00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.12.09 00:06:50 now Ive finally fixed 'the bug' Im back on the RISC-V again :) 00:12:52 --- quit: reepca (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 00:19:24 What bug 00:19:36 I bet it involved vegetables 00:20:00 hahah, you wanted to look at my code, you said 'step aside kid!' 00:20:28 I never said step aside did I ? 00:20:48 but it was a very difficult bug, the code was fine, the bug was in a dependency, and it was a non error producing typo 00:21:20 yeah, you were probably into your 10th bottle of Bourbon that night ? 00:21:40 Quotes or it did not happen 00:21:41 :P 00:22:08 it was actually rdrop-exit who found it without knowing that was the bug I was after 00:22:27 Thats right, dodge the claim proof :p 00:22:53 A wee step to the left, a wee comment for distraction, and fake news success! :P 00:24:36 Nov 30 19:11:55 tp, all right step aside 00:24:49 :P 00:24:58 Fake news 00:25:11 There was no kid involved :P 00:25:24 Nov 30 19:11:26 for the first time since 2014, I'm actually stuck on a Forth program bug 00:25:25 Nov 30 19:11:44 it's been days and Ive got nowhere 00:25:25 Nov 30 19:11:55 tp, all right step aside 00:25:25 Nov 30 19:12:06 :P 00:25:28 Obviosuly it was in jest, given my substatial lack of know how in fourth 00:25:37 ok, I added the "kid" for comic colour 00:25:59 You added it for political impeacher reasons! 00:25:59 I confess 00:26:03 hahah 00:26:19 mainly to make myself somehow seem younger 00:26:27 lol 00:26:50 "substatial lack of know how in fourth" um ... no! 00:27:22 forth I mean 00:27:23 you cant build a project like you have just *delivered* without a fair understanding of Forth ! 00:27:33 it's not possible 00:27:39 I am able to bumble my way through it 00:27:55 well your bumble is equal to some peoples best efforts 00:28:03 Nah cmon you, stop it 00:28:12 Anyone who wants to make it work can make it work 00:28:24 you orta see some people I help with Forth on line ... 00:28:30 you think ... 00:28:37 Well yeah I think that 00:28:53 How else does anyone get anything done.. with a 'nah fuck YOU problem, I will win' attitude 00:29:00 some people have a lot of trouble with the very basics 00:29:26 Yeah same 00:29:35 one guy dropped around here one day, he was driving up from vistoria to qld 00:30:12 fancied himself a fair had with arduino etc and had been working on Forth the last couple of months 00:30:45 i couldnt even explain what my memory mapped words do or why he needed them 00:31:02 Yeah see, wtf is a memory mapped word 00:31:21 oh wait, buffer thingys ? 00:31:27 Or allots or whatever ? 00:31:31 theyre what you need to make a standalone clock 00:31:41 Pointer thingys 00:31:55 memory mapped thingies 00:32:00 Ahh yes those 00:32:32 Sorry I suck at know what things are called 00:32:46 and bitfields utterly confused him 00:32:48 Also suck at the england on occasion 00:33:01 Is bitfield a unique thing in forth ? 00:33:04 no 00:33:13 Or just like.. bitwise operations and such 00:33:34 bitfields are used in every language that has to um er manipulate bitfields 00:33:37 no 00:33:43 Whats a bitfield then 00:33:50 this is a C bitfield operation 00:34:41 foo = bar ^ 0x4F; or whatever ? 00:35:39 GPIOC->ODR ^= GPIO_Pin_8 00:35:54 Oh ok 00:36:00 So bitwise operation stuff 00:36:00 this is a Forth bitfield operation 00:36:06 yeah, correct 00:36:38 Well arduino people wont prolly have to diddle with that much 00:36:39 : GPIOA_CRH_MODE8 ( %XX -- ) 0 lshift GPIOA_CRH bis! ; \ GPIOA_CRH_MODE8 Port n.8 mode bits 00:37:09 thats my own bitfield thingies, all auto generated and I change them as I learn more Forth 00:37:39 Right. 00:37:54 following what rdrop-exit taught me yesterday I feel some changes coming soon 00:38:11 Well anyway, its a bit rough to expect someone who has not toggled bits before to suddenly grasp them 00:38:35 that would be true if they had never used a microprocessor 00:38:49 But you can do that with arduino 00:39:04 by just copying and pasting 'sketches' or whateer they are called 00:39:37 I guess it's like a mercedes driver brakes down on the autobahn and calls his RACQ equivalent, they ask "does the engine seem ok?" and he answers "whats a engine?" 