00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.11.29 00:00:56 we did have a 50,000 PSI inspection glass blow out tho, and the following day I found a dart shaped piece of glass stuck in the wall about 20 feet away 00:01:31 that would have been unpleasant striking a human 00:02:15 the next door neighbor to the plant was a nuclear plant from the 70s 00:02:55 I was imagining armageddon 00:04:47 wow 00:05:02 no wonder you were aprehensive 00:05:25 and yet here we are, survived countless dangers somwhow 00:05:47 The head of the company and head engineer was formerly from Dow Chemical where one his prototypes had resulted in loss of life 00:07:29 yeah, new developments carry risk 00:08:35 I only stayed with them for about 2 years 00:09:49 I had to lug two quite powerful radioactive sources up a massive 'crusher' building in Port Headland when I was 19 years old, it was a long way each time carrying a heavy iron cylinder with teh isotope inside. I always wondered if they leaked somehow and I was receiving radioation I couldnt feel. The company should have issued radiation monitoring badges, but didnt 00:10:11 yikes! 00:10:14 this was back around 1974 00:11:14 i was a tech and no one told me anything, so perhaps they were completely safe, I dont have any cancer i know about .. yet 00:11:29 knock on wood 00:11:59 yeah, I dont want to die until I've finished more projects! 00:12:25 that's the spirit :) 00:12:25 I have interesting projects to finish ... damnit! 00:13:06 a silly woman i know was scratched bu a bat this week, and thats often fatal around here 00:13:42 the bats all carry the 'lysa virus' which is fatal to Humans, even horses 00:14:29 the symptoms can take up to 7 years to appear and the course of meds and injections she is now undergoing is impressive 00:14:32 I'm the opposite, I can't think of any project intersting enough to pursue 00:14:42 wow 00:14:59 I'm 65 and have so many projects Im falling behind! 00:15:59 cool 00:17:13 my gravestone will read "He died mid-project" 00:18:05 don't forget to carve "ok" at the end 00:18:41 hahah 00:18:50 "ok." 00:20:14 Ill probably add a final line "Unhandled Interrupt 00000003 !" 00:20:18 I think part of it is being retired, I just want to take it easy until some inspiration sets off a light bulb and gets the juices flowing 00:21:10 Not the way you'd want to run a business 00:21:17 Ill be retired next october and plan to cycle around oz, so a lot less Forth for me then except in summer when I'll have to rent somewhere, preferably cool 00:21:38 nice 00:22:08 brb 00:22:26 it will be if it happens, life plans rarely survive contact with reality 00:22:30 no problemo 00:23:32 back 00:26:10 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:29:21 gotta go, catch you later, keep on Forthin' 00:29:27 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 00:31:03 --- join: cheater joined #forth 00:31:25 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 00:31:27 cya, thanks for the chat 00:32:28 Hello tp 00:33:24 hiya mtsd hows the weather in Sweden today ? 00:34:00 Hi, well.. A mixture of snow and rain at the same time, around 0 centigrade 00:36:42 Some problems with the public transport system today. I was a bit late to the office, had to walk part of the way 00:36:49 it's 31,43 C at my desk (according to a LMT01 sensor being read by Forth) at 1935 hrs. dusk outside with the first light rain in months here 00:36:56 sue to a storm 00:36:59 due 00:38:38 the rain is so light I can't even get wet standing in it 00:39:41 big difference from here. The rain here made me wet alright :) 00:40:01 i dream of rain like that 00:40:41 we are on 'level 3' water restrictions, that means we can water our plants with a hand carried bucket only 00:40:50 no hoses or sprinklers 00:41:48 Would be happy to send you some, we have had rain for weeks 00:42:08 hahah, and I could send you some degrees C in exchange ;-) 00:42:18 yeah, haha 00:43:01 a "Wormhole" rain and snow come out here hot air comes out there ;-) 00:43:44 hot air, sunshine, and the lovely aroma of burning rainforests ? 00:47:46 hi there 00:47:58 hi cheater ! 00:50:15 hello cheater 00:50:44 wormhole like a big hose, spraying water from here over the fires 00:51:38 exactly! 00:51:49 our problem is we have no water in the fire areas 00:52:05 so aircraft have to fly 100km to get water to drop 00:52:41 a portable wormhole from Sweden mounted under a large helicopter would be perfect 00:52:52 rain and snow to drop on the fires 00:54:16 We had large forest fires here last year. Turned out we did not have any aircraft, had to ask for help from Italy... 00:54:37 I guess fires would be rare there ? 00:54:52 Fire fighting aircraft had been deemed " to expensive". 