00:00:00 --- log: started forth/20.01.04 00:06:54 --- quit: tpbsd (Remote host closed the connection) 00:08:09 --- join: tpbsd joined #forth 00:25:37 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:50:08 c[] Good afternoon Forthicians 00:50:37 evening great Zen Forthling 00:51:00 Hi Forth Master Technician (tm) 00:51:45 so whats new rdrop-exit ? 00:52:46 Wrote most of the guts of the R32IM assembler, haven't gotten to most of the pseudo-instructions 00:52:56 nor any of the compressed instructions 00:53:06 wow, nice work! 00:53:33 Also started experimenting with replacing my block editor's find/replace functionality with an incremental find/replace 00:53:56 I've done a page comparing the stm32f103c8 to the gd32VF103Cx 00:54:10 as the two chips are so similar 00:54:30 A traditional Forth assembler for RV32I is fairly trivial, at least compared must some other ISAs 00:54:37 I spent a day doing it 00:54:44 Cool! Link please 00:55:00 https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/stm32f103-vs-gd32vf103.html 00:55:23 --- quit: iyzsong (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00:55:38 most of the time was spent comparing peripherals 00:55:42 Thanks, checking it out 00:55:46 no problemo 00:55:55 MrMobius, yes I had an Apple II. I dabbled. I was never comfortable with it. m68k is more my bag. 00:56:53 Tony_Sidaway, motorola did a pretty good job, of course their chips were astronomically expensive compared to the 6502 00:58:25 I'll probably get one of these at some point 00:58:26 https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive1-rev-b 00:58:44 I had learned PDP-11 assembler at university so the minimalism of 6502 was a big shock 01:01:18 I haven't done any 6502 assembly since I was a teenager 01:01:29 rdrop-exit, probably the best choice as far as specs and data goes 01:02:12 I used to manufacture commercial video gaming machines that used the 6502 01:02:21 SiFive is the company of the main guys behind the RISC-V, so I figure it'll make a good test bed 01:02:21 we made thousands of them 01:02:35 rdrop-exit, agree 100% 01:03:28 Cool, thanks for the feedback 01:03:32 I think the gd32VF103Cx will quickly overtake everything else as the chip of choice for hobbyists and hobby gear tho 01:03:51 mainly because it's very cheap 01:04:58 to me, any MCU under $40 is ridiculously cheap, I still can't believe I bought my cortex-m's for about $50 each 01:05:17 that amount is so cheap it just doesnt compute for me 01:05:47 oops, $0.50 each 01:06:56 already people on the forums are saying they wont buy the sifive boards because they are so 'expensive at $60' but I can't understand what they mean as I see that as dirt cheap 01:07:29 For now my priority is testing my toolchain, I don't want to deal with kit that's potentially garbage, not worth the stress 01:07:30 a decent meal costs $60 nowadays, a tank of fuel costs $60+ 01:07:47 rdrop-exit, absolutely agree 01:08:20 the cheap Chinese chips may not exist next month, having being replaced by something else, on just never knows 01:08:35 Three working registers, all 8-bit wide. Plus page zero of course , which is the saving grace of the design. 01:10:37 source RISC-V - RV32I - Instructions - Unconditional Jumps 01:10:37 : jal, ( rd sx[20:0] -- ) $ 6f j-type, ; 01:10:37 : jalr, ( rd base sx[11:0] -- ) 0 $ 67 i-type, ; 01:11:31 Note the traditional Forth RPN assemly words :) 01:12:38 The mnemonic comes last and lays down the machine code 01:12:56 --- quit: Tony_Sidaway (Quit: Tony_Sidaway) 01:13:15 (hense the comma at the end of the name) 01:13:20 * hence 01:14:23 Almost all immediates are sign-extended in the RISC-V ISA 01:14:30 rdrop-exit, this is new to me! 01:14:58 what is? 01:14:59 I know matthias has Words that he uses to create assembly Words 01:15:24 the traditional Forth RPN assemly words 01:16:11 traditionally Forth assembly is RPN, e.g. 01:16:24 on x86 instead of: 01:16:34 mov ax,bx 01:16:40 you would have: 01:16:45 ax bx mov, 01:17:27 that makes sense 01:17:53 you build up the instruction fields on the stack, then mnemonic word combines them and lays down machine code 01:19:16 on another subject, I have noticed the ingress of microsoft tools into OSS embedded design the last few years 01:19:34 namely "VSCode" 01:20:04 which is a gui editor that is taking over in many areas, it's even available as Linux package now 01:20:41 