00:39:53 Mmmm I dunno 00:40:01 I am sure everyone knows what an engine is 00:40:04 Surely 00:40:24 sure arduino was made for artists and such with no clue of embedded 00:40:46 the problem is like drivers with no clue, familarity breeds contempt 00:41:09 Well I dunno, if they want to learn they can 00:41:32 and many arduino users begin to feel they are actually designing gear at some point, yet they have no idea what a bitfield is 00:41:38 absolutely 00:42:10 but not this guy who dropped by, the whole concept was utterl alien to him 00:42:14 I dunno. I my first uC project was an LCD 00:42:29 he also has a lot of trouble using Windows with Forth 00:42:32 Well besides the obvious led blinky 00:42:45 YEah windows forth was an absolute pain in the ass 00:42:51 rather using Forth with windows 00:43:09 Well yeah whatever mix of terms makes sense 00:43:14 what was the system you used with the LCD ? 00:43:17 arduino ? 00:43:22 pic 00:43:27 oh! 00:43:32 and the code ? 00:43:34 c 00:43:39 or was it 00:43:43 what kind of pic C ? 00:43:43 it might have been asm 00:43:59 I am not sure, it might actually have been asm 00:44:02 I'm sure youd recall ? 00:44:10 why would I, it was years ago 00:44:15 unless drunk at the time ? 00:44:19 But I definately done pic asm 00:44:36 Yeah actually I am 63.5% sure it was asm 00:44:42 I remember my first code to make a led light up back in 1976 00:45:00 Yeah the first led blinky was for sure asm 00:45:02 it was assembly 00:45:13 mplab assembly ? 00:45:14 pic asm is annoying as shit though 00:45:19 yeah I know 00:45:37 Yeah mplab whatever the asm compiler thingy is called 00:45:44 I hate all the pain in the ass bank switching 00:45:49 and yet you displayed thingies on a LCD with it ? 00:45:52 Or wahtever its called 00:45:57 Yeah 00:46:01 we all hate that bank switching 00:46:16 thats not a trivial task! 00:46:56 Well it is not an insurmountable task, just have to look up each register and what not before accessing it, to see if it needs a bank switch 00:47:17 And potentially optimize the order to avoid needless bank switching 00:47:29 But then also bugger all that rubbish, and use C 00:47:33 look at the trouble I had to go to to get one to work! 00:47:36 https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/nokia-5110.html?highlight=nokia 00:48:28 one of my best money earners used a PIC 16C84 00:48:29 I am talking about one of those old school 2x20 or 4 x whatever displays 00:49:00 16 * 20 ? 00:49:04 oops 00:49:11 4 line by 16 chars ? 00:49:12 Some bollocks like that 00:49:18 yeah those old school lcd's 00:49:42 I have some but have never used them except on a Linux box driven from the parallel port 00:49:53 ones you can talk to with like 4 or 8 bits, + a few clocking and enable/whatever signals 00:49:59 --- quit: mtsd (Remote host closed the connection) 00:50:04 where they displayed ram and hdd usage and cpu load 00:50:09 Yeah i wrote a driver for netbsd for an lcd on the parallel port 00:50:21 well thats pretty cool 00:51:16 i released a GPL general purpose eprom and micro burner that runs of the PC parallel port in 1998 00:51:24 it was written in C 00:51:24 What a champ 00:51:53 schematics and everything, it was pretty good for the tech back then 00:52:21 :) 00:52:28 Nerd stuff is cool as fuck aye 00:52:35 An endless supply of room to grow 00:52:47 Especially in electronics 00:53:11 it was a 'in circuit programmer' so the proto might be driving a stepper motor round and round, youd modify your source, click 'make' and the motor would stop for a second then resume turning as it was now running the new code 00:53:35 Neat :) 00:53:55 in those days I used relays to switch the MCU out of the proto circuit to be flashed, then back in to run 00:54:06 I had an electronic mentor guy for a few years, who was all about his J1's and asm and what not 00:54:20 j1 ? 00:54:27 FPGA ? 00:54:30 Motorlla J1 I think they were 00:54:40 Some absolute dinosaur of a chip 00:54:42 I'm not familiar with that 00:54:46 He then got into pic's 00:54:55 and motorola is my all time favorite 00:55:09 like the rest of us I guess 00:55:33 They were so old school they needed UV light to erase the flash 00:55:40 TO be able to re-flashed 00:55:42 yep 00:55:47 at least they could! 00:55:58 the initial ones were OTP 00:56:05 one burn and thats it 00:56:10 Yeah so I did buy some, and a J1 Programmer, but never used them. My first uC was pic 00:56:13 throw away 00:56:23 I used plenty 00:56:36 is J1 what I am thinking about ? 