00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.12.11 00:00:06 --- quit: Jookia (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00:19:46 --- quit: WickedShell (Remote host closed the connection) 00:22:10 Did I just eat around about a kg of bacon and eggs? Yes. And it was glorious 00:22:36 holeymoley! 00:23:06 i had a nice big rump n eggs today 00:23:15 about 350g 00:25:28 Awwww yus 00:25:30 Glorious 00:25:43 it was 00:26:07 I had a hard day today though, We had to go to the beach and play cricket, volleyball, and touch. We even had to eat some BBQ. 00:26:16 So I think I earnt it :P 00:26:38 the things our masters drive us to do ... no respite! 00:26:38 Somebody's got to put the work in! :D 00:27:21 I got me a tan though 00:27:59 at tan at 9C ? 00:28:30 or are you having another 23C heatwave over there ? 00:29:40 29,50 C 00:29:40 84,87 F @73% RH at 1920 hrs here 00:30:12 in soaked in sweat from making some tooling on the milling machine 00:48:07 lol 00:51:37 and a nice big storm is blowing in just like last night ! 00:51:59 flood incoming? 00:51:59 Auzzie needs to sort it out 00:52:16 Hey TP, ever used HP-15C's or the like? RPN based calculators? 00:52:17 they need to tame emus and kangoroos and the like 00:52:21 and invade their neighbours 00:52:57 Indonesia you mean? 00:53:06 flood ? we wish! 00:53:19 many towns habe run out of water in eastern Australia 00:53:23 have 00:53:46 um, I think invading Indonesia would be a BAD idea 00:54:01 those dudes have SU27's 00:54:45 --- quit: f-a (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:54:46 jsoft, I worshipped those calculators but could never afford one, and my first RPN was in 2014 00:54:47 --- quit: MrMobius (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:54:55 on a Forth chip 00:55:58 ok, Ive just found out that all my STM32F103C8T6 MCU's that report 64kB actually have 128kB with a second 64kB Flash block 00:56:13 double the flash, thats kinda nice 00:57:26 STM was sneaky and used the same die for the STM32F103C8T6 (64kB flash) and the STM32F103CBT6 (128kB Flash) but just marked the STM32F103C8T6 as 64kB 00:57:57 --- join: f-a joined #forth 01:17:27 --- quit: jedb__ (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 01:21:26 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 01:29:01 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 01:29:33 tp, True, I bought two 15C's about...3 or 4 years ago 01:29:51 I love 15c's :D 01:40:40 I worshiped the original HP35 ? but they cost over $700 aud in 1975 ? far more than I could ever afford at the time 01:41:25 engineers had them and occasionally they would let me fondle the keys providing I didn't drool 01:44:59 use a slide rule! 01:53:11 I did ... 01:53:16 Im 65 years old 01:53:40 I learned to use one 01:53:45 and napiers' bones 01:53:49 they are super interesting 01:53:55 and imho still useful in a pinch 01:54:01 I grew up with valves, flower power, *real* music and no tv 01:54:21 I have a half dozen Forth MCUs all connected and ready 01:54:29 I have all the RPN i need ;) 01:55:16 I know you probably had to carve an Abacus out of Narwhale bones in your youth ? 01:55:40 you joke 01:55:41 but 01:55:46 those are awesome instruments 01:56:03 I am not a prepper, but wouldn't it be useful even for kids today to know em in case something bad happens 01:56:04 was I joking ... oh yeah I was :) 01:56:24 nah, theyd starve once they had eaten their friends 01:56:28 =D 01:58:06 free (bytes) 01:58:06 FLASH.. TOTAL REPORTED: 65536 USED: 90228 FREE: -24692 01:58:06 RAM.... TOTAL PRESET: 20000 USED: 888 FREE: 19112 01:58:35 mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 01:58:37 ohh look, a STM32F102C8T6 reports 64kB Flash but actually has 128kB flash! 01:59:04 sneaky STM! 02:39:31 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 02:39:42 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 03:04:01 --- join: jedb joined #forth 03:58:33 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04:15:12 --- quit: iyzsong (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 04:36:50 --- quit: Jookia (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04:38:45 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 04:41:34 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04:41:55 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 04:42:33 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 04:54:08 --- join: f-a_ joined #forth 04:57:02 --- quit: f-a (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04:58:00 --- quit: f-a_ (Client Quit) 04:58:15 --- join: f-a joined #forth 05:26:46 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 07:35:39 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 08:28:26 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 08:39:52 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 08:49:23 --- join: ryke joined #forth 08:54:23 --- quit: f-a (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:58:29 --- join: f-a joined #forth 09:06:08 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 09:10:42 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 09:14:26 --- join: FatalNIX joined #forth 09:15:18 What might the implementation of ( look like? I have seen it before, but I don't think it used accept. I was curious how others may think of it 09:17:46 KEY maybe 09:21:10 : ( BEGIN 41 KEY = UNTIL ; 09:21:30 nope XD 09:21:36 '('? As in for stack comments? 09:21:36 --- part: f-a left #forth 09:21:43 You're probably thinking of PARSE 09:22:06 I'm very sure it didn't use parse, the one I looked at, but let me check that 09:22:40 I suppose you could use that 09:22:53 If it's older, it could have used WORD 09:23:15 hm 09:24:07 If you found a definition for ( that uses KEY, I'd probably steer clear of anything written by the same person 09:24:37 so : ( 41 TIB WORD ; works 09:24:47 ahaha 09:25:09 Is that the definition you were looking for? 09:25:45 It could be. It sounds familiar. I have some wonders about "what happens when the TIB exhausts" 09:26:03 or can it 09:26:28 FatalNIX: http://forth.works/share/01b002653a7176620204cb8fea06d929 09:26:28 has the gforth and cmforth implementations of ( 09:27:06 oh wow 09:27:08 complicated :D 09:27:34 cmforth's was simple; gforth's is complicated 09:27:59 yes. 09:28:28 so cmforth's word doesn't appear to take two stack elements 09:28:47 What's the second argument that your WORD takes? 