i just read that this editor has no print facility because 'no one prints large blocks of code anymore' 01:20:56 and people just accept this now 01:21:21 does it export to PDF? 01:21:30 I dont know 01:21:37 ill never use it 01:22:14 VIM does everything I need and probably tons more than "VSCode" will ever do 01:24:09 everything has changed now that people think loading a library into Arduino and changing a default or 2 is 'programming' 01:24:22 I'm thinking of giving JOE a try for non-Forth code, I hear it supports the Wordstar diamond 01:24:36 I've heard of JOE 01:25:25 My caps-lock key is set to be a control key, as it was before the PC-AT 01:25:40 I'm fully tied into VIM now. I have tried other editors in the past but some while friendler only had a small percentage of the VIM capability I need 01:26:56 editors are a of a religious nature to programmers so I never get into the pros and cons, but make a exception with this microsoft VScode 01:28:44 vscode is pretty cool 01:29:03 jsoft, you sheep-hugger! 01:29:11 You kangaroo licker! 01:29:33 vscode is for girls 01:29:39 and boys 01:29:42 and men, and women 01:29:57 no, girls only 01:30:04 Im triggered 01:30:20 lol 01:30:28 I haven't used anything MS in probably 15 years 01:30:48 vscode aint too mad I reckons 01:30:51 I still use vim though 01:31:21 rdrop-exit, you really havent missed anything 01:31:45 Windows has all the fpga, altium, etc software 01:31:48 And games 01:31:53 thats about all it offeres IMO 01:32:21 That's always pissed me off, all the digital design stuff is on Windows 01:32:28 Yeah it's stupid. 01:32:52 rdrop-exit, and all the electronic design stuff 01:33:11 kicad has me covered though IMO 01:33:30 altium is pretty nice, kinda.. but I still think I am more productive with kicad 01:33:49 jsoft, well youre damn good with it 01:34:10 even if kicad is for ladyboys 01:34:18 lol fuuuuuuuck up tpbsd :P 01:34:29 My wife uses Windows 01:35:02 rdrop-exit, exactly my point, Windows if for females 01:35:09 if = is 01:35:59 For home computers I'm now mainly Mac 01:36:10 * tpbsd thinks jsoft is probably hiding in his safe space now, crying 01:38:45 I used to have mainly FreeBSD and Linux 01:39:03 then onto the mac ? 01:39:32 tpbsd, why would I do that, Im watching a tractor world speed record attempt 01:39:43 Sorry, brittish record 01:39:43 Once you open a terminal it's all POSIX, so it's a good comprimise for a home computer 01:40:39 jsoft, you wouldnt, Im stiring 01:40:59 oh. because I was secretely crying in my safe space there, for a moment 01:41:01 My last 3 Macs were given to me free, so I'm happy to use them 01:41:06 hahahahaah 01:41:27 rdrop-exit, the FreeBSD devs all use mac laptops Ive been told 01:42:00 There's chunks of FreeBSD in the MacOS, at least there used to be 01:42:39 For terminal based work you can't really tell the difference 01:43:06 --- quit: cheater (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01:43:47 I'd like to try NetBSD on my next box 01:43:52 yeah, Im not a OS zealot, but I do hate Windows 01:45:01 I'm getting further and further out of touch with the Windows world 01:45:55 same, I havent used windows since 1997, but the complaints I see online from the windows users havent changed much 01:46:01 The only reason I'd use a Windows box is for FPGA stuff, which is not a priority for me at the moment 01:46:09 rdrop-exit, netbsd even... fark, aint touched that in ages 01:46:24 I understand, thats why I dont do FPGA's and never will 01:47:09 rdrop-exit, is netbsd even really alive still ? 01:47:20 My interest in NetBSD is to check out their Rump Kernel, something none of the other Unices have. 01:48:08 It's still around, used mainly by the Retro community, since it's the easiest to port on funky hardware 01:48:24 NetBSD is the only system I got to work on my 386. 01:48:38 It has one of the smallest user bases of all the Unices 01:48:45 Yeah I ran it on 4mb of ram as a dialup firewall/gateway 01:48:46 Except MS-DOS and Minix 01:49:17 Minix missed the boat long ago 01:49:25 I ended up using openbsd for my firewall/server stuff for a long time 01:49:31 jsoft, netbsd will always be around I think 01:49:49 I wrote my first driver for netbsd 01:49:56 Some.. lcd thing 01:50:04 jsoft, woo you a programmer! 