23:08:31 Fark 23:08:37 Fucking auzzie aye. 23:08:38 yeah, it's grim 23:08:42 Always seems to be all dry and shit 23:08:49 it do 23:09:00 Oh I saw a random video re auzzie fires the other day 23:09:20 they look worn out and pissed off ? 23:09:21 And I think I saw what you meant by the speed of it 23:10:00 I've been a volly firefighter for 15 years in WA, stopped in 2000 and Ive *never* seen fires like Ive seen on tv recently 23:10:15 in fact we have a whole new type of cloud now 23:10:15 There was this bit where it looked like it was just sitting there, going 'oh hi, I am a fire', but then it randomly just kinda took a giant step forward in seconds, and kinda looked fixing to do another 23:10:27 And then the dudes go 'ok lets get out of here' 23:10:28 :D 23:10:56 I'm used to that, fires jump from one spot to another when they are really hot 23:11:07 Like it looked like it was say, 150 meters or so away, but then just somehow moved like another 75 or whatever, really really quickly 23:11:15 the bush 20m in front of the fire just bursts into flames 23:11:32 it must just dry out the stuff in front, priming it for perfect flammability 23:11:32 and so it seems to spread in bug jumps 23:11:36 yep 23:11:48 especially when the flame front is 2000 C 23:12:18 stuff just explodes 20m in front, trees, animals, houses, people 23:12:22 lol there was this classic auzzie guy though 23:12:30 'Are you from the media?' 23:12:46 'Tell the prime minister to go and get fucked, from Nellighan' 23:12:49 i hated the media when I was a firey 23:12:49 or something to that effect 23:13:45 anyway we now have a "pyrocumulonimbus" cloud! 23:13:59 tpbsd, https://youtu.be/sFOeesZfT1Y?t=22 23:14:14 when the really big fires here join they actually make a "pyrocumulonimbus" cloud 23:14:43 yeah i saw that 23:14:51 Poor bastards 23:15:36 ths cloud then causes a downdraft that rips up trees, overturns vehicles and then cause lightning which sets more bush on fire miles away 23:15:52 a firey was killed last week by such a cloudf 23:16:02 fuck 23:16:06 it overturned their 8 ton truck and killed him 23:17:09 wow 23:17:22 Poor bastard 23:17:26 Damn 23:17:36 That sucks :( 23:18:00 Oi whats all this shit I hear about like, near 200 odd arrests for arson? 23:18:21 Bunch of fucking idiots 23:18:49 Were they trying to do 'burnoffs' or are they just morons? 23:19:31 http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=47318389898252345433 23:20:00 I havent heard of so many arrests, I think it's bs, but I really dont know 23:20:31 the fact is that the bush is so tinder dry from the drought that fires are inevitable even without arsonists 23:20:50 everyone wants someone to blame 23:21:11 Hmm ok 23:21:15 fact: drought has dried out all our forrests, theyre tinder dry 23:21:45 fact: there is so much fuel load that when they catch fire, nothing can stop the big fires 23:22:05 fact: there are hundreds of ways the bush can burn 23:22:12 it's inevitable 23:22:22 and people are idiots as usual 23:22:43 you dont need conspiracies or guilty parties 23:23:55 these massive fires will keep recurring every 15 years or so 23:25:08 because people are idiots and will have blind faith in ideologies rather than go to the trouble of using critical thinking 23:28:11 jsoft:yes, i mean the quality of network, since AU has a large territory while less population 23:28:56 tpbsd:i heard from news, its amazing that some inner land has fire spreaded too, i was thgouht those were desert before 23:30:20 yunfan, I'm amazed also, Ive been to those areas, there is nothing to burn 23:30:38 yunfan, I suspect a lot of the news is sensationalist bullshit 23:31:15 yunfan, however this site is very accurate for New South Wales : https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me# 23:31:41 all the shaded areas are *current fires* in New South Wales 23:31:54 that map doesnt show any fires outside NSW 23:33:14 now those fires are all in the populous areas, they arent inland because thats mostly desert as you say 23:33:26 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 23:35:56 tpbsd:i might be interesting of those inland like alice spring :D , also port august, which has a high tech farm i am in love 23:36:56 Hello everyone 23:38:10 c[] hello 23:38:18 mtsd, how the fuck are ya? :) 23:38:51 Hi jsoft, all good here :) 23:39:10 mtsd, Most excellent news 23:39:46 Thanks. And you, how are things? 23:40:14 Excellent. I am trialling a slow cooked roast beef, and it is smelling outrageously good right now, 3 hours in 23:40:28 sounds fantastic! 23:40:33 so 9 hours or so from now I can scoff it 23:41:14 beef? 23:41:20 beef 23:41:36 why it took you so long time? 23:41:52 so long time to what? 23:42:46 to get a clue ? 23:43:03 lol fuck you too tpbsd 23:43:28 what's that slow boi ? 23:43:50 Slow cooker, you geezer. Im cooking a roast beef in it. Catch up 23:44:00 jsoft, go back to your C, it's slow like you ;-) 23:44:38 Oh go make another bloated forth image you academic fapper :P 23:44:45 ahh cooking! I thought you were making the beef atom by atom in that slow thing that looks like a dunny 23:45:17 tpbsd, yeah well its not a dunny. I know thats the reference point to which you base all your life decisions, but no, its not a dunny. 23:45:34 :P 23:45:47 that was shithouse thing to say! 23:45:57 I don't give a shit 23:46:05 youre so ful of crap today 23:46:23 You're talking out your arse 23:46:47 so much cheek! 23:47:24 jsoft:you said you got 9 hours to roast that beef? 23:47:46 yunfan, yeah 23:47:58 jsoft:that's too loong to me 23:48:08 yunfan, its not an over. 23:48:12 an oven, I mean 23:48:18 It's a slow cooker 23:48:58 it cooks................... slowly. 23:49:16 Using the power of...slow, I guess 23:51:33 it's a perfect match for jsofts brain 23:53:31 lol 23:56:10 Wait, no, I am triggered! I am having a nervous breakdown! 23:56:13 jsoft:i dided some search, and finally got to know, we have almost the same equipment in local dish 23:56:25 jsoft:but that's not roast style 23:56:40 yunfan, Yeah this is the first time I have tried cooking a beef roast in a slow cooker 23:57:34 I love meat, and cooking it by just shoving heaps of it in a thing and leaving it till I wake up sounds good to me 23:58:18 i think you could try to use this cooking pork with dried garlic leaves, which will be super smell sweat 23:58:46 jsoft, that cooking is also known as "sous`e vid`e" 23:58:47 ? 23:59:23 tpbsd, yeah I guess, the first time I heard about that was a very tpbsd way of doing it, with super precise temperature sensors for africa 23:59:36 jsoft, I have a friend in the USA who only eats from a slow cooker 23:59:51 yunfan, I guess it might work, but the best part of pork is the crackling I reckon 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/20.01.08