00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.11.16 00:30:24 --- join: rdrop-exit joined #forth 00:34:26 c[] 00:34:44 hello Forthwrights 00:35:18 evening Zen Forth Master! 00:35:41 good afternoon Master Technician 00:35:56 we now have a new Forth nick amongst us! 00:36:09 really 00:36:20 retro is here! 00:36:29 retro: #3 #15 * n:put 00:36:29 45 00:36:45 cool :) 00:37:50 funky 00:39:23 funky-bot 00:40:54 Looks like the crc's Forth 00:41:24 the n:put is the giveaway 00:41:36 and the '#' ? 00:42:04 a cool evening here 26,18 C or 79,13 F 00:42:32 Mitch Bradley's stuff uses # for decimal IIRC, although his is a separate word, i.e. # 15. 00:43:09 so does Mecrisp-Stellaris but decimal is default so I never use it 00:43:13 I use $ for hex, and % for binary, but they are separate words, i.e. % 10111 $ ffff 00:43:28 same here # 10 is decimal 10 00:44:21 the # 10 version compiles faster on some Forths than plain 10 00:45:07 interesting 00:45:33 is that because they made a hash of it ? 00:46:40 No because the traditional Forth interpreter searches the whole dictionary for a word named 10. 00:47:26 While the prefix words such as # $ % expect a number. 00:47:51 that makes sense 00:48:34 i'll have to keep a eye on that with Mecrisp-Stellaris 00:48:51 --- join: SysDsnEng joined #forth 00:49:48 checkout this crazy cortex-m0+ 00:49:50 FLASH.. TOTAL REPORTED: 196608 USED: 89616 FREE: 106992 00:49:50 RAM.... TOTAL PRESET: 20000 USED: 776 FREE: 19224 00:50:07 196kB of flash onboard! 00:50:23 wow 00:50:37 Ive loaded pretty print words for *every* register on the chip above 00:50:49 BTW, the guy who wrote your Forth announced a RISC-V version on CLF 00:51:04 yes, hes had one for a while 00:51:26 I did not know that 00:51:29 but there are a few different chip versions 00:51:46 his latest is for the "longan-nano" board 00:52:18 Is that the "gd32vf103cb" thing they're talking about? 00:52:23 it's still experimental, I have a early release to test but I'm still waiting for a board to arrive, should be here next week I hope 00:52:25 --- quit: jsoft (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:52:33 exactamundo 00:52:50 aha 00:53:15 and thats the real motivation why Ive been cranking out some 'blue pill' binaries lately 00:53:53 ah 00:53:55 because the gd32vf103cb uses all the same peripherals as the STM32F103 in the 'blue pill' 00:54:30 so I set out to gain some experience with those peripherals, mainly the GPIO's which are a horror to configure 00:56:47 --- join: jsoft joined #forth 00:57:01 What are your thoughts on RISC-V? 00:57:19 i think it could possibly be HUMUNGOUS 00:58:07 ARM killer in the long run? 00:58:30 yeah, I think it could potentially be a everything killer 00:59:00 Do you like what you see so far? 00:59:07 I guess it could have the same effect on the world that Linux has, but in the microcontroller domain 00:59:50 Im only speaking philosophically, I havent really looked at the hardware 00:59:58 ok 01:00:08 I know that hackers like the ISA 01:00:12 MIPS inspired, right? 01:00:18 correct 01:01:21 it may take decades to become dominant if it ever does, but I think it has the potential to blow away the commercial people 01:02:11 having a open design could well allow smart hobbyists to design some crazy new concepts with it 01:03:07 Can it also compete with the low end? 01:03:24 I mean arm employs about 200k people worldwide, but in the open community there are millions and many are skilled at building decentralised project 01:03:28 s 01:04:00 yeah probably, especially as China is cranking these things out now 01:05:08 it's a very intresting question tho 01:05:50 --- quit: iyzsong (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 01:05:55 Gcc gave us dominance in open compilers and the flow on from that has been hard to predict 01:06:06 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 01:06:23 so RISC-V could potentially have a similar effect in hardware 01:06:28 Concerning RISC-V, the issue is that the 'millions' of designers still need to buy an FPGA. Fullcustom ASIC gate ratio to an FPGA is ~1:30. That said it will never be a real rival for mass production as long as we have to implement it in something like an FPGA. For lower voluems it will be where a 2..3 US$ dollar more for the RISC Core doesn't matter ... 01:07:04 Any yes everybody will be able to click together their own system on chip ... 01:07:33 SysDsnEng, is the gd32vf103cb FPGA based ? 