01:50:04 like those 16x2 or whatever they were things 01:50:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rump_kernel 01:50:38 tpbsd, yeah.. I am kind of a rock star over here. 01:51:42 we are not worthy 01:51:55 hah :D 01:52:06 But yeah, point being netbsd was quite easy to learn from 01:52:14 Its quite a clean code base 01:52:23 They kinda need more developers 01:52:39 I volunteer you 01:52:52 Nah, ive got bourbon to be drinking 01:53:16 openbsd is pretty wicked on the IT/server front though 01:53:22 Very cool OS. 01:53:36 Its kind of annoying having to upgrade it every 6 months/year though 01:54:04 But basic shit like chrooted everything is very nice 01:54:15 Like their httpd chroot shenanigans is very nice 01:54:25 I volunteer jsoft 01:54:25 And all their packages work nicely with the chrooted httpd 01:54:38 I counter-volunteer tpbsd 01:54:55 For anything security sensitive, OpenBSD seems the way to go 01:54:56 bah 01:55:09 rdrop-exit, its very nice. 01:55:13 For anything funky, NetBSD 01:55:16 rdrop-exit, but also as a generic server, its fucking nice. 01:55:49 rdrop-exit, the only complaint I have is they are always developing, and so it has a 6 month release cycle 01:56:10 And thats actually annoying when you just want to leave a server sitting there 01:56:16 So I use debian now 01:56:24 Only because I am extremely lazy 01:57:51 The nice thing about NetBSD is you can go "bare metal" and use their device drivers and/or filesystem without the OS, just linked in directly to a custom app. 01:58:16 How do you mean 01:58:57 That's what the Rump Kernel's about, you can leverage it without the rest. 01:58:59 rdrop-exit, jspft still thinks "bare metal" means oiling his rifle 01:59:30 rdrop-exit, what do you mean, 'the rest' 02:00:51 isn't the rump kernel's success just pure arse ? 02:00:53 Basically you can go OS-less, and still reuse their drivers. 02:02:02 https://www.usenix.org/system/files/login/articles/login_1410_03_kantee.pdf 02:02:18 So it's kind of like.... a driver library basically 02:02:35 And what, you can do all the multi tasking shit yourself? Or waht ? 02:03:56 Whatever you want basically, the rump kernel just gives you access to any of their existing device drivers and even filesystem should you want it. 02:04:29 rdrop-exit, it's a general purpose kernel ? 02:05:18 It's a layer giving you access to devide drivers and/or filesystem. 02:05:27 Without the OS. 02:05:59 Useful for things like dedicated appliances. 02:06:41 well it still needs hardware 02:07:04 of course 02:10:45 They call the concept Anykernel 02:12:20 You could for example have a Forth be your OS like in the old days of pre-DOS Forths 02:13:15 They stopped doing standalone bare-metal PC Forths because of the drivers. 02:14:42 With a rump kernel you can leverage any NetBSD drivers without using NetBSD as your OS. 02:15:20 Intrestings 02:18:04 It's interesting as a way of making dedicated PC based appliances, where it's just your code + their drivers. 02:18:46 Well they kinda inveted the cross compiling of packages with their... pkgsrc IRC 02:18:48 IIRC 02:20:09 Have a look at that pdf link 02:21:39 Have to give the dogs a bath, catch you all later, keep on Forthin' :) 02:21:49 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 03:04:40 --- join: cheater joined #forth 03:13:42 ew netbsd 03:14:07 crab1, dont like netbsd ? 03:14:39 crab1, what did your dad have to say about a scope, maybe he can help you get a cheap one ? 03:15:10 crab1, actually the lower end RIGOL scopes are bearable and have impressive bandwidth 03:18:17 My distaste for NetBSD is probably a stretch, but I still feel distaste for it 03:18:47 I am not able to call my dad until later today, in another 6-10 hours 03:18:50 thats cool, we all have our peth likes and sislikes 03:19:02 -h 03:20:24 the NetBSD dislike comes from NetBSD has connections to MINIX and MINIX is used in IME and I am not a fan of IME 03:21:47 I've never had anything to do with IME, I had netbsd on some hardware and it worked ok but Ive never installed it 03:22:57 crab1, you seem to have a reasonable hardware understanding 03:23:08 crab1, your dads influence ? 