00:56:39 I made a 48x eprom burner once 00:57:01 I've never heard of the term "j1" with respect to motorola 00:57:25 it burnt 48 x 2732 eoroms at once, all in parallel 00:57:41 it has 48 ZIFF sockets 00:58:19 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:58:36 a tech would load 47 blank eproms and a master EPROM and push the program button then go away for 20 minutes 00:58:48 then come back and flip them all out 00:58:50 lol yes 00:59:00 it was on a sloping panel 00:59:30 occasionally he would put one in upside down, which would kill the EPROM and make it nearly red hot 00:59:52 and id hear his screams when he flipped the ht one out into his hand 00:59:56 hot 01:00:28 it would mean the batch was bad and all but the hot one has to be errased and burnt again 01:00:41 the hot one went in the bin 01:01:06 we would burn batches every day end to end 01:01:22 just to get enuf eproms done for production 01:01:53 Hey here is a question, what do you think of degrees and all that stuff? 01:01:55 27,06 C 01:01:56 80,71 F @ 8pm 01:02:05 ? 01:02:28 lol you spastic 01:02:35 Academic degrees 01:02:57 I'm glad one of my daughters has one :) 01:03:06 Why is that ? 01:03:10 but I'm no academic, I left skool at 16 01:03:15 Do you think they are worth while ? 01:03:25 she's a architect on $100k + a year 01:03:34 Hmm 01:03:47 and the only child that will loan me money :) 01:04:02 it's working for her 01:04:09 Hmm 01:04:14 but Im the wrong person to ask 01:04:20 being a non academic 01:04:51 my other kids are all broke 01:04:54 I tried getting a degree at a place called ucol, and ended up writing a thing to fix their outlook problem, and also an instant messanger to use on their network 01:05:06 In like 1997 or whatever 01:05:10 hmm 01:05:24 But dropped out, it was as gay as aid 01:05:27 aids also 01:05:38 I degrees are essential at the highest levels, but cost a lot and take a long time to repay 01:05:49 I think 01:06:13 she has hers at 22 01:06:16 had 01:06:18 Depends on the education system. 01:06:40 but then she was dux of her class every year, shes very smart 01:06:45 yeah 01:06:59 Robert, do you have a degree ? 01:07:42 I mean if you do, then youre better placed to advise jsoft than I 01:08:02 Im only a electronics tech, I always assisted people with degrees 01:08:42 The one and only electronic job I have applied for, did not seem to give a shit about my qualifications 01:08:47 Yeah, I even work at a university now, so a degree is definitely a formal requirement. 01:08:49 matthias has a pHd, he gets his pick of well paid jobs 01:09:06 yeah, it's a minimum requirement I imagine 01:09:16 But most practical stuff I still learned on IRC 01:09:20 haha 01:09:44 yeah a degree doesnt mean one is actually useful, bit doesnt mean one isnt useful either 01:10:08 That kind of it implies that it does not mean that much 01:10:25 I wanted to learn in the field doing real electronics and I did, Im happy with my path 01:10:26 It's a good way to force yourself to learn things that you wouldn't have otherwise had the endurance to learn. At least in my case. 01:10:27 bear in mind I am taking an electronics perspective 01:10:40 absolutely! 01:11:13 I have holes in my knowledge you could drive a battleship thru because I cherry picked what *I* wanted to learn 01:11:14 What about a degree gives you the endurance to learn ? 01:11:16 I learned everything I know about EE on my spare time though. And much of the math at the university. 01:11:34 jsoft: it gives you deadlines, lots of them. That works for some people. 01:11:48 jsoft, there are courses that you MUST take in your degree path, no matter how much you hate them 01:12:05 tp, what for tho ? 01:12:17 pich something you hate ... 01:12:20 pick 01:12:25 Vegetables 01:12:32 for a more complete knowledge base 01:12:35 hahahahaha 01:12:44 probably maths related 01:12:50 Counting vegetables 01:12:58 lots of lovely differential calculus 01:13:25 I dunno, Don't hate or even know calculus, but if I had a use for it, then I would not mind learning it 01:13:29 get into Kirchoffs laws ? 01:13:38 I've done that before 01:13:51 well at the time you probably DONT see a use for it, which is why you hate it ? 01:14:06 I never said I hate it 01:14:08 Robert, what did you hate ? 01:14:58 my daughter loved the work, but the deadlines were brutal at uni, and guess what, theyre also brutal in her job 01:15:56 tp: I used to have languages, statistics, etc. Now my work is building statistical models for natural language processing. 01:16:02 hate* 01:16:21 I also used to hate vegetables, until I learned to cook them properly. 01:16:29 Robert, so you got a job doing what you hated ? 01:16:44 tp: no, I learned to love what I used to hate, then I got the job! 01:17:01 wow 01:17:07 It's like the vegetables. Cooked wrong, they're awful. Statistics, if taught wrong, is even worse. 