01:08:53 I'm still very clueless about risc-v and Im certainly not invested in it as I still have 480 STM32F051's in my parts draw :) 01:09:01 Well you did catch me. I don't know :-( I have seen a few RISC-V ASIC's as well. But who can afford a custom ASIC? Maybe some sort of CrowdFunding concepts may be 01:09:04 I'd not be interested in an FPGA based RISC-V 01:09:42 rdrop-exit, nor would I, and Im definitely not including those in any possible world domination theories I have about RISC-V 01:10:09 SysDsnEng, no hobbyist can afford a custom asic 01:10:37 * tp used to make gear with a custom ASCIC once 01:11:04 in fact I made 1750 units a day, 7 days a week for a years using a Ti ASIC 01:11:13 Yeah there will may be a mix in the FPGA's world. Say a company like Xilinx, Intel (ALtera) or Lattice is including a RISC-V core surrunded the FPGA's gates ... Something like that may be ... 01:11:26 tp: That must be a long time ago ;-) 01:12:19 TI ASIC, was that an analog chip sort of gate-array ? 01:14:25 steam powered 01:15:46 sounds good ;-) well it may took some place on the PCB, or should I say in the garage ... 01:16:42 he had to park the DeLorean outside 01:16:42 hahaah 01:16:53 it was commercial back around 1997 01:17:12 we bought them I'm packs of wafers 01:17:26 and die bonded and wired bonded them to a carrier pcb 01:17:39 Cool Car I love it and the 7 segment LED Display awsome ... 01:18:07 my company car at the time was a Nisan ETA Turbo :) 01:18:18 -A 01:18:35 those were the days 01:19:09 SysDsnEng, the ASCI was a timer for Philips Ironing machines 01:19:14 Champagne and Caviar 01:19:14 ASIC 01:20:00 tp: Okay now I understand better. Pretty cool for these days. Were you able to simulate before signing off ? 01:20:58 SysDsnEng, I was just the factory technical manager, I didnt have anything to do with the ASIC design 01:21:13 my job was to sort out all the manufactiring issues 01:21:58 tp: Okay I understand. Nice talk, yeah the old days are gone somehow except for FORTH ;-) 01:22:21 SysDsnEng, you sound like youre reminiscing ? 01:23:37 tp: Yeah we had a little more time to do things right. To much pressure today to make things as good as you would like to do it from an engineering standpoint of view. 01:23:43 rdrop-exit, we did have LOTS of Champagne and Caviar back then, it was the Australian tech boom days 01:24:16 SysDsnEng, yes, Ive noticed that and I'm glad I retire in 11 months :) 01:24:17 I think I need a Lear jet 01:24:54 For me it is still some more years to go ..I am close to 55 ... 01:25:23 SysDsnEng, well, thats good and bad hey ? 01:25:40 Ill be 66 in 11 months 01:26:04 57 01:26:25 all you under 60 kids here ! 01:26:34 Yes indeed it is. Winter is coming here in Switzerland. A lot of Snow and I will be hiking with the Skies all around the smaller mountains ... 01:27:03 tp: under 60 kids ...haha ... 01:28:57 ;) you bet 01:29:23 SysDsnEng, ever wonder why you bothered to get up off the ground some days while skiing ? 01:30:59 SysDsnEng, Im jealous, I think Switzerland would be awesome to live in 01:33:33 tp: Well what to say it is. However Australia, Sweden or other countries all have their beauty. I am used to live here ;-) I like being outside...we have a lot of mountains. In the summertime I like biking in the winter time I like hiking with the Skies 01:33:49 I used to go to Neuchatel 01:34:09 SysDsnEng, and you would have spent time in the army like all males 01:34:46 Nice, I was born there. But other than that I can't tell you to much about Neuchatel/Neuenburg ... The lakes are nice! 01:35:00 Cool! 01:35:10 I had a best friend who was swiss, and a swiss jujitsi partner who I really missed when he went home because he was the same size and weight as me 01:35:35 I was in the army for ~3 years. But that was at another time. When we were really young and had the impression nothing is impossible ;-) 01:35:42 my best friend left switzerland as he hated guns and the army 01:36:28 he was in the tank corps and he *hated* digging in and digging out tanks 01:36:58 so he came to Australia and built Australia's biggest surveying equipment hire company 01:37:06 now hes a millionaire 01:37:53 Being in the army has many different aspects. I learned a lot about people but I lost interest later on. When I was young it was all about fighting and weapons. Today I don't have them anymore. Lost interest in it. FORTH is much more interesting to me 01:38:18 SysDsnEng, my friend was a 'micro machinist' and his skills just astonished us australians 01:38:50 Ive never seen such a neat, fast and capable machinist as mt Swiss friend 01:39:10 and his workplace was always tidy and clean no matter how busy he was 01:39:18 simply astonishing 01:39:59 SysDsnEng, it sounds like youre in IC manufacturing or design ? 