03:24:47 Maybe some, but definitely not directly, it rarely comes up as a topic of discussion between us and as far as my dad would know I am a "software guy" 03:25:13 well you dont seem like a software only guy to me 03:25:15 So there's probably influence, I just can't guess how much is him and how much is the presence of computers in my life 03:25:58 I would like to involve myself in hardware too, but I definitely know more about software 03:25:59 i mean as a rf guy, your dad is at the pinnacle of hardware magic 03:26:21 no one beats a RF guy when it comes to hardware 03:26:31 that's true 03:26:56 they have all the black magic voodo spells 03:27:15 I do a lot of analog but my rf is pretty meh 03:27:32 but it's not non existent 03:27:48 I make RF attenuators, connect up diplexers etc 03:28:16 Ive made a SWR meter using dial port couplers and rf diodes 03:28:26 dial = dual 03:28:51 Ive made my own striplines and shielded boxes 03:29:05 but most of RF is still magic to me 03:29:21 They do some crazy shit, there's a drone racing league called DRL and they had to make the thing they mount on the drones that transmits video from the drone, realtime and in HD, but has to be really tiny since any weight will fuck with the drone 03:30:09 I think he was involved in a project with a pacemaker that is powered by body heat so you don't have to replace it 03:30:12 yeah I can imagine 03:30:15 crazy shit 03:30:21 military stuff too 03:30:26 nice 03:30:47 he's in a small company, so they end up doing a large variety of commissioned work 03:30:56 + consultation I think 03:31:10 Ive always specialised in analog, that has it's own skills 03:31:32 Analog just sounds more fun to me than digital 03:31:37 but one must also do digital these days, so Ive done that also since 1974 03:32:01 analog is like artistry, digital is like a meccanno set 03:32:50 I'm here because I'm hardware guy who uses Forth 03:32:57 not because I'm a programmer 03:33:33 well, forth and hardware are often associated, and for good reason 03:34:09 absolutely 03:34:26 I used to use machine code, assembly then C 03:34:39 now it's Forth and assembly/machine code 03:34:46 I've hit a road block with my forth 03:35:41 I have no idea how to make a forth, Im just a Forth user 03:36:02 haven't written one? 03:37:22 no, probably never will 03:37:44 I'm a electronics tech, I make gear 03:38:07 I'm no more likely to make a Forth than build my own digital scope 03:38:26 I couldn't sit there using forth and never make one, I have a burning desire to make everything 03:38:54 and if I could one day say that all the things I use, I made, I would be a very happy person 03:38:55 I do do, but I see Forth as a tool, like a pair of pliers or a soldering iron 03:39:16 I have a milling machine and no desire to make one of those, or a lathe 03:39:25 life is too short 03:39:46 well, computing is to me more than a tool 03:39:48 some people make awesome milling machines, not me 03:40:11 sure, software people make code 03:40:15 my system is a sort of little virtual home I guess 03:40:20 I make devices 03:41:02 I'm in the process of making copper rivets atm, thats the kind of stuff I do 03:41:35 in this case tiny rivets for soldering 03:41:37 what are these rivets for? 03:41:40 ah 03:42:16 file:///home/tp/projects/programming-languages/forth/mecrisp-stellaris/mecrisp-unofficial-doc/_build/html/prototyping.html?highlight=prototyping#stm32l053 03:42:19 oops 03:43:03 https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/prototyping.html?highlight=prototyping#stm32l053 03:43:17 thats all old pics but you should get the idea 03:43:36 I'm replacing the vias in pcb prototyping board with copper rivets 03:44:45 and using BGA chips and hand wiring 03:46:10 What is the "island" prototyping method you mentioned earlier 03:46:33 ill find a pic 03:47:11 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 03:49:09 https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/copper-islands.jpg?w=470 03:49:28 it's used in RF work 03:49:37 and lots of other prototyping 03:49:58 the above pic is very neat, far neater than most island proto work 03:51:04 how is it done 03:51:25 it's also known as "Manhattan-Style construction" 03:52:08 they use a cutter to cut out the copper circles, but mine are rectangular and done with a knife or dremel tool 03:52:09 copper sheet on something, then you cut out bits to use as contact points and then solder stuff, right? 