00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.12.18 00:15:53 tp, bye! 00:15:57 oh. 00:16:39 wakie wakie jsoft ! 00:16:50 AHh hello 00:17:54 Man I cannot seem to find the fucks to give to this code I am supposed to be cutting 00:18:09 Garrrgh 00:18:32 yeah I know the feeling 00:18:50 code is always like work for me, but then Im a technician 00:20:05 but hey, people have dl 14 copies of my STM32F103C8-DIAGNOSTICS.bin and it seems to be working for them 00:20:15 I mostly like coding. 00:20:32 but for some reason I cannot be arsed coding the same thing in a different way this time. 00:20:41 Mostly because china dicked me about by changing their firmware. 00:20:53 I can understand that 00:21:16 I hate doing things twice when it's someone elses fault 00:21:28 https://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_pss_a50.htm need to resist buying this 00:21:32 I'm not that fond of it even when it's my fault 00:21:35 after xmas it will probably cheaper 00:21:37 (ot) 00:24:15 f-a, youre a musician ? 00:24:33 not really I just enjoy fiddling with keyboards 00:24:51 http://ariis.it/static/articles/renditions/page.html like this 00:30:23 Potato. 00:48:19 get back to your coding! 00:50:22 I DONT WANT TO! :( 00:51:04 f-a: plug in a tone decoder to the computer (or just use a mike), then put a label on each of the keys: DROP, DUP, SWAP, +, ... -- best(?) of both worlds 00:51:49 haha 00:51:56 Robert, sheer genius! 00:52:02 there are folks who "chord-write' 00:52:38 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Astiera_stenografica_Michela_splittabile.jpg 00:52:40 "in search of the lost Word" ! 00:54:07 I wonder if that would be a good way to get the kids to code a bit 00:54:20 Robert: games? 00:54:35 a pocket calc? 00:54:37 Sound-coding 00:55:07 She already likes calculators, but my old TI has some horrible BASIC version. 00:55:20 Robert: anything will do 00:55:29 Basic is good for some things 00:55:40 Yes, but a bit much syntax for a 4 year old I think. 00:56:15 =D let them play with an abacus at 4 00:57:37 BASIC!!! dont do it to your kids! 00:57:54 anything but basic! 00:58:03 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 00:58:14 come on it ain't bad 00:58:41 it rotted my brains, granted I didnt have a lot to start with 00:59:13 Yeah, I started with BASIC and I no too much sufr brein dmage 00:59:25 Robert, I say give the 4 year old different things and let them show you what they can do ? 00:59:29 heheh 01:00:29 Probably the most important thing is to get them something very tangible to play with. I got her writing with a simple Python wrapper to Google's text-to-speech 01:00:51 Not sure exactly what a 4 year old would want to code though 01:01:21 I have a daughter with a eidetic memory, she was always surprising me even as a infant 01:01:40 she would hear a song on the radio once and then hum it all the way thru 01:02:09 and if I tried it in earshot and got a note wrong, she would scream at me like I was some kind of criminal 01:02:16 Hehe 01:02:58 That's certainly a plus. But in this case I think the main problem is the lack of attention typical of the age. 01:03:10 And I guess limited abstract thinking. 01:03:16 sh was dux of her school every year, got straight A's for everything, chem, calculus, science etc 01:04:10 I had her assembling thru hole pcb boards for me at about age 4, and she never made a single mistake 01:04:36 Not sure I'd trust her with a soldering iron, hehe. 01:05:10 I only let her play with copper tape circuits. 01:05:11 i never tried that but if anything I regret not giving her more diverse things to do 01:05:48 I eventually realised that I wasnt capable of imagining her limits, shes simple far smarter than me 01:06:55 so you never know 01:06:58 --- join: dys joined #forth 01:07:00 Thats cool 01:07:10 what interests you may bore her and vice versa 01:07:27 shes even a better revolver shot than me, and thats really annoying! 01:08:32 she likes programming android apps, keeps telling me shes interested in forth, but doesnt have the time right now 01:08:54 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01:09:24 I did teach her to read 25 words by age 5 playing the 'reading game' 01:09:38 she loved it so much it drove me crazy 01:09:44 Words as in English or Forth? 