01:41:34 I have a master degree in electronis mainly communication. I do run my own company, call it self employed for the last 20 years. I did a lot of VHDL coding, made a couple of ASIC's and tons of FPGA designs ... 01:42:07 very nice! 01:42:27 SysDsnEng, and Forth for how long now ? 01:46:02 I am a newbie in FORTH terms. About a year ago I made a system on chip design on an FPGA for a customer. I was really in the need of a Soft-Core as an on-chip micro processor. That's were I did 'discover' FORTH and one of the Verilog Cores from James Bowman. He wrote a paper back in 2010 when he did present hes J1 core. I did 'copy' it by re-writing it in VHDL because I am more used to it and used eFORTH to make it going. I was awesome. 01:46:42 aha, fascinating 01:46:58 I do recall your interest in J1 core 01:48:01 rdrop-exit, so I think RISC-V has enormous potential, but we will have to wait and see what happens 01:48:38 And the best of it still is. I don't need a lot of tools. Today when you install an Eclipse based IDE...you go for 100 of megabytes ...in my tiny little FORTH environement I use a terminal program (Tera-Term) and I am in ... 01:48:54 plus I cant really give a opinion on the gd32vf103cb for a few weeks after I get one 01:49:11 SysDsnEng, so true 01:49:41 SysDsnEng, I could easily run my forth development environment out of a RPI3 01:51:02 SysDsnEng, I use gnu screen as a terminal as it supports a number of facilities nothing else does 01:51:57 Yeah that's true. I use two (PI's) of them in my office. Both of them use SyncThing and other cool stuff like calendar management, work time logging, and as my private Git Repos. Everything is interconnected using the simple tunnel mechanism over SSH ... 01:52:46 I must have a look at gnu screen. I don't know it ... 01:53:23 SysDsnEng, it's taken me years to get to this point re terminals 01:53:54 I run it on a i7, while it could use a rpi3, I love speed and no delays :) 01:55:37 SysDsnEng, the main things to know about screen are: * it does serial comms up to 460800 baud, * has one sub process that I use to run SED to capture receive data and parse for errors from the Forth client, * remote connections to a named serial connection 01:56:01 * can send commands and upload data to the Forth client 01:56:20 * does all of the above from a makefile or shell script 01:56:51 Nice talk!Okay folk's my wife is calling ...need to do some work outside in the garden to get ready for the winter time. I may catch up next time 01:57:03 bye! 01:57:07 bye! 01:57:11 --- quit: SysDsnEng (Quit: SysDsnEng) 02:31:23 --- join: dys joined #forth 02:46:48 --- join: SysDsnEng joined #forth 02:49:13 --- part: SysDsnEng left #forth 03:06:55 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:20:04 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 03:22:01 --- quit: pareidolia (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03:49:22 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 03:49:50 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 04:20:24 --- quit: mtsd (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 05:16:52 --- join: dys joined #forth 06:20:32 --- join: zettelding joined #forth 06:21:34 --- part: zettelding left #forth 06:44:09 --- join: f-a joined #forth 06:44:23 --- join: dddddd joined #forth 06:59:40 --- quit: iyzsong (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in) 07:33:23 --- join: proteus-guy joined #forth 07:36:33 --- join: pareidolia joined #forth 08:12:16 --- join: xek joined #forth 09:16:01 --- quit: f-a (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:18:14 --- join: f-a joined #forth 09:26:28 --- quit: pareidolia (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 09:37:44 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 09:41:25 --- join: TonySidaway joined #forth 09:43:44 --- part: farcas82 left #forth 10:44:27 --- join: DKordic joined #forth 11:51:07 --- join: mtsd joined #forth 11:56:01 --- quit: fftww (Quit: WeeChat 2.6) 12:02:07 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12:20:25 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:45:59 --- join: oxford joined #forth 12:48:10 --- quit: cartwright (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12:50:21 --- nick: X-Scale` -> X-Scale 12:52:26 --- part: siraben left #forth 12:55:21 --- join: siraben