03:54:09 http://www.sdmakersguild.org/the-art-of-manhattan-style-circuit-construction/ 03:54:15 it's just PCB material 03:54:26 thats right 03:54:58 but it has many advantages over the current 'solderless protoboards' and 'dupont patch cables' 03:55:25 'solderless protoboards' and 'dupont patch cables' = arduno quality 03:55:32 Arduino i mean 03:56:13 in rf and analog, a low noise environment is king, and for that a 'ground plane' is essential 03:56:42 this is provided by the bottom copper layer under the top 'island' construction 03:57:09 this can never be achieved with 'solderless protoboards' and 'dupont patch cables' 03:57:30 bottom copper layer? 03:58:36 yep, thats a 'dual sided pcb' 03:58:47 mine are more like this: https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/lm4871-amplifiers-2018-05-08-06-40-24.jpg?resize=400,309 03:59:14 so you have copper sheets on either side of the pcb material? 03:59:15 such construction is infinetly preferable to breadboards 03:59:24 yes, thats what a pcb is 03:59:47 the copper is usually electro deposited and the thickness controlled 04:00:27 the bit in the middle is known as the "substrate" and can be phenolic, fibreclass, glass, teflon etc 04:00:28 so would you purchase the plates and pcb already assembled or do you buy sheets buy pcb and then adhere the copper to the pcb 04:00:40 you buy the board premade 04:00:45 where 04:00:56 sorry so many questions 04:00:58 many places, I'll find a example 04:01:02 no problemo 04:03:52 https://au.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vector/12X12WE?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtgbBHFKsFQghG%252BRzMUcjiF5sipKGLLFe4%3D 04:04:13 these guys are very expensive but thats a pcb material 04:04:47 oops! 04:05:03 thats a 12" x 12" firbeglass substrate, no copper 04:06:59 https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/phenolic-material-pcb.html 04:07:12 that shows a bunch of Chinese pcb sellers 04:08:01 and some pcb info: https://www.seeedstudio.com/blog/2017/03/23/pcb-material/ 04:13:53 thank you, sir 04:14:19 pleasure 04:14:38 your dad would be a expert here of course 04:14:52 he probably has racks of exotic pcb material at work 04:15:17 even I have double sided teflon pcb material rated at 5ghz 04:15:25 unfortunately, he lives far away, so I probably can't "borrow" any 04:15:33 it's so thin it's flexible 04:15:44 I'm sure he could post some to you :) 04:16:35 if you start this way instead of wasting your time with crap 'solderless protoboards' and 'dupont patch cables' your knowledge will proceed much faster 04:17:31 it looks more fun too 04:17:37 plus your prototypes will still be in one piece in 40 years to show your kids 04:17:46 or granskids 04:17:52 grandkids etc 04:18:10 it's slower, but this is the *right* way to design a prototype 04:19:28 for instance you will often see arduino users deriding their chips for having too much noise in their ADC systems, when in fact theyre using cheap $2 premade boards from china 04:19:50 and those boards are noise death to ADC's 04:20:06 ADC=? 04:20:23 use the same chip in a 'manhattan' pcb proto and the noise will be 10 - 100x less 04:20:31 analog to digital converter 04:21:43 when I was about 22 I had to design a low noise microphone amplifier and I used a typical audio amplifier chip 04:22:51 the noise was so bad it was useless for it's purpose which was a piezo microphone inside a specual mechanical watch cradle so that a waychmaker could listen to the mechanical noises of a watch 04:23:06 thats what they used to do once 04:23:26 each watch tick conveyed a ton of info to a skilled watchmaker 04:23:59 so a friend suggested I make a amplifier using the methods above with discrete transistors, no IC's 04:24:13 this was such a success all the watchmakers wanted one 04:24:52 there was literally 0% noise and the TICKS of a watch could be heard metres away from the earphone at full volume 04:25:18 in fact it was so loud, the watchmaker to first use it turned up the volume 100% then turned it on 04:25:45 cause thats what he was used to with the usual valve amplifier in those systems 04:26:14 I recall I heard TICK ! TICK! so loud from his earphone as he ripped it out his ear 04:26:24 and he yelled &*&^%$%^$#% 04:31:03 damn 04:31:30 I gotta cut this conversation short, I need to get some sleep before I let this day go any further 04:31:34 no problemo 04:31:40 cya! 04:31:55 but thank you for the links, I appreciate advice, knowledge shared 04:32:09 dont mention it :) 04:32:16 happy forthing 04:45:26 --- quit: cantstanya (Remote host closed the connection) 04:47:50 --- join: cantstanya joined #forth 04:53:51 