00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.06.18 00:27:28 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 00:38:22 back 00:40:24 welcome back! 00:40:37 Hi tp, thanks :) 00:41:29 hi rdrop-exit, how goes the Forth ? 00:41:44 --- join: xek (~xek@apn-31-0-23-83.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) joined #forth 00:42:04 fint thAt word procesor manual ? 00:43:30 Not yet, have the older versions, which is enough for the moment 00:44:07 I was hoping to find out about some of the new features of the last version 00:44:34 IIRC the last WS version I ever used was 3.1 00:44:45 But they kept going to 7.0d 00:45:08 it can be frustrating trying to locate older manual on the net 00:45:44 I remember so many excellent manuals that were around before the net and they just dont exist online 00:45:57 Yes it can. 00:46:37 I still have a few of the small 3-ring binder style manuals, including HS/Forth. 00:48:05 I miss that format. 00:48:08 one can get the impression that if it's not on the net then it didnt exist .... except when one remembers it personally 00:48:39 Absolutely. 00:48:55 time does swallow things up, it's inevitable I guess 00:50:35 It feels like pre-web is prehistory. 00:51:34 so true 01:06:21 Read a fun book on a flight a couple of months ago, about many of the old software giants of the 80s that are now all but forgotten 01:07:14 In Search of Stupidity 01:07:22 yes, so many gone now 01:07:35 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590597214/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0 01:09:19 I've never had to search for stupidity, I have a large natural capacity for it built in! 01:09:39 --- join: WilhelmVonWeiner (dch@ny1.hashbang.sh) joined #forth 01:09:48 i was always in awe of DEC Aplhas 01:09:56 Alphas 01:10:14 then dec was acquired by Compaq 01:10:31 then Compaq was acquired 01:10:34 I miss anythin in the past 12 hours? Server restarted while I was away 01:11:20 WilhelmVonWeiner, dddddd> http://elearning.algonquincollege.com/coursemat/pincka/dat2343/lectures.f03/33-COM-and-EXE.htm 01:11:37 http://elearning.algonquincollege.com/coursemat/pincka/dat2343/lectures.f03/lectures.htm 01:11:49 The former local DEC country manager is a good friend, I felt bad for him when DEC was acquired by Compaq, then HP acquired Compaq. 01:11:49 if youre into dos etcc 01:12:16 Hi WilhelmVonW 01:12:18 then Carly Fiorina kinda destroyed hp 01:12:25 right 01:12:51 it's like different size fish in a fish tank, bigger eating smaller 01:12:54 I have a bunch of old DOS and BIOS books in a dusty box in storage, I should dig them up one day 01:13:34 I still have a DEC t-shirt and a bunch of DEC stickers 01:14:35 one day no one will remember them, and everyone will believe that bill gates invented the Internet and Steve jobs the computer 01:18:02 Oh well 01:18:15 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@94-137-100-130.customers.ownit.se) joined #forth 01:19:50 back in the early 90's I maintained a Quake Server under FreeBSD with 16 modem lines 01:20:02 it ran in linux compat mode 01:20:28 we used to have this guy connect that no one could beat, to glimpse him was to die 01:20:33 I just checked my shelves, the only DEC publication I could find is an booklet about LAN technology, found a couple of Sun booklets too 01:20:44 and he ran quake on a Dec Alpha 01:20:59 the rest of us used PC's 01:21:29 tp: that's so depressing 01:21:39 WilhelmVonWeiner, why ? 01:21:46 it was the early 90's 01:22:01 bill gates or steve jobs remembered as "the computer guy", I mean 01:22:27 ahh, yeah, history is rewritten by the victors 01:23:16 I was once offered a unopened VAX that had sat in storage at a bank for years, they had never opened the box. 01:23:26 amazing 01:23:49 I was given the original Perth Stock Exchange computer that had been in storage for decades 01:24:03 Wow, what was it? 01:24:31 it was wire wrapped cards made by Burroughs I think, the hard disk was a "Indy Hawk" 01:24:45 it still worked but was useless to me 01:24:50 wow 01:25:08 the whole thing was built in a large desk on wheels 01:25:36 weighed a ton, well the Indy Hawk took two to carry it 01:25:46 pointfree: was it you who mentioned Forth Day in california? 01:25:56 it was 01:26:03 Would love to go to one but I don't want the IRS knowing I'm employed 01:26:13 WilhelmVonWeiner: You should come to California for a Forth Day. 01:26:14 I only ever see Chuck once a year on Forth Day 01:26:19 And I need to renew my US passport to travel without a visa 01:26:39 pretty sure, anyway 01:26:43 They usually post the videos on the SVFIG youtube channel 01:26:52 you need a visa to visit california now ? 01:26:55 ;-) 01:27:33 I was born and live in the UK, but since my mother is from the US I am a US citizen 01:27:39 SSN and everything 01:28:01 I attended a few SVFIG meetings, probably the late 80s IIRC 01:28:15 after getting really comfortable with STM32F051 and so thought Id try a STM32L072 ... gahhh this low power stuff adds a LOT of extra config! 01:28:33 WilhelmVonWeiner, aha 01:28:56 WilhelmVonWeiner, all my ancestors come from the UK 01:29:26 US exert the authority of collecting taxes from all US citizens no matter where they are on the globe (over a certain threshold) so F THAT 01:31:08 The UK is brilliant except for the nanny state 01:31:19 and Australia exert authority over all countries to collect the Australia GST tax on their behalf if a Australian taxpayer buys anything from them! 01:32:08 if I rent a Digital Ocean server in Singapore, then they have to charge me 10% GST and send it to australia for instance 01:32:18 it's loony 01:32:30 Abusive taxation 01:32:39 idiotic taxation 01:33:19 wonder what % of the 10% "reclaimed" is lost in the bureaucracy of the operation 01:33:44 Australia doesnt seem to have worked out what happens if someone in Singapore (or anywhere else) rents a server in au, who collects and holds then remits the monies to the country of the buyer ? 