01:10:08 just typical english words, I didnt know any Forth back then 01:10:24 mother, father, home, school etc 01:10:50 I really recommend that game for a young child 01:12:01 it's 25 words in three versions, a big red version, a smaller black version and a smaller black version 01:12:01 tp, I assume you have set up the urban warfare server? 01:12:02 :D 01:12:26 private jsoft, what do you do when you ASSUME ? ! 01:13:00 I dunno, I drink a bourbon and wait for an answer to the question 01:13:17 you make a ASS out of U and ME ! 01:13:26 How's that then 01:13:48 i learnt that from some american sailors 01:14:05 Yeah but they were playing with words, where the action, where is the server? :) 01:14:43 I can neither confirm or deny that I have, or have not a Urban Terror Server 01:14:49 --- part: f-a left #forth 01:15:05 What are you, a vegan woman now ? 01:15:30 I had lunch with one, bony sunken eyed thing she is 01:15:46 lol. 01:16:12 tho shes only vegetarian she tells me because she hasnt taken on the full religion 01:16:16 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01:16:33 I just learnt one of the lads at work is a vegan, I it did not corss my mind but seems obvious now. The most skinny guy there 01:16:38 aged 50, divorced, 13 cats .... 01:17:00 Hello Forthers 01:17:05 Hello you 01:17:24 hey mtsd how is the ice hole fishing atm ? 01:17:45 are the eels running yet ? 01:18:40 jsoft, save that guy for when some one has to infiltrate up a drain pipe ? 01:19:28 Probably fine, up north at least. Here, we have a strange mix of rain and snow at the same time 01:19:46 and we have neither :( 01:20:00 Eels are ready for christmas dinners :) 01:20:19 awesome! 01:20:59 tp, or put him in a pipe, and blow him out of it like a blow dart towards the enemy 01:21:21 the human dart! 01:21:58 The human target 01:22:06 I'm going to ponder and poke him now 01:22:26 I am older than he is, so I can give him shit about his lack of physical abilities 01:23:08 In fact I am older than most of my peers 01:23:11 I work for a non-profit organisation. Plenty of vegans here. Not me though, never will be 01:23:29 Veganisim is a large mistake 01:23:52 I agree. 100 % 01:24:37 i dont have any peers, they all died of old age 01:26:06 yeah, if you were meant to eat cellulose you'd have 7 stomachs 01:26:28 I just have no stomach for eating grass myself 01:27:26 damn, I wish Hackaday would hurry up! 01:29:11 ANd do what 01:29:35 publish my sneaky Forth hack! 01:29:38 It is not possible to survive on plants alone here. Nothing grows for a large part of the year 01:29:54 You need a support network of globalist trade to be a vegan here.. 01:29:58 I honestly do not think its possible to survive on plants, period 01:30:05 mtsd, that makes sense 01:30:38 I've survived on only grass for months! 01:30:57 of course I let a cow eat the grass first, then I ate the cow 01:30:57 Oh yep. 01:31:02 lol 01:31:45 that way I can survive on grass and not need 7 stomachs! 01:32:48 when vegetarians say that Im not a meat eater because I dont have massive canines I tell them thats because my dogs have them instead 01:33:18 Why do we need massive canines for 01:33:50 meat eaters usually have them 01:34:12 *shrug* 01:34:22 For latching on, I guess 01:34:25 it's a common vegan argument 01:34:33 and tearing the meat etc 01:34:42 Meanwhile.. fucking BANG, gotchaya 01:34:50 uncooked meat is hard to rip apart 01:35:11 hahah, but the "stick that goes boom' is only a recent invention 01:35:16 I found ya back flat teeth are best for that 01:35:27 Ok, fucking ARROW! 01:35:31 Or fucking SPEAR! 01:35:32 Or whatever 01:35:45 In other words, BRAINS 01:35:47 or a vegan warrior ? 01:36:12 Lol, what, assaulting a vege patch for a 10 second burst ? 01:36:14 first ya gotta fine people with them ? 01:36:24 no for spearing a animal with 01:36:29 The teeth argument.. yes.. 01:36:42 --- join: dys joined #forth 01:36:43 I had vampire fang things 01:36:46 Have, i mean 01:37:02 We don't have all flat teeth either, like grass eating animals 01:37:10 exactly 01:37:13 but eating meat I find the back teeth, which I can grip on to the meat, and the tear it with my hands, is more practical 01:37:17 Rip tendons or wahtever 01:37:19 we are actually omnivores 01:37:29 but we are made for meat imho 01:37:44 tp, carnivores with a reluctant herbivore backup 01:37:55 jsoft, absolutely 01:38:03 A hard time to get the right amount of proteins etc from vegetables alone 01:38:04 vegetables are shithouse. 