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02:27:09 <WilhelmVonWeiner> it's an include
02:28:16 <WilhelmVonWeiner> ...or a typo
02:28:47 <WilhelmVonWeiner> nothing found with `grep \"task /usr/share/gforth/0.7.3/` lol.
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15:12:31 <pointfree> WilhelmVonWeiner: I tried running this example https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Concurrent_computing#Forth but it didn't work. 
15:12:37 <pointfree> gforth 0.7.9_20190103 amd64
15:19:44 <pointfree> Interesting http://bradn123.github.io/literateforth/out/events_0001.html
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18:52:47 <rdrop-exit> c[] Good morning Forthwrights
18:54:20 <tp> morning man in the Philipines :)
18:54:38 <rdrop-exit> Hi tp :)
18:57:11 <tp> I made up a "Forth starter kit for the Blue Pill" a $2 Chinese board which uses a old stm32f103 mcu and have just finished the mandatory 100 edits and user feedback errors
18:57:33 <rdrop-exit> Kudos to you tp.
18:58:26 <tp> The "blue pill" is super popular with cheap arse hobbyists who would rather spend more on a packet of cigarettes than the latest $20 microprocessor 
18:59:14 <tp> but they may as well have a Forth option for it with a tutorial on the basics at least to being able to turn on a LED
18:59:23 <rdrop-exit> Cigarettes are more than $20? ;-)
18:59:24 <tp> which was my aim
18:59:44 <tp> no Cigarettes are more than two Blue Pills
19:00:11 <rdrop-exit> Wow
19:00:23 <tp> the mcu in the Blue Pill was released in 2007, so it's pretty ancient
19:01:01 <tp> have you heard of 'Arduino' by any chance ?
19:01:25 <rdrop-exit> Heard of it only, yes.
19:02:08 <tp> it's even more ancient, but not so cheap, basically uses a old Atmel Mega328 MCU and C++ with a ton of premade libraries
19:02:25 <tp> so it's very popular with artists and non tech types
19:03:23 <rdrop-exit> I would stay away from any tech buried under C++
19:03:31 <tp> I mention it because the Arduino people are trying to do the same with the same chip in the Blue Pill, which is ancient and not having a lot of success because it's ancient but very complex being Arm Cortex-M3
19:04:00 <tp> oh yeah, I think Arduino is a blight on embedded
19:04:18 <tp> but I'm in the minority as it's much loved by non techies
19:05:26 <tp> I see posts by Arduino users wonddering why the MCU seems to lock up when they are using the 'delay' function ...
19:05:57 <tp> or asking how to calculate a resistor value to drive a LED from 5 volts ...
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19:07:17 <tp> they have no tech skills, Arduino is Windows for computer users
19:07:33 <tp> or better still Mac for computer users ;-)
19:08:17 <rdrop-exit> I prefer Mac to Windows, at least it's POSIX underneath
19:08:39 <tp> because my starter kit is Forth based, I'm expecting a massive rush on the website of at least 2 new Forth users in the next month
19:08:59 <rdrop-exit> lol
19:09:07 <tp> OSX, absolutely, the Mach Kernel and Freebsd userland ?
19:09:51 <tp> Im with you there, Id rather stab my hand with a pencil than be forced to use Windows
19:10:30 <rdrop-exit> ouch
19:11:22 <tp> i seriously hate using windows and havent since 1997
19:11:51 <tp> i feel like my hands are tied behind my back with windows, no useful utilities or apps wtc
19:11:54 <tp> etc
19:12:26 <rdrop-exit> Same here, I can't remember the last time I used Windows
19:12:44 <tp> yeah, enuf said about that pos, long live FORTH!
19:12:55 <rdrop-exit> :)
19:14:16 <tp> I still consider my self a Forth beginner after running it since 2014 and I'm continually blown away by what it can do, and what I can do with it
19:14:43 <tp> and I only use Forth for small embedded
19:15:25 <rdrop-exit> Very cool
19:15:38 <tp> I started with assembler on PACE in 1975 so Im not new to embedded either
19:16:49 <rdrop-exit> Shame you only discovered it recently
19:18:07 <tp> actually I've worked on hardware for Forth twice before, once in 1975 and once in 1987 but I was only doing the hardware
19:18:55 <tp> I was always surprised by the enthuisasm of the Forth programmers on both occasions and promised myself that I'l "look into Forth oneday"
19:19:32 <tp> life went on by, marriage, family, building a home, divorce ... then finally Forth :)
19:20:10 <tp> Now of course I can see where Forth would have saved quite a few C projects from failure
19:20:10 <rdrop-exit> Time flies
19:20:26 <tp> quite a few of my C based hardware projects that is
19:20:37 <tp> time sure does fly
19:21:05 <tp> still, better late than never :)
19:21:23 <rdrop-exit> absolutely :)
19:25:07 <rdrop-exit> bbiab
19:25:42 <tp> no problemo 
19:33:51 <MrMobius> tp, which C projects were those?
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19:36:34 <tp> MrMobius, gahhh, those memories are painfull mainly because of lost income from my ineptitude!
19:38:24 <tp> one was a prototype heavy truck lubrication system that a client want me to design then supply 20 units a month which would have made me about $10000 a month back in 1990. Sadly my prototype failed at the big demo ...
19:39:00 <tp> my C design environment was shabby, I couldnt debug the project properly, my code was terrible etc
19:39:56 * tp hangs his head in shame
19:45:40 <MrMobius> thats tough
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19:49:19 <tp> It was, I vowed I'd never start a new project without having all the debug and dev tools I needed to complete it
19:51:22 <tp> then I started a wifi business and that took care of the next decade or so. Finally I looked into Forth and it seemed to offer the ability to build all those tools I needed
19:53:06 <tp> so I was  in 'Forth evaluation mode' from 2014 to 2017, then started a small commercial project in 2017 using Forth
19:55:10 <tp> that project exceeded my expectations using Forth :)
20:07:56 <MrMobius> what was that/
20:08:26 <tp> commercial ...
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