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05:00:31 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 05:14:16 --- quit: xek_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05:39:49 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 07:28:22 --- quit: proteus-guy (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 07:39:41 --- join: learning joined #forth 08:40:53 --- quit: learning () 09:01:56 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 09:20:37 --- join: Kumool joined #forth 09:34:06 --- join: ryke joined #forth 10:02:31 --- join: f-a joined #forth 10:36:51 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11:57:18 --- join: xek_ joined #forth 12:17:49 --- quit: f-a (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12:19:10 --- join: f-a joined #forth 12:20:25 --- quit: f-a (Client Quit) 12:21:14 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12:35:27 --- join: inode joined #forth 12:44:22 Good afternoon, #forth 13:11:37 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13:33:55 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13:41:04 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 13:53:08 good afternoom 14:36:47 --- quit: crab1 (Quit: WeeChat 2.6) 14:45:40 --- join: Lord_Nightmare joined #forth 14:51:14 --- join: jjn joined #forth 14:52:02 --- quit: jjn (Remote host closed the connection) 15:11:49 --- quit: xek_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15:55:12 g'day Forthlings 15:57:04 --- quit: Lord_Nightmare (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 16:07:33 --- join: Lord_Nightmare joined #forth 16:20:34 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 17:44:54 --- join: rdrop-exit joined #forth 17:57:19 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 17:57:22 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 18:15:02 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 18:15:31 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 18:33:19 37,31 C 18:33:19 99,16 F 18:51:13 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:53:23 --- join: X-Scale joined #forth 19:02:33 hot hot hot 19:03:00 yeah, and will be 39C on friday 19:04:03 It's only 31C here 19:05:17 at 99% RH ? 19:05:47 probably :) 19:07:19 which is pretty horrible. I've lived in 40C areas for decades where the humidity was 15% and it was quite pleasant 19:07:47 humidity really seems to amplify the temperature 19:08:07 true 19:09:11 Summers on the French Riviera have the perfect combination 19:09:32 awesome, I'll move there immediately! 19:10:46 I don't mind humidity, but I do mind cold 19:11:32 I won't reside anywhere where I have to wear pants 19:11:35 :) 19:13:35 dont get any complaints from local females as you walk around with no pants ? 19:14:06 live in a nudist colony ? 19:14:56 Long pants to be exact, I do wear short pants :) 19:15:46 I only wear long pants for travel, or formal events 19:16:22 ;-) 19:28:43 Implementing the RISC-V R32A optional atomic instructions while I wait for the kids to visit 19:59:48 39,68 C 19:59:48 103,43 F 20:07:01 keep cool 20:07:47 it's under 40 :) 20:48:56 hey guys 20:49:12 hey tabemann 20:50:11 it never gets really too hot/humid here; there are occasional muggy days at 90F+, but those are rare 20:51:13 whee is here ? 20:51:17 where 20:51:32 what is really bothersome here is when it gets < 0 F here, but this winter at least has been quite mild 20:51:36 Wisconsin 20:52:01 37,56 C 20:52:02 99,72 F now as a breeze from the sea has started 20:52:52 perfect use of Forth - running your own weather station 20:54:35 nice, I know a retired mathematician who lives out that way 20:55:01 it's just a temperature sensor hanging of a STM32F103 atm 20:55:50 I know, but it would be nice to build a weather station driven by Forth 20:58:26 yeah, Forth would be a ideal platform 20:58:49 as per any small embedded device 21:00:17 my friend lives in SW Michigan 21:03:47 but our geolocator project shows him living in the middle of Lake Winnebago 22:10:26 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22:11:56 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 22:30:14 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 22:57:16 --- join: crab1 joined #forth 22:57:25 Hiya 23:37:36 --- join: iyzsong-x joined #forth 23:38:39 --- quit: iyzsong (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/20.01.04