joined #forth 13:16:19 --- quit: f-a (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13:18:32 --- join: f-a joined #forth 13:33:10 --- quit: f-a (Quit: leaving) 13:51:00 --- quit: Jookia (Quit: Jookia) 13:51:21 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 13:54:30 --- quit: C-Keen (Quit: WeeChat 2.6) 13:58:33 --- quit: mtsd (Remote host closed the connection) 14:05:19 retro: #2 #15 * #12 + n:put 14:05:19 42 14:26:01 --- quit: TonySidaway (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14:38:19 --- join: TonySidaway joined #forth 14:38:34 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14:40:00 retro: "Hello_world s:put 14:40:00 Hello world 14:40:55 retro: "The answer is ... s:put #2 #15 * #12 + n:put 14:40:56 ERROR: Word Not Found: `answer` 14:40:56 ERROR: Word Not Found: `is` 14:40:56 The42 14:41:08 hmm 14:41:19 g'day TonySidaway ! 14:41:26 tp, hi 14:41:35 --- join: X-Scale joined #forth 14:43:14 I finished the most important parts of my IDE port to a new chip, a STM32L073, I now have coloured error reporting, 460800 baud and hardware handshaking, plus my usual utilities 14:43:34 FLASH.. TOTAL REPORTED: 196608 USED: 101372 FREE: 95236 14:43:34 RAM.... TOTAL PRESET: 20000 USED: 792 FREE: 19208 14:43:57 tp, I'm preening slightly (well, blatantly) because my NGA implementation for AVR seems to be viable. 14:44:12 thats with a pretty print Word for every single register on the chip 14:44:59 excellemt, it's great when Forth happens! 14:45:07 https://bitbucket.org/tonysidaway/nga-avr/src/unified-memory/ 14:46:33 tp, Forth will undoubtedly happen, if I keep going in this direction. 14:47:40 TonySidaway, Im still dl your link, Im throttled at my ISP and have a few other dl's running atm 14:51:25 tp, I really woul appreciate any comments, if you do find the time. A heap of the documentation needs updating, but the basic code is fine. 14:54:46 tp, I recall from the 1990s that internet access was very difficult because (I suppose) of the isolation. I hope things get better for you. 14:55:20 Assuming you're in Oz. 14:55:40 I only have a slow expensive link anway and Ive used up my 100GB quota for the month 14:56:08 yeah, I life in a rural town with old poor quality phone lines 14:56:30 life = live 14:57:40 TonySidaway, thats a nicely done project! 14:58:07 TonySidaway, whats the SCM you're using, is it part of bitbucket ? 15:30:34 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15:31:35 SCM? Please explain. It's a git repository. I choose BitBucket because it permits private repositories in free accounts. I have recently published some Forth-related work (a variation of retro-muri , and the above implementation of nga on AVR) when I felt that they were worthy of public scrutiny. 15:34:02 If you git-clone the whole thing you'll see (particularly in the branch unified-memory) where I intend to the 15:39:14 to take it. The essential problem is that Forth is a 1960s language that assumes a Von Neumann (flat memory shared by code and data) architecture. My target is a modified Harvard architecture chip (a tiny amount of onboard SRAM but a relatively large quantity of Flash ROM which can hold executable software but can also be read at runtime (so you can embed runtime VM bytecodrd 15:39:32 ... bytecodes). 15:41:08 I got lost in the embedded parentheses there. Atswimtwobirds. :) 15:48:20 tp, I'm sorry for being so rude. Thank you very much for your compliment. 15:54:12 There are apparently guidelines (or standards, if you like) saying how to write a Forth for a Harvard architecture. I feel like I'm rediscovering them, or reinventing them. 15:59:23 --- quit: TonySidaway (Quit: TonySidaway) 16:03:01 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16:32:10 --- join: tabemann joined #forth 16:36:15 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 16:48:17 --- join: TonySidaway joined #forth 16:58:12 --- join: pareidolia joined #forth 17:23:30 --- quit: Jookia (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17:34:11 --- join: Jookia joined #forth 17:35:23 TonySidaway, no worries, I had visitors and only just got back 17:36:04 TonySidaway, it's interesting to see your work not that I'm experienced enough to understant much of it as Im a Technician not a programmer 17:43:51 tp: technician not a programmer, except builds their own forth :P 17:44:14 Jookia, no, Ive never built a Forth 17:44:33 oh, what do you use then? 17:45:02 I have done some small mods to the Forth I use (Mecrisp-Stellaris) by way of increased baud rate and hardware handshaking but thats it 17:45:17 Im just a Forth user 17:46:20 i use Forth to make small embedded controllers with max of 64KB flash 17:47:21 https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp/ 17:47:58 ah ok 17:48:07 have you programmed in C or other languages? 