01:17:29 Robert, are you *sure* you love it now, maybe you have been brainwashed ? 01:17:30 Nah vegetables are just awful. 01:17:59 ahh, perhaps Im a non academic because my teachers sucked at school ? 01:18:13 tp: philosophical question. And I still don't like philosophy. 01:18:37 it couldnt be because I'm just not a suitable mind for academia ? 01:18:46 Robert, lol 01:19:41 It's not for everyone, sure. I just like being able to decide what to work with. 01:19:45 I was obsessed with electronics at age 9 and nothing else mattered. I stayed on that path all my life 01:19:58 tp, nice :) 01:20:14 Sounds like my history with programming. 01:20:16 Robert, how is that academically based though ? 01:20:21 Robert, I admire people with the determination to get a degree, a pHd etc, I couldnt do it 01:21:01 jsoft: well, for poeple with other interests that would lead to other jobs of course. 01:21:11 jsoft, I didnt have a choice, it was a obsession 01:21:38 Robert, again, how is that academic based ? 01:21:56 I am not sure what you are getting at 01:22:12 jsoft ? 01:22:25 tp, hello 01:22:37 jsoft: just saying that a university is one of those workplaces where you decide yourself what to work on. 01:22:46 robert said he works building statistical models for natural language processing and that required a degree 01:23:22 thats about all the 'academic based' info you need really ? 01:23:46 without his degree, robert wouldnt have that job 01:23:51 Right ok 01:24:45 Oh, yes, thanks for spelling the logic I forgot. 01:24:51 without his degree Robert would just be a lowly technician like you and I ;-) 01:25:16 And earn twice as much. 01:25:18 now he has his degree, he gets the $$, the aclaim, the fast cars and the women! 01:25:35 I can see the positives there! 01:25:54 Hmmm 01:26:22 Well for jobs which have a degree bar, sure 01:26:44 an thats pretty much most good jobs thesedays ? 01:26:46 but I have to wonder if someone who just learnt the stuff otherise out of interest would catch up anyway 01:27:10 catch up ? 01:27:14 Yes. 01:27:35 in pay, especially after the usual student loans and what not 01:27:48 Just floating thoughts out 01:27:54 if two people have similar skills, and one has a degree, the degreed person will probably be the exec and earn a lot more 01:27:58 It's definitely a loss financially to work here. 01:28:15 Robert, at the university ? 01:28:23 If I valued money over doing fun stuff that I choose, I wouldn't be here. 01:28:23 Yes 01:28:38 how about job security ? 01:28:44 tp, yeah but define similar skills Practical, real world, or acedemic, theory based then practical afterwards? 01:28:44 Horrible 01:28:53 depends on funding ? 01:29:11 Either on external funding, or on getting tenured. 01:29:29 jsoft, a degree wont make a genius, but it probably takes a genius to the top 01:30:41 ok, so a degree enables Robert to do what he loves at the university, where a degree is a minimum entry requirement, even tho the money is less and the security is horrible. Robert does what he *loves* however 01:30:55 Well that is proepr 01:31:00 And also proper 01:31:17 I kind of did the same thing by working for myself most of my life 01:31:49 the money was up and down, getting divorced was a massive hit tho, and if not for that I'd be very well off today 01:32:11 and I also did what I liked with no academic qualifications 01:32:48 so with the right amount of drive and initiative, I guess anyone can do whatever they want 01:33:25 but the world does seem to be leaning towards academic quals, especially in govt, professional and uni careers 01:33:59 Really? I kinda thought it was going the other way 01:34:32 As I mentioned, the most boss job i've ever applied for did not give a shit about quals 01:34:52 Sorry, by boss I mean most awesome 01:35:49 tp, married now ? 01:35:54 or single now ? 01:46:58 Sorry, was not trying to be a dick 01:49:22 jsoft, divorced since 2000, single the last 5 - 6 years 01:49:38 i dont think thats a dick question 01:50:11 jsoft, at 65 I'm really enjoying being single, I plan to die single 01:55:10 hah 4 downloads in 12 hours of my new 128kb blue pill bootable Forth binary! 