00:54:59 and they are 00:55:06 Well, we do get them as well. Lots of forests here 00:55:12 our govt only rent them when needed 00:55:43 we should own a massive fleet of water bombing aircraft 00:56:12 We could use some as well. Not as many as Australia, but some would be useful 00:56:34 yeah, but you know govts, too little too late 00:56:48 We have water nearby at least, so they do not have to fly that long to refill 00:57:07 Narrow country with a long coast line, Sweden 00:57:14 awesome 00:57:39 Ive seen the vista many times in Swedish films 00:57:51 You are an entire continent, Australia :) 00:57:52 I do enjoy european films a lot 00:58:15 yes, very big but most is not livable, bo water and too hot 00:58:19 no 00:58:28 I have to admit, I have not seen many australian films 00:58:31 we live on the coastal areas 00:58:43 there arent many to see 00:58:57 Most people here live in the southern parts 01:00:26 Abba is supposedly very popular in Australia, right? 01:02:19 a very good one is called 'tracks' about a woman named Robyn Davidson who journeyed across Australia alone in the 70's 01:02:36 both book and film, and the film is excellent, totally real to life 01:02:53 yes, ABBA was famous everywhere I think 01:03:31 if you can get the film, I recommend it as it shows the heart and soul of central Australia 01:04:15 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 01:04:38 I know it all well as Ive been in many of the places she visited, and nearly met her once when we both were in Port Hedland in the early 70's and we both rode Kawasaki 900 motobikes 01:05:35 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 01:05:51 Tracks... I'll look for it. Sounds interesting 01:06:02 it's a great film 01:06:16 she traveled alone with camels and here dog 01:06:19 her 01:06:27 Unfortunately, I think lots of people have their view of australian life from Crocodile Dundee ;) 01:06:44 hahahah, yeah 01:06:57 'which is utterly rediculous 01:07:05 Of course 01:07:18 but 'tracks' is 100% real 01:07:32 Sounds promising! 01:07:50 it will give a very accurate of life in our 'outback' 01:07:54 view 01:08:41 the isolation and hardship for whites (like me) but it's a garden of eden for the indigenous people here who know it so well 01:09:07 I see desolation, they see food and water laying about everywhere 01:09:16 I die, they thrive 01:10:11 Robin Davidson is a very beautiful woman who has always hated her beauty 01:10:46 many men begged her the let them accompany here, but she refused them all 01:10:54 I think that is an interesting perspective, especially in these days. 01:11:39 How different people have adapted to different circumstances. And how we have all been formed by the nature in which we have our origin 01:12:00 I guess the 'lucky' ones live in the remote inner places where white man only sees desolation and leaves them alone 01:12:10 so true 01:12:33 There is a lot of (very heated and angry) debate here about these things.. 01:12:40 youd probably get heatstroke in a week here, and Id probably lose my toes to frostbite in a week there 01:12:57 Yes, I am certain of that 01:13:23 i think these debates are the same everywhere where different peoples try and live together 01:13:38 or one invades as whites did here back in the 1700's 01:13:46 It seems so. 01:14:07 I've never seen snow myself 01:14:15 We are not that well adapted to heat etc 01:14:45 nor am I to tell the truth, 36 C today was still bit much for me as Im not used to it yet 01:15:22 however it's 30,43 C at my desk right now and I feel fine 01:15:23 I have never experienced more than 35-36, I think. And that was while travelling.. 01:15:54 Highest recorded temperature here is 38, I think. And that was in the 1930s 01:16:09 It was 46 C at this desk here 3 years ago in summer. I had to switch the PC's off as they were overheating (all are watercooled) 01:16:33 My god.. I would not do well in 46 C.. 01:16:49 my bedroom airconditioner died that night and I awoke to it pumping warm air in 01:17:27 Ive been hotter but that was life or death in the remote north west of western australia 01:17:46 no cars were on the road because they would boil 01:17:59 the roads were covered in dead birds 01:18:52 I survived by lowering a bucket down wells and soaking myself, wearing a wet cloth mask covering my face 01:19:07 it was intolerable 01:19:29 Id estimate 55C in the shade 01:19:36 As a contrast, we have had years with the same temperature in June as on Christmas Eve. 01:20:03 Warm winter and cold summer coincide sometimes 01:20:07 I think that area has a 56C max, it's the hottest spot in australia called "marble bar" 01:21:02 Id much rather live in Sweden I think, I like the cold, Im fair skinned descended from the UK 01:21:24 but my parents were born here in australia, as was I 01:22:10 the storm passed over, no real rain again, some light rain, not enuf to make me even partially wet 01:24:03 I'm fair skinned too. Typical scandinavian 01:24:32 56C is very very hot. 01:45:49 --- quit: CORDIC (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 01:45:55 bak, it's life threatening 01:46:23 I never want to go thru that heat again 01:46:51 I fully understand that 01:47:04 one cant even breathe it in, it's too hot 01:47:18 hence the wet cloth covering all but the eyes 01:47:43 i guess like -50, the air is too cold to breath and sears the lungs ? 