17:48:11 sure 17:48:31 I'm ok in C and Perl 17:48:41 why the use of forth? 17:48:53 I started with machine code in 1975 17:49:14 because Forth is ideal for what I do, small embedded controllers with max of 64KB flash 17:50:18 --- quit: pareidolia (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 17:51:38 languages I'm conversant with: Forth, C, Perl, Shell, XML, Assembly, Machine code 17:53:27 this micro is a bit of a exception being a STM32L073 17:53:30 FLASH.. TOTAL REPORTED: 196608 USED: 101372 FREE: 95236 17:53:30 RAM.... TOTAL PRESET: 20000 USED: 792 FREE: 19208 17:54:28 I've just integrated it into my Forth IDE so now it's much easier to use 17:58:32 your forth ide? 17:59:27 I've spent a few years on it, it's just a collection of unix apps hanging together with shell scripts 18:00:04 the main parts are Gnu Screen and Vim 18:01:15 because it's quite simple to use it's not trivial in design 18:04:43 ah 18:06:54 and it kind of works a bit backward to the usual C IDEs, for instance they have a project manager that requires details to start a project etc 18:08:10 I just have a one word command that I use in a new directory to start a Forth project. It creates everything I need in about 0.1 second and Im ready to start entering code right away 18:10:04 nice 18:12:49 so cay a client asks me to create a controller to measure battery charge status on a remote solar powered pumping station, I can start that project in 0.1 seconds ;-) 18:13:41 it will have templates, a SCM already populated, a schematic diagram template, everything I need 18:29:51 --- join: iyzsong-x joined #forth 18:30:22 --- quit: iyzsong (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19:02:28 tp, just woke up again. It's early Sunday morning here so I'm a bit dazed. 19:04:36 4am! 19:05:13 TonySidaway, sounds like you need [(C) ? 19:06:03 I assume that your use of the term SCM means "Source control management", or similar. 19:06:48 yes 19:07:01 I now understand you use git 19:08:48 The clock here says 0306, but near enough. I took my youngest kid (early thirties) to Durham today. We puttered around in the cathedral and did a little shopping. 19:09:41 winter there for you isnt it ? 19:09:47 This is the severely autistic one. 19:10:26 ahh 19:12:42 --- join: dave0 joined #forth 19:13:51 Yes, in the North East of England now Google tells me the temperature outdoors (at 0311) is 6C. Add 5 degrees or so and that's the daytime temperature. It was very rainy and foggy today and that made it warmer than it might otherwise have been. 19:15:24 total opposite here of course, plus we are having a heatwave and there are fires everywhere 19:16:24 tp, crc uses fossil so I'm giving that a go, but github and bitbucket are oriented towards git. 19:17:36 --- join: iyzsong joined #forth 19:17:43 I use fossil also 19:17:58 I have done for about the last 5 years 19:18:33 I cant stand anything GIT myself, I particularly dislike github etc 19:18:42 --- quit: iyzsong-x (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19:18:44 Where are you? I'd guess Victoria somewhere but you talk about being isolated and Australia is very big. 19:18:55 Im in NSW, rural inland 19:19:40 I'm not overly isolated, I live in a town of around 30,000 people and there are towns in every direction within about 15 miles 19:20:07 Im about 35 miles from the coast 19:25:00 I was raised on the coast between two rivers, the Tyne and the Wear. Raised my kids in London where we lived for over 20 years, then we all came back here three years ago. We live close to the coast. In summer my wife goes swimming in the sea nearly every day. 19:25:28 my grandfather was born in Sunderland 19:26:04 Small world! 19:26:09 it is! 19:26:21 other grandparents also born in the uk 19:27:58 coventry and so Forth 19:29:30 My father considered emigrating in the sixties (he worked in the shipyards) but he told me that he didn't want to see me conscripted until the Vietnam war. 19:30:15 s/until/into 19:30:50 Wilson refused to get involved in that. 19:31:10 awesome, he had a brain 19:31:27 He had a son. :) 19:31:46 I was nearly conscripted (1 year too young) and voted Whitlam in, he pulled the ausie troops out 19:31:55 thats a good reason! 