01:55:29 the arduino kids cant resist it! 01:56:35 hehe :D 01:56:44 Yeah I am single, I love it 01:57:07 at your age the last thing I wanted to be was single :) 01:57:42 Why? 01:57:48 Life is so much simpler 01:58:31 I was dating a 5'3" blonde blue eyed lady who ran 5km every day, and I was living the dream I tell ya! 01:59:00 it was a awesome 7 years 01:59:13 but all awesome things have to end 01:59:21 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 02:00:07 at about 58 I suddenly had the urge to be totally single, no complications, no chains around my leg 02:00:24 I guess that was the right time for me 02:01:26 so the last 5 years have been awesome, I do what I want when I want, never lonely 02:02:23 why ? because she was the woman I dreamt about at 15 and believed didnt exist 02:02:37 most women wouldnt believe she existed 02:02:57 my perfect woman, well maybe 95% perfect 02:04:01 when we ended it, I knew Id never be happy with another woman and thats been correct, why settle for less ? 02:04:58 27,00 C 02:04:58 80,59 F @ 9pm 02:13:19 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 02:16:27 --- quit: Guest16939 (Quit: killed) 02:16:33 --- quit: siraben (Quit: killed) 02:16:56 --- quit: jimt[m] (Quit: killed) 02:17:07 --- quit: nonlinear[m] (Quit: killed) 02:18:55 Well that aint so bad 02:19:35 27 C ? 02:19:41 at 9pm 02:19:45 it's ok 02:19:57 I have trouble sleeping over 27 C 02:26:28 I ain't taling about the temperature you geezer :P 02:26:35 oh 02:26:43 yeah was magic days 02:26:51 Good for you 02:27:08 I was lucky, in the right place at the right time 02:27:28 something to look back on in my old decrepit old age 02:28:23 You know with your meat eating ways, you have a lot longer to live, right ? 02:28:32 well night-o, it's time for some zzz here 02:28:41 All right have a goodun 02:28:51 Catchya laters on :) 02:28:55 well Ive lived all I need, it's quality not quantity i was after 02:28:57 cyas! 02:34:38 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 02:35:24 --- quit: jsoft (Quit: Leaving) 02:52:47 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 03:15:10 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 03:31:11 --- join: jimt[m] joined #forth 03:31:11 --- join: nonlinear[m] joined #forth 03:31:11 --- join: siraben joined #forth 03:31:11 --- join: Guest72983 joined #forth 03:42:35 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 03:43:04 --- quit: iyzsong (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03:43:11 --- join: iyzsong-x joined #forth 04:04:49 --- quit: iyzsong-x (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 04:29:34 --- join: f-a joined #forth 04:38:13 --- join: retroforth-bot joined #forth 04:45:43 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 05:02:03 --- join: mtsd_ joined #forth 05:04:28 --- quit: mtsd (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05:37:37 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 05:39:48 --- quit: mtsd_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06:39:52 --- quit: Guest72983 (Quit: issued !quit command) 06:46:39 --- quit: mtsd (Remote host closed the connection) 07:09:07 --- quit: f-a (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:14:10 --- join: f-a joined #forth 07:30:45 --- quit: presiden (Quit: WeeChat 2.6) 07:32:17 --- join: presiden joined #forth 07:33:32 --- part: presiden left #forth 07:43:57 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 08:52:43 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 08:52:43 --- quit: deesix (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 08:54:23 --- join: deesix joined #forth 09:03:56 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 09:04:30 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 09:05:03 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 09:05:27 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 09:54:08 --- quit: remexre_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 10:04:23 --- join: ryke joined #forth 10:27:35 --- quit: f-a (Quit: leaving) 10:39:39 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10:46:04 --- join: remexre joined #forth 11:26:22 --- join: ryke joined #forth 11:42:17 --- join: WickedShell joined #forth 12:15:13 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13:00:40 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 13:09:46 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 13:51:57 --- join: payphone` joined #forth 13:56:11 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13:56:46 --- join: X-Scale` joined #forth 13:57:17 --- quit: patrickg (Remote host closed the connection) 13:57:30 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 13:58:51 --- join: patrickg joined #forth 14:19:50 --- join: jedb_ joined #forth 14:22:21 --- quit: jedb__ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15:19:58 