01:38:21 mtsd, absolutely 01:38:24 mtsd, what even do vegetables give if you already have meat ? 01:38:27 I like vegies 01:39:16 jsoft, vegies are rich in vitamin V 01:39:16 I aint going to lie, I like the taste of some vegies too. 01:39:40 jsoft, ever eat any fruit ? 01:39:42 Me too, I just don't want to try and live from veggies alone 01:39:47 tp, nope 01:40:01 Thats actually one thing I don't eat at all 01:40:16 I cannot remember the last time I ate fruit 01:40:24 mtsd, same here, meat is important to me 01:40:53 I do eat quite a lot of fruit. But not ONLY fruit. 01:41:04 mtsd, Cross to the meat side, ditch vegetables for the poison they are, and scoff ya fatty meats and veges and such 01:41:11 meats and eggs, I mean :P 01:41:25 Meats and eggs are good :) 01:41:28 jsoft, the chickens are all froxen for winter 01:41:31 frozen 01:41:44 Chicken is kind of a shit meat IMO 01:41:58 they have to wait for the chickens to thaw out in summer to get any eggs 01:42:00 I think beef is the business 01:42:34 * tp has 3kg of rump steak in the freezer! 01:42:48 tp, ive only got 1kg :( 01:43:11 and 1kg in the fridge ready for 1/3 to be consumed tomorrow! 01:43:43 it's currently $13/kg here, and excellent meat 01:45:26 Hmmm. 01:45:34 My fav is ribeye 01:45:58 Costs about $25-$30 for a kg 01:46:03 But is GLORIOUS\ 01:58:38 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 02:27:11 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 02:41:32 --- join: rdrop-exit joined #forth 02:46:32 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 02:59:38 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 03:12:55 --- quit: WickedShell (Remote host closed the connection) 03:25:08 Oi tp 03:42:25 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04:01:51 --- quit: rprimus (Remote host closed the connection) 04:09:02 --- quit: iyzsong (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 04:09:25 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 04:12:41 --- join: rprimus joined #forth 04:52:59 jsoft: i'm a vegan and i'm alive 04:54:53 it's possible to eat living without meat or animal products 04:56:29 according to all the studies and medical professionals i've talked to it's possible, so... myth busted? 04:58:11 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 04:58:57 saying it's a mistake is bizarre 05:00:46 --- quit: iyzsong (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 05:01:06 Jookia, sure its posible. 05:01:20 Jookia, But for how long. 05:01:32 until you die of old age? 05:01:59 Jookia, Or essentially starvation 05:02:11 sounds made up 05:02:15 Mm ok 05:02:24 if you have any kind of studies i'm interested to know 05:02:32 Classic 05:02:40 or if you're a nutritionist 05:03:10 Well, Not studies as such. But lots of ex vegans, random people, etc, at meatheals.com. and meatrx.com 05:03:31 so, nothing scientific? 05:04:38 lol 05:05:18 Its about as scientific, if not more so, than vegan claims 05:05:51 But sure, slap about scientific stuff all you want. 05:05:57 You know your diet sucks :P 05:06:07 what even 05:06:18 so apparently i'm just going to starve somehow for some unknown reason 05:06:20 Yeah yeah save the animals or whatever. 05:06:24 according to you 05:06:30 You will waste away. 05:06:39 with no reason why 05:07:03 Based on every other long term vegan. 05:07:39 i know many long term vegans and they haven't died or wasted away 05:07:54 what's the actual mechanism for starvation here 05:08:11 what nutrition am i not getting, or does my body just go 'omg no meat' and kill itself 05:08:21 In summary, yes, lack of meat. 05:08:28 And fat 05:08:32 ANIMAL fat 05:08:39 and so what nutrients are missing? 05:09:43 is it something that isn't showing up on my blood tests? 05:09:53 how do you measure this? etc 05:10:33 :) 05:11:04 ? 