19:32:12 then our drunkard of a governor general sacked whitlams govt 19:32:24 but the troops stayed home 19:33:04 TonySidaway, I'll be interested on your views of Fossil 19:33:16 I depend on it for everything and I know it quite well 19:33:51 it's a amazing piece of self contained software in my opinion 19:35:12 But yeah, a classical autodidact. Left school at 14, must have been an amazing guy in his time because I seem to have effortlessly imbibed so much from him. 19:39:50 I've read a lot of fossil propaganda. It sounds great. To me any kind of version control needs to have four properties: it should give me knowledge and control of filespace and time, to do that it must have atomic operations. And finally it must have distribution to external storage. 19:40:42 Fossil sounds like it could pass those tests. 19:42:42 thats only 3 properties ? 19:42:50 ok .. 4 19:43:29 it's *very* easy to back up as every fossil repo is a self contained file, *everything* is in that one file 19:43:51 pictures, code, pdf's, wiki, bug tracker 19:44:45 I do seriously type everything in on my phone. I record my thoughts on an online note manager (Evernote, but there are many other good Android apps.) 19:44:58 I have exactly 227 Fossil repositories 19:46:13 Fossil could well help to integrate a lot of what I do. 19:47:13 they range from 58,368 bytes to 1644MB in size 19:47:54 wow, i couldnt do that, it's a 27" monitor or nothing for me 19:48:42 I was an Oracle expert so I like the use of sqlite. Smart move. 19:50:49 yes, made by the same author to maintain sqlite 19:51:22 I have been able to do *everything* I wanted with fossil 19:54:34 To be honest most of what I do would work just fine in SCCS or VCS. It's great that there are websites specifically set up to help me to manage the offline storage. 19:56:08 I asked on #fossil how to create WWW files at time of the database creation and no one knew how as the doc only provides manual config after the Repo creation 19:56:59 I soon discovered how to manipulate the fossil repo database with SQL remotely at time of creation and have been using it ever since, all shell scripted 19:57:25 my Forth project builder does all that and TONS of other stuff in about 0.1 second 19:58:00 naming is the name of the PWD for all my projects 19:58:11 including the fossil repo etc 19:58:40 Sounds like you're a convert. 19:59:08 absolutely, I couldnt use anything else now 19:59:23 git for instance just has a flat form database iirc 19:59:40 not a relational one like fossil 20:00:01 seriously, fossil was made by a GHOD 20:02:21 No argument from me. I made a career out of RDBMS and this guy comes along and turns it into a software library you can link into your C application. 20:03:06 yeah, how awesome is that 20:03:48 I've always liked SQl, I loved postgress, made $5000 once making a Mecrisp-Stellaris access database 20:03:53 oops 20:04:02 a Microsoft 'access' database 20:04:19 that was back around 1997 20:04:33 hmm earlier, perhaps 1995 20:05:08 I went to Linux in august 1997 and that was the last time I used Windows, hence Access 20:18:05 TonySidaway, a fossil tip is you use the built in markdown for the wiki, pandoc is a great converter to use if you need it 20:22:59 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 21:03:37 --- join: gravicappa joined #forth 21:21:21 33 downloads of my Forth bootable "blue pill" binary in 10 days 22:18:28 hey guys 22:19:32 hey tabemann :) 22:19:44 33 downloads of my Forth bootable "blue pill" binary in 10 days ! 22:19:56 once it gets to 42 it will stop 22:20:19 retro: #2 #15 * #12 + n:put 22:20:20 42 22:20:38 just ask retro-bot ! 22:23:11 why will it stop at 42? 22:24:27 because only 42 people in the entire world use Forth 22:24:57 I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than 42 people in this channel (I haven't counted) 22:25:59 there are, but 31 of them are C users who have never used Forth and are lurking to see what the fuss is about ;-) 22:48:28 back 22:48:34 lol 22:48:36 welcome back! 22:48:52 I'm dealing with the strangest bug in hashforth 22:49:20 it seems that machine forth IF, ELSE, and THEN have stopped working correctly 22:49:24 and only in one word 22:51:46 lol 22:51:54 it's because I used ?dup before I defined it 22:51:56 revert to last working commit ? 22:52:02 hahah 22:52:08 that would do it I guess 22:52:12 so it used the ?dup from the underlying hashforth implementation 22:52:18 rather than the machine forth ?dup 23:10:44 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/19.11.16