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quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16:47:30 --- quit: ryke (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16:55:37 --- quit: john_cephalopoda (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16:57:44 --- join: jedb (~jedb@123.208.25.134) joined #forth 16:58:20 --- quit: jedb_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 17:00:04 --- join: jedb_ (~jedb@103.254.153.113) joined #forth 17:02:31 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 17:08:23 --- join: john_cephalopoda (~john@unaffiliated/john-cephalopoda/x-6407167) joined #forth 17:19:31 --- quit: X-Scale (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it) 17:59:42 --- join: dfode (~dfode@107-142-208-237.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 18:21:18 --- join: rdrop-exit (~markwilli@112.201.174.189) joined #forth 18:33:16 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 18:46:39 --- quit: dfode (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19:07:33 c[] Good morning Forthlads 19:07:48 --- quit: jedb_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19:10:21 --- join: jedb (~jedb@185.128.24.51) joined #forth 19:12:20 good morning obscure language user rdrop-exit :) 19:13:30 said to me, regarding Forth by a poster on a forum "apart from being in an obscure language few uses how is it any better than a C macro?" 19:14:08 directly after my Forth example of ": blink-power-led power-led-on 10 blocking-delay-seconds power led off ;" 19:14:41 I guess he must think that the English language is obscure ? 19:15:17 Batch language thinking is very ingrained in some people 19:15:24 ... I was suggesting Forth to a poster that asked "what is a good language for robots" 19:16:27 The Lego robots used to come with Forth 19:16:35 naturally it didn't take long for the 'C' Language trolls to drop their one liners as above 19:16:48 exactly 19:17:03 the OLPC laptops came with Forth and a excellent tutorial 19:17:57 this PC has a Forth bootloader, just like all Apple PC's 19:18:37 right, Mitch Bradley's OpenBoot, or whatever it's now called 19:18:46 everywhere I look I see Forth, why I was just looking into space at comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko ;-) 19:18:58 cool 19:19:49 Im running FreeBSD and it uses FICL Forth as it's bootloader 19:20:35 I've been wanting to setup a NetBSD box, haven't gotten around to buying the box 19:22:16 Comparing C to Forth is apples and oranges 19:22:29 I've run netbsd long, long ago, it came installed on embedded PC's that were used by the Olympic Games people at a Australian Olympic games 19:23:06 exactly, I usually wait a few days and give a neutral but helpful reply to the C trolls 19:23:43 I think those slimline IBM boxes were used for ticketing etc 19:23:59 col 19:24:02 cool 19:24:17 I use the troll replies as a foundation for some Forth examples advocacy 19:24:43 My interest in NetBSD is taking a closer look at their Rump Kernel thingie 19:24:58 Ive used Openbsd which I like, but my favorite so far is the Open version of Slowaris 19:25:26 my interest in netbsd is the package manager they use, PKGSRC 19:26:11 PKGSRC is a independent project and can be bootstrapped onto any OS giving access to 20k+ FreeBSD packages 19:26:41 The NetBSD Rump Kernel allows you to leverage all the NetBSD drivers, and optionally filesystem for your own "baremetal" Forth 19:26:59 thats pretty cool 19:27:49 It's an interesting concept for anyone wanting to leverage existing drivers without having to bring in a full OS 19:28:00 at my level of embedded (very low) 'libraries' are almost useless 19:28:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rump_kernel 19:28:40 in fact what most call a 'library' I call 'a configuration' 19:29:52 Right, this is only interesting for putting a Forth on bigger iron 19:31:07 for instance if one wanted to look for existing code for the LMT01 temperature sensor youd find a couple for Arduino which are copies of each other and the Ti reference manual which run continuously with one sensor only, and one from me, which is totally different as it allows multiple sensors and is written in Forth 19:32:28 Cool 19:32:49 yes, bigger iron with mostly the same hardware 19:32:50 I think that Libraries are only useful in such cases, where everything is much the same 19:33:12 I have used Perl on X86 for years and made extensive use of the Perl libs which saved me years of coding 19:33:38 so I get 'libraries' in such cases 19:34:56 This isn't really about libraries, it's about reusing NetBSD device drivers without the OS 19:35:19 isnt a device driver a library ? 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