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08:52:21 <WilhelmVonWeiner> http://web.archive.org/web/20051214083244/http://www.karig.net/os/cf/index.html
08:52:53 <WilhelmVonWeiner> joe9: I wouldn't really recommend pforth for a beginner
08:53:02 <WilhelmVonWeiner> gforth or like... Lina Forth
08:56:46 <zy]x[yz> peeforth
09:01:15 <john_cephalopoda> WilhelmVonWeiner: There isn't that much difference between pforth and gforth. 
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09:04:03 <john_cephalopoda> http://thecutecuttlefish.org/tmp/forths.png
09:04:56 <john_cephalopoda> Both are pretty much ANS.
09:05:08 <joe9> john_cephalopoda: what do you think of colorforth? good starting point?
09:06:08 <WilhelmVonWeiner> have you used pforth?
09:06:43 <joe9> just playing around with it. finished the pforth tutorial.
09:07:00 <WilhelmVonWeiner> it just functions differently in some ways I remember being different in a bad way
09:07:15 <WilhelmVonWeiner> colorForth is both incredible, and the worst possible starting point
09:09:33 <WilhelmVonWeiner> colorForth is like Forth... but it's not the same as Forth
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09:11:45 <WilhelmVonWeiner> iirc Chuck's colorForth used a hash table instead of a linked list dictionary.
09:12:16 <WilhelmVonWeiner> so the environment was no longer hyperstatic, and his response was something like "who cares?"
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09:30:25 <john_cephalopoda> WilhelmVonWeiner: I have used pforth before. I have run various programs on it and it is my sole Forth on my phone.
09:31:14 <john_cephalopoda> Gforth stuff usually runs without modifications, except for some syntactic sugar that gforth added on top of the standard.
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14:18:15 <john_cephalopoda> My VM, which is written in RETRO forth, is now able to run RETRO. https://github.com/jmf/impexus
14:37:08 <WilhelmVonWeiner> You wrote an x86 VM in Retro?
14:39:29 <john_cephalopoda> I wrote an x86 assember in Retro, which is used to build the Nga VM, which in turn runs Retro.
14:50:04 <alex4nder> hmm, anyone have any good ASCII<->fixed-point words that work using base?
14:52:48 <john_cephalopoda> alex4nder: In which way do you want to convert those two?
14:53:03 <alex4nder> john_cephalopoda: I'm going both directions.
14:53:21 <john_cephalopoda> alex4nder: You mean you want to convert numbers to their ascii character and ascii characters to their numbers?
14:54:02 <alex4nder> yup, with arbitrary fixed point layouts, and bases
14:55:08 <john_cephalopoda> Hmm, which forth and which implementation are you working with?
14:55:35 <alex4nder> my own ITC forth,.. on cortex-m4
14:57:00 <john_cephalopoda> Aah, I don't know then.
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20:09:43 <ttmrichter> tp: https://i.imgur.com/dhFOrJd.jpg
20:12:54 <tp> bwahahahaha
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22:35:27 <lisbeths> Something in my soul tells me to switch from stacks to registers. If I implement 8 registers instead of a stack I don't have to push and pop the head. But I would still design words in a dictionary like in forth.
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22:45:28 <ttmrichter> lisbeths: Implement a register window and you have many of the benefits of both worlds.
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