09:28:59 an address, which is why I put TIB 09:29:01 Also, I've never seen \ before, interesting word 09:29:06 yeah me neither 09:29:19 perhaps cmforth's WORD is more acurate 09:29:32 It's specifically for skipping over areas of the TIB, so pretty handy 09:29:32 because WORD should read from terminal input according to some resources 09:29:45 hmm 09:30:33 WORD and other similar parsing words shouldn't really be device-aware. That's up to whatever word fills up the TIB 09:30:44 yep 09:33:05 Oh wait, I have seen \. I'm an idiot 09:33:40 It's just a regular line comment. Which makes cmforth's definition of ( that much more confusing 09:34:39 I'd blame it on it being early in the morning, but it's already 11:30am and I've had two cups of coffee 09:35:10 no; in cmforth \ isn't a line comment 09:35:42 Oh? 09:35:45 COMPILER : \ 2 -' IF DROP ABORT" ?" THEN ,A ; 09:36:13 iirc, it's more like [compile] or postpone 09:36:38 from the shadow block: 09:36:40 \ compiles a following compiler directive (that would normally 09:36:40 be executed). Named [COMPILE] in FORTH-83. 09:36:49 interesting 09:36:53 How old is cmforth? 09:39:16 1987 09:39:52 it was for chuck's novix processor 09:41:11 http://forth.works/share/8ff0a8605d3584c08ecdd98e7647df0b 09:41:11 for the source and http://forth.works/share/678ed9cd3a50b280571c385c5d555c9c 09:41:11 for the shadow blocks (converted to standard text files) 09:42:39 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:42:56 --- quit: deesix (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 09:44:51 --- join: deesix joined #forth 09:52:09 Ah ok, that explains it somewhat then 09:52:42 I love Forth's history, it's so interesting to me 09:55:08 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 10:03:49 I enjoy looking at older and less conventional implementations for ideas 11:17:59 --- join: WickedShell joined #forth 11:30:54 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 12:58:10 I just upgraded my computer at home to Windows 98 12:58:21 It runs really well on a pentium II 12:58:39 However I noticed that firefox 2 can't connect to any SSL websites 12:58:55 it seems that they have changed ciphers or something to something mine can't support 13:00:56 I was impressed I got gforth working on FreeDOS quite well 13:01:09 The problem is it had some memory issues iirc 13:01:14 I crashed it a bunch 13:06:55 FatalNIX: setup a web rendering proxy on a cheap vps and you can use modern sites and ssl on very old browsers 13:06:56 https://github.com/tenox7/wrp 13:08:09 (I've not used this in a few years, but it worked ok when I last ran it...) 13:11:26 OH WOW 13:11:31 I have been looking to make something like that 13:11:46 I have my own VPSes 13:11:58 ramnode gets me reliable ones for like $3 a piece LOL 13:13:18 windows 3.1 lol wtf 13:13:25 tat is hilariousd 13:22:13 --- join: nonlinear joined #forth 13:22:37 --- nick: nonlinear -> Guest6606 13:23:27 --- nick: Guest6606 -> nonlinear 13:23:56 --- nick: nonlinear -> Guest96979 13:26:38 --- join: NB0X joined #forth 13:28:00 --- nick: NB0X -> nonlinear 13:28:54 --- quit: nonlinear (Quit: Leaving) 13:29:15 --- nick: Guest96979 -> nonlinear 13:29:19 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 13:29:45 --- nick: nonlinear -> Guest18656 13:33:31 --- nick: Guest18656 -> nonlinear 13:34:00 --- nick: nonlinear -> Guest62138 13:40:48 --- nick: Guest62138 -> nonlinear 13:41:17 --- nick: nonlinear -> Guest98546 14:46:42 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 15:21:46 --- quit: Jookia (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15:27:59 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15:31:34 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 15:52:46 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 15:59:53 --- join: ryke joined #forth 16:45:02 --- join: rdrop-exit joined #forth 16:45:21 c[] hello Forthwrights 17:17:02 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 17:26:45 hey guys 17:52:22 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 17:53:23 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 18:05:07 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18:32:57 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 19:01:20 rdrop-exit, g'day Zen Forth Guru! 19:10:56 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 19:14:06 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 19:16:37 --- quit: Jookia (Remote host closed the connection) 19:17:04 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 19:36:59 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:40:56 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 19:48:02 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 19:49:43 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19:56:33 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 20:26:00 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20:46:13 --- join: ryke joined #forth 21:18:43 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 21:31:01 --- join: proteusguy joined #forth 21:31:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 21:31:46 tabemann, g'day! 21:47:17 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 22:27:27 --- quit: proteus-guy (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23:04:07 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 23:26:44 2b 23:26:45 Failed Address: $12000 Data = $55 23:26:45 Failed Address: $12001 Data = $55 23:26:45 Completed scanning $10000 to $1FFFD 23:26:50 --- quit: WickedShell (Remote host closed the connection) 23:27:41 awesome, STM32F103R8T6 'hidden' second 64kB Flash block now blank checkable! 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/19.12.11