05:11:28 you're happy about this? 05:11:57 Well, when you get sick of eating and not feeling like you have eating something worth while, and once you get sick of not being able to focus, have physical endurance, ailments, etc, then start thinking about eating some nice, deluxe, fatty meat. 05:12:12 I am very happy about eating meat. 05:12:34 i really enjoy what i eat 05:12:41 Cool 05:16:52 --- part: Jookia left #forth 05:23:42 --- quit: siraben (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 05:23:55 --- quit: nonlinear[m] (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 05:24:19 --- quit: jimt[m] (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 05:25:51 one of my daughters is vegan 05:25:53 --- quit: cheater (Quit: Reconnecting) 05:26:18 --- join: cheater joined #forth 05:27:09 she's pretty healthy so far (she's a high fashion model) 05:28:11 I like meat, but my cardiologist rations my intake 05:31:05 my other daughter eats anything 05:31:33 as do my sons 05:31:35 You can get away with a vegna diet for a time 05:32:08 And model != healthy 05:32:59 she's always been very healthy and fit 05:33:26 What does fit mean 05:33:37 Whats your definition of that 05:34:26 I was I guess suprised to learn there was a vegan amongst the lads just today 05:34:58 But not surprised that he is also the skinniest, weakest, and poorest performing of everone 05:35:02 Including women 05:35:05 if you're careful with regards to nutrition, any diet can work 05:35:11 lots of gym time, lots of physical activity, no fat 05:35:16 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 05:35:27 Again, that does not equal healthy at all 05:35:38 Nor fit 05:37:26 never sick, active lifestyle, great feedback from doctors 05:37:27 crc, you need to do outrageous levels of supplements as a vegan to get a semplance of nutrition 05:37:42 When doing pyhsical things 05:38:06 rdrop-exit, never sick is good I guess :) 05:38:41 ;) 05:39:00 it must also mean she is young 05:39:12 23 IIRC 05:39:16 lol. 05:39:21 There ya go. 05:39:22 maybe 24 05:39:29 I know many people eating meats that are less healthy than the few vegans I know 05:39:39 crc, meats alone? or meats + shit ? 05:39:50 * crc isn't vegan, though does eat a little to no carb diet 05:40:05 jsoft: meats and vegetables 05:40:06 or shit meat, even 05:40:12 what meats 05:40:19 I'm an omnivore 05:40:32 and ditch the vegetables :D 05:40:36 steak, wild caught fish, and some chicken 05:41:03 but my red meat intake is rationed by my cardiologist 05:41:14 I pretty much only eat meat 05:41:36 Eggs, cheese, milk, etc is the other bits 05:41:50 The most bad thing is bourbon 05:41:57 how old are you? 05:42:00 Bourbon and coke, which is horrendously bad 05:42:09 40 05:42:14 Well pretty much 40 05:42:48 Still young 05:42:53 lol 05:43:13 But old enough to know vegetables are shit :P 05:43:21 See how your cholesterol is in your mid-fifties 05:43:25 Though can be very tasty. 05:43:45 I think cholesterol is good. 05:44:05 Depends which 05:44:41 Go google Shawn Baker if you want an example of a 50+ year old carnivore 05:44:48 - 05:44:54 I eat vegetables, eggs, cheese, and some meats (steak, chicken, pork, and occasionally fish) 05:45:07 Yerp. 05:45:10 I'm sure there are plenty 05:45:14 Ditch vegetables :) 05:45:36 Bloaty, farty, waste of time food items IMO 05:45:47 Anyway, I am getting all food preachy 05:45:51 my great grandfather smoked two packs and died at 98 05:45:53 I should stop doing that 05:45:58 rdrop-exit, so 05:46:08 must have eaten a lot of meat :P 05:46:56 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 05:48:06 I hope it works out for you in the long run, I certainly wish I could eat more meat 05:48:23 especially veal 05:50:16 Why can you not eat veal now ? 05:51:10 It's not that common in the Philippines 05:51:15 Oh ok 05:51:46 neither is wabbit 05:52:46 My condolences 05:54:58 I can't complain, everything else is readily available 05:56:17 and my weights been stable for about 15 years 05:58:11 My weight has gone up lately, i used to be about 72. 73 kg 05:58:25 i think im at 85 now :) 05:58:41 I'm 116 05:58:51 116 kg? 05:58:56 yes 05:59:02 You animal :D 05:59:08 :)) 05:59:13 How tall ? 05:59:24 6'2.5" 05:59:29 Ahh ok 05:59:36 Are you tubby? 