00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.08.30 00:01:32 --- join: kori (~kori@arrowheads/kori) joined #forth 00:09:07 --- join: dave0 (~davezero@069.d.003.ncl.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 00:09:48 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 00:13:10 --- quit: kori (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:14:11 --- join: dys (~dys@2003:5b:203b:100:a64c:c8ff:fef4:13a6) joined #forth 00:18:42 --- join: kori (~kori@arrowheads/kori) joined #forth 00:31:05 --- quit: kori (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:52:56 --- join: kori (~kori@arrowheads/kori) joined #forth 01:03:37 --- quit: kori (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:09:04 --- join: kori (~kori@arrowheads/kori) joined #forth 01:34:48 --- quit: kori (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:40:15 --- join: kori (~kori@arrowheads/kori) joined #forth 01:43:03 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 01:55:09 morning 01:55:17 how's the Forth 01:56:01 the Forth is with me ... 02:01:45 <`presiden> may the forth be with you 02:05:18 I've had some excellent arguments with Arduino users over the last few weeks. The preconceptions they have about Forth are amazing 02:06:19 even the level of surety they maintain about something they know nothing about is amazing to see 02:18:51 what kind of stuff? 02:18:55 "write-only language" 02:19:33 actually no, they don't seem that far advanced 02:19:59 more like "old", "obsolete", "no longer used" 02:20:32 true, false, somewhat accurate 02:20:36 kekeke 02:20:58 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02:21:01 but arduino users are really the lowest tier of programmers, mainly they just use 'libraries' and copy and paste 02:22:03 I expected all the usual responses so it was no big deal 02:23:10 even a engineer at Atmel couldn't understand why Forth would want to save stuff to Flash and he 'hoped that wouldnt happen after the development was finished' 02:26:37 what, as in "never modify flash"? 02:27:06 I guess 02:27:26 The C world is so very different in embedded 02:30:45 "never modify flash (because I don't know how using C)" 02:32:01 probably cant comprehend why it would ever be needed 02:33:09 I auto generate templates for all my hardware so a Bitfield template may look like this 02:33:43 : USART1_CR2_CLKEN %1 11 lshift USART1_CR2 bis! ; \ USART1_CR2_CLKEN Clock enable 02:34:07 this kind of thing was met with cries of "impossible to understand" 02:34:56 yet these are the C users who dont seem aware that they have stuff like this in their C include files 02:35:31 #define PINMUX_PA04D_SERCOM0_PAD0 ((PIN_PA04D_SERCOM0_PAD0 << 16) | MUX_PA04D_SERCOM0_PAD0) 02:50:15 `%1 11 lshift` vs `(1 << 11)` seems to melt a so-called 'C' programmer's mind 02:56:21 it sure does 03:03:17 <`presiden> I'm melting 03:24:06 --- quit: tp (*.net *.split) 03:24:06 --- quit: X-Scale (*.net *.split) 03:24:07 --- quit: diginet2 (*.net *.split) 03:24:08 --- quit: ecraven (*.net *.split) 03:24:08 --- quit: bluekelp (*.net *.split) 03:24:08 --- quit: dzho (*.net *.split) 03:24:08 --- quit: Lord_Nightmare (*.net *.split) 03:24:08 --- quit: yunfan (*.net 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<_spt_> evening 13:53:14 --- quit: _spt_ (Remote host closed the connection) 14:22:19 --- join: learning_ (~learning@47.138.187.107) joined #forth 14:23:35 --- quit: learning (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14:34:55 --- join: xek (~xek@89-65-139-184.dynamic.chello.pl) joined #forth 14:41:45 --- quit: learning_ (Remote host closed the connection) 14:43:31 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 15:15:29 --- join: learning (~learning@47.138.187.107) joined #forth 15:39:35 good evening 15:46:08 hey 16:16:11 --- quit: john_cephalopoda (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 16:20:05 --- join: xek (~xek@89-65-139-184.dynamic.chello.pl) joined #forth 16:29:19 --- join: john_cephalopoda (~john@unaffiliated/john-cephalopoda/x-6407167) joined #forth 16:34:44 <`presiden> good evening 16:35:04 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16:36:40 --- join: tp (~Terry@2001:44b8:314b:a800::10) joined #forth 16:36:40 --- quit: tp (Changing host) 16:36:40 --- join: tp (~Terry@mecrisp/staff/tp) joined #forth 16:43:10 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