02:00:59 I think so 02:01:11 Too hot or too cold, not good 02:07:35 agreed 02:20:15 --- join: netmonk joined #forth 03:14:08 --- quit: inode (Quit: ) 04:11:46 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 04:21:53 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 05:01:53 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 05:02:12 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 05:09:19 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 06:29:00 --- quit: iyzsong (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 06:35:38 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 07:09:52 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 07:25:25 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 07:43:37 --- quit: reepca (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07:58:32 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 08:35:03 --- join: ryke joined #forth 08:44:05 How was everyone's thanksgiving? 08:44:11 Americans of course 08:47:16 just a quick note but ubuntu is free this black friday: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1200448160096825347 download as many ISOs as you need 09:09:06 Oh sweet, I've been waiting all year for this sale 09:09:10 Also 09:09:18 Jookia: are you on mastodon by chance? 09:09:30 Because if you are, I think I follow you 09:09:45 ryke: yep! and yay 09:10:35 I figured lol. The chances of two Jookias existing that are both interested in Forth: pretty slim 09:11:03 yeah 09:11:28 atm i've been doing some web work 09:43:32 i've had a winter that was -34C 09:43:37 that was crazy 10:10:39 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 10:57:33 --- join: Lambdajack joined #forth 11:00:29 --- join: ryke joined #forth 11:00:48 What kind of web work Jookia? 11:01:46 ryke: web hosting for real life stuff 11:01:49 trying to get wordpress to auth easily 11:02:02 real life stuff yuck 11:02:19 wordpress double yuck 11:04:29 yeah 11:06:16 Do you do web stuff for a living? 11:08:52 --- join: inode joined #forth 12:08:12 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12:08:38 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13:02:00 * tabemann is happy that he's got mecrisp working on his DISCOVERY board 13:02:13 yayy 13:03:28 tabemann, a good choice for a serial terminal is e4thcom 13:03:35 but it's Linux only 13:05:08 it's the ideal terminal for Forth and sorts out the end of line delays, cr insertion, has #include, colored error hightlighting, and even halt on error 14:12:30 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 14:27:11 --- nick: jedb_ -> jedb 14:28:18 --- join: ryke joined #forth 14:38:31 ryke: nah 15:08:49 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15:21:26 back 15:59:13 I switched to using e4thcom 16:00:05 I ahd to switch back my Mecrisp-Stellaris binary to use \n from using \r\n because e4thcom was not compatible with \r\n 16:00:21 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 16:00:30 --- quit: inode (Quit: ) 16:47:58 tabemann, oh, I thought the \r\n was configurable in e4thcom, doesn't matter tho 17:09:23 I probably could configure it; it's just that LF is the default for mecrisp-stellaris anyways, so I switched back to using the stock mecrisp-stellaris binary 17:09:49 yeah why not, especially when using e4thcom 17:10:06 btw, e4thcom is written in Forth 17:10:16 yeah, I figured that out 17:12:22 I'm probably going to play with mecrisp-stellaris for a while before I attempt to write my own forth for cortex-m MCUs 17:12:46 the author, Manfred Mahlow also wrote 'VOCS ' for Mecrisp-Stellaris 17:12:58 VOCS? 17:13:06 good idea, it can't hurt 17:13:17 it enables vocabularies 17:13:38 a bit like what retro appears to use 17:13:57 rather than what hashforth uses I presume 17:14:16 I've never seen hashforth 17:14:59 hashforth controls wordlists with three words - WORDLIST, to create a new wordlist, SET-ORDER, to set all the current wordlists and what order they are looked up in, and SET-CURRENT, to set which wordlist compiled words go into 17:15:22 thats organised, I like it 17:15:28 to name a wordlist you have to assign it to a constant with CONSTANT 17:16:01 I never really got the traditional Forth way of handling vocabularies 17:16:51 I didn't take to vocabularies myself 17:17:07 and apparently while Forth 2012 supports the traditional way the words it uses as primitives to implement them are ones I am using 17:17:34 