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 15:34:10 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 15:50:35 --- quit: tp (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 15:51:32 --- join: tp joined #forth 15:51:32 --- quit: tp (Changing host) 15:51:32 --- join: tp joined #forth 16:03:47 --- join: ryke joined #forth 16:03:54 --- join: f-a joined #forth 16:25:37 --- quit: f-a (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:26:17 --- join: f-a joined #forth 16:36:36 --- quit: f-a (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:47:00 --- join: f-a joined #forth 16:54:58 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 17:03:24 aigh! where is the binary specification of the thumb instruction set I cannot find! 17:07:09 --- join: reepca joined #forth 17:08:48 does Arm Holdings not want me to find out what their prized instruction set is! 17:17:28 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 17:17:56 okay, that's it 17:18:14 I'm noit supporting Cortex-M0 17:18:18 *not 17:18:24 it doesn't have a hardware divider 17:35:04 --- quit: Jookia (Quit: Jookia) 17:35:49 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 18:10:29 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18:38:49 taberman: is this what you want ? http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=85119458556371446232 18:44:43 --- join: jedb__ joined #forth 18:45:08 --- quit: reepca (Remote host closed the connection) 18:45:24 --- join: reepca joined #forth 18:47:48 --- quit: jedb_ (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 18:53:45 --- quit: WickedShell (Remote host closed the connection) 18:56:32 --- join: WickedShell joined #forth 19:01:59 --- quit: f-a (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 19:03:27 --- join: f-a joined #forth 19:43:08 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 20:39:24 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20:52:56 --- quit: f-a (Quit: leaving) 20:53:20 38,00 C 20:53:21 100,51 F @ 4pm 20:55:15 hey tp 20:55:44 taberman: is this what you want ? http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=85119458556371446232 20:56:13 thumb binaries ? 20:58:21 thanks, even though I did find what I was looking for earlier tonight, even though what I found was incomplete so I still wanted more info 20:59:16 thats the problem with ARM, there are two completely separate sources of info, the ARM stuff and the MCU maker stuff 20:59:30 and they never seem to overlap 21:00:02 I spent about 6 months (on and off) wondering where the damn systick info I kept reading about was 21:00:16 it wasnt in any of the STM info 21:01:01 now I know that the systick is the same in all the cortex-m as it's a ARM core subsystem 21:01:29 back 21:01:57 just managed to figure out the long BL stuf 21:02:18 if you think ARM is a mess (its not really) wait until you look at RISC-V 21:03:21 gahh, I'm tempted to stop working on the GD32VF103 as everything but the rv32 (shorthand for RISC-V 32 bit) is driving me batty 21:03:47 --- join: ryke joined #forth 21:03:49 why'd they design it like crap? 21:03:58 who, what ? 21:04:01 : 2plus 2 + ; ok. 21:04:02 see 2plus 21:04:02 20000588: 3602 adds r6 #2 21:04:02 2000058A: 4770 bx lr 21:04:07 thats thumb 21:04:11 RISC-V 21:04:35 this is rv32 21:04:38 see 2plus+ 21:04:38 0001CF24: 00218193 addi x3, x3, 2 21:04:38 0001CF28: 00008067 jalr zero, 0 (x1) 21:04:42 same code 21:05:08 wait, from looking at the Thumb-2 opcode set, there's no {S} markers 21:05:17 well i think the rv32 is ok, it's the Chinese hardware implementation 21:05:22 rather everything has an {S} 21:07:28 then there is mecrisp-quintus, it's still experimental, so at a early stage 21:08:06 Im happy building gear with cortex-m, but rv32 is too young to trust on hardware yet 21:11:17 okay, well, I'm gonna hit the sack now 21:11:22 have a good night 21:11:26 or day shall I say 21:11:51 a hot day ? 21:12:08 nigt-o tabemann ! 21:21:21 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 21:24:41 --- quit: jedb__ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22:02:11 --- join: ryke joined #forth 22:06:31 --- join: jedb joined #forth 23:06:05 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23:20:41 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 23:21:45 Hello and welcome to the day before tomorrow 23:22:10 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 23:36:00 --- join: f-a joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/19.12.09