06:00:11 no, I just have a gut 06:00:23 lol, tubby then 06:00:51 just the gut, nothing else 06:02:09 You whale :P 06:02:32 out your blow hole :p 06:02:56 :D 06:03:38 Now I feel like eating sushi :) 06:04:14 Sushi is awesome, just chuck out the rice 06:04:48 I'm sure there is a rubbish bin near by 06:04:54 The best sushi place in the country is literaly across the street, hard to resist 06:05:07 Just eat the fish 06:05:33 You know its the good bit! :D 06:05:33 I'm fine either way 06:07:40 I lived in Yokohama for around a year, ate sushi every day 06:08:25 Although San Francisco sushi was just as good and much cheaper 06:14:14 Hmmm 06:16:39 Im hungry 06:54:00 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 07:02:19 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 07:04:33 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 07:31:07 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 07:42:30 --- join: siraben joined #forth 07:42:30 --- join: nonlinear[m] joined #forth 07:42:30 --- join: jimt[m] joined #forth 07:46:32 --- quit: jimt[m] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:46:38 --- quit: nonlinear[m] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:46:49 --- quit: siraben (Remote host closed the connection) 08:00:25 --- nick: reepca` -> reepca 08:05:24 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 08:05:46 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 08:58:35 --- join: MrMobius joined #forth 09:11:23 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09:17:16 --- join: siraben joined #forth 09:17:17 --- join: jimt[m] joined #forth 09:17:17 --- join: nonlinear[m] joined #forth 10:03:44 --- join: ryke joined #forth 10:13:23 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 10:15:54 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 10:17:14 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 11:00:17 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11:47:07 --- quit: remexre (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 13:35:29 --- quit: FatalNIX (*.net *.split) 13:37:21 --- join: FatalNIX joined #forth 13:56:07 --- join: DabsR joined #forth 13:59:28 --- quit: DabsR (Client Quit) 14:09:37 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 14:10:27 --- join: jedb_ joined #forth 14:13:06 --- quit: jedb__ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14:22:27 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 14:52:12 --- join: DabsR joined #forth 14:54:33 --- quit: DabsR (Client Quit) 14:58:46 --- quit: dave0 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:01:02 --- join: WickedShell joined #forth 15:04:02 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 15:12:21 --- join: crab1 joined #forth 15:22:04 evening 15:33:13 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 15:34:25 ' is used to get the address of a word right? 16:18:52 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 16:32:50 crab1, correct 17:11:28 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 17:11:53 --- join: jedb__ joined #forth 17:14:25 --- quit: jedb_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17:34:25 hey guys 17:34:52 hey taberdude! 17:49:14 back 17:49:36 been implementing code to compile instructions 17:59:23 --- quit: crab1 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 18:09:52 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 18:15:07 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 18:21:27 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 18:38:44 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 18:39:11 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 19:58:05 holy cow; currently 48 degC / 118.4F in Ceduna South Australia ! 20:14:10 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 20:24:58 --- join: ryke joined #forth 20:25:19 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 20:26:09 tp, that's getting up there 20:26:21 tp, how's all those fires? Are they still raging? 21:28:34 --- join: [1]MrMobius joined #forth 21:31:54 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 21:32:01 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 21:32:02 --- nick: [1]MrMobius -> MrMobius 22:29:37 --- join: crab1 joined #forth 23:21:58 jsoft, yeah it's very much like NZ, but the opposite polarity ;-) 23:24:02 jsoft, the heat is moving slowly towards me, it will be 40C on sat and sun, was 36C today 23:31:26 --- nick: tp -> tpbsd 23:43:37 --- quit: jedb__ (Remote host closed the connection) 23:43:53 --- join: jedb__ joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/19.12.18