I use wordlists essentially to define modules 17:18:31 your strategy seems very clear to me 17:19:38 so in each source file I will define at least one wordlist, and pass it to SET-CURRENT for the words I am defining in that source file, and I will use SET-ORDER with each of the wordlists that I will be using in that file 17:19:39 I found vocs too wordy for me, but I've become more used to the concept watching retro here 17:20:15 my code looks like this: 17:20:23 forth-wordlist 1 set-order 17:20:28 forth-wordlist set-current 17:20:40 wordlist constant quux-wordlist 17:20:52 foo-wordlist bar-wordlist baz-wordlist 3 set-order 17:20:58 well 17:21:06 foo-wordlist bar-wordlist baz-wordlist quux-wordlist 4 set-order 17:21:12 quux-wordlist set-current 17:21:56 his creates a new wordlist referred to by the constant quux-wordlist in the wordlist forth-wordlist 17:21:58 *this 17:22:09 I can see how it's needed in large PC type Forth programs but in my small embedded world I havent needed vocs yet 17:22:52 yeah, hashforth feels like it is too big for an embedded environment without being cut down considerably 17:23:12 plus where flash is small, a on chip Forth uses up valuable resources 17:23:58 you could use all your resources in a tethered Forth tho, and still use far less flash 17:24:09 yeah 17:24:43 for instance, mecrisp across *appears* to have 64kB of flash on a 2kb flash MSP430 chip 17:25:08 how does it do that? 17:25:38 I don't know, it's in the design for the host 17:26:08 but doesn't it have to stay connected with the tether for that to be possible? 17:26:11 I asked if it could be increased to 128kB but apparently it's too much work to increase it 17:26:47 yes it does, but the end of the process the host generates a binary for the target 17:27:12 then the target is fully standalone with no Forth 17:27:37 it's pretty slick I have to say 17:28:02 yeah 17:28:19 if a little mind bending from a user point of view as the Forth terminal appears to be on the target 17:28:28 even tho it's on the host 17:29:11 mecrisp-across is written in Mecrisp-Stellaris and runs on a Tiva Connected Launchpad (Cortex-M4) 17:29:43 so my development environment runs as usual, everything is the same 17:38:03 that's much more impressive than what I envisioned for tethered operation, i.e. just the forth VM and VM code without all the code necessary for the VM user environment (compiler and all) 17:39:19 *Forth user environment 17:41:21 this is the system https://mecrisp-across-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/ 17:42:11 4 wires connect the host to the target 17:42:50 and the host connects to my dev environment via Gnu Screen as usual 17:43:40 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 17:47:28 one thing I realized with the DISCOVERY board is I wasted my money buying an ST-Link 17:47:53 because the DISCOVERY board has built-in ST-Link that only needs a USB connection 17:49:06 exactly 17:49:23 all the ST boards do, including the Nucleos 17:51:00 tho I don't like the latest version of st-link in the nucleos 17:51:46 it's really slow on my system when flashing and designed to be drag n drop to flash also 17:52:07 thats V2.3 or V3 I cant recall 17:53:00 I've got the V2-1 17:53:10 and it works fine for me 17:53:14 but I've gotta go 17:53:22 no problemo 17:53:25 cya 18:40:56 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 19:10:40 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 19:21:50 --- quit: Jookia (Remote host closed the connection) 19:21:50 --- quit: oxford (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19:22:27 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 19:24:18 --- join: oxford joined #forth 19:28:51 --- join: Jookia1 joined #forth 19:30:03 --- quit: Jookia (Remote host closed the connection) 19:42:07 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20:33:23 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 20:57:14 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 22:47:40 --- join: ryke joined #forth 22:59:06 --- quit: proteus-guy (Remote host closed the connection) 23:00:28 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 23:10:28 --- quit: Jookia1 (Remote host closed the connection) 23:21:15 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 23:24:59 --- join: smokeink joined #forth 23:52:16 --- quit: jn__ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 23:52:31 --- join: jn__ joined #forth 23:55:53 And good evening peoples 23:56:08 evening clock meister! 23:56:21 Hah :D 23:56:25 Gidday gidday 23:56:56 tp, it just shipped out from china today :) 23:57:23 Hopefully it can get here before the wedsday or so, so I can assemble it in time 23:59:11 was that the expensive $125 one ? 23:59:43 mains powered I assume with power hungry leds ? 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/19.11.29