01:34:37 naturally China doesnt play that game with Australia as Chinese are mostly unencumbered by records and tax remittances I think 01:35:24 WilhelmVonWeiner, right, and who from Australia can then demand that the monies collected be paid ? 01:37:10 aus bureaucrats meeting with singaporean bureaucrats 01:39:33 i guess the new Australian tax collection scheme is paying for a lot of overseas junkets for 'public servants' then 01:53:07 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Lost terminal) 04:34:48 --- quit: chunkypuffs (Remote host closed the connection) 05:24:52 --- join: chunkypuffs (~chunkypuf@static.203.112.216.95.clients.your-server.de) joined #forth 05:26:56 www.forth.org seems down 05:27:33 it is, has been the last few days, pointfree said he'd ask a friend about it 05:27:39 ah, ok. 05:27:53 thanks, good to know. 05:27:58 no problemo 05:28:48 just saw https://lobste.rs/s/nsrt4z and went rummaging around 05:29:36 it's a link to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SASQMl0rvYg 05:30:19 WilhelmVonWeiner: You should come to California for a Forth Day. 05:30:19 I only ever see Chuck once a year on Forth Day 05:31:18 this has got me wondering how much forth stuff is being picked up by the software heritage project 05:31:19 i tried listening to that video but couldnt make it out properly 05:35:55 --- quit: dave0 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:36:52 --- join: dave0 (~dave0@069.d.003.ncl.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 05:38:08 dzho: update... Dave Jaffe said he would contact the forth.org host. Leon Wagner says the nameservers aren't responding. 05:39:15 dzho, the amount of abandonware must be staggering now 05:40:03 the tyranny of gigabytes! 05:46:02 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 05:46:12 dzho: probably not enough 05:46:45 I keep meaning to take a weekend and make a Forth data dump site 05:47:16 to just fire docs at 05:58:46 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 06:17:26 * dzho nods 06:37:13 * pointfree is reading https://bradsprojects.com/generating-video-signals-with-a-microcontroller/ and The Cheap Video Cookbook https://www.tinaja.com/ebooks/cvcb1.pdf 06:38:00 * pointfree is ready for some forthy analog video graphics 06:39:34 All I need now is for the composite video screw terminal thing to arrive https://www.adafruit.com/product/2792 06:44:14 Yuichi Matta and his IchigoJam board got me into this. 06:46:14 interesting 06:46:30 are you doing it with the PIC? 06:48:58 I haven't tried it yet. Still waiting for the composite video screw terminal thing so I can connect my breadboard to the TV. 06:55:20 WilhelmVonWeiner: You wouldn't even need a microcontroller. 06:56:36 It should be possible with only passive components. 07:15:39 Don Lancaster of TV Typewriter fame 07:18:23 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@cm-58-10-154-231.revip7.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 07:18:23 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 07:33:53 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 07:56:22 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 09:04:09 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:38:30 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-111-7.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 13:14:36 --- log: started forth/19.06.18 13:14:36 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 13:14:36 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | If you have two (or more) stacks and speak RPN then you're welcome here! | https://github.com/mark4th' 13:14:36 --- topic: set by proteusguy!~proteus-g@cm-134-196-84-89.revip18.asianet.co.th on [Sun Mar 18 08:48:16 2018] 13:14:36 --- names: list (clog dys +proteusguy john_metcalf dddddd chunkypuffs WilhelmVonWeiner xek Keshl mstevens nonlinear john_cephalopoda djinni cantstanya Zarutian the_cuckoo sigjuice yunfan deesix jedb tp dne cheater X-Scale kori dbucklin dave9 zy]x[yz reepca +KipIngram MrMobius Lord_Nightmare APic nerfur pareidolia rpcope jn__ catern CORDIC lchvdlch jackdaniel amuck ullbeking arrdem__ lonjil bluekelp rprimus +crc rann nighty alexshpilkin jimt[m] siraben bb010g pointfree) 13:14:36 --- names: list (phadthai jhei a3f remexre diginet2 gaze___ vxe gabc ovf koisoke irsol malyn C-Keen dzho Kumool ttmrichter) 14:15:22 --- quit: xek (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 15:40:31 --- quit: alexshpilkin (Quit: Idle kick: User has been idle for 30+ days.) 16:29:38 --- quit: zy]x[yz (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16:30:01 --- join: zy]x[yz (~corey@unaffiliated/cmtptr) joined #forth 16:36:53 --- quit: john_cephalopoda (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 16:39:47 --- join: dave0 (~dave0@069.d.003.ncl.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 16:41:03 hi 16:41:40 --- quit: john_metcalf (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16:50:29 --- join: john_cephalopoda (~john@unaffiliated/john-cephalopoda/x-6407167) joined #forth 17:04:40 --- join: rdrop-exit (~markwilli@112.201.174.189) joined #forth 17:24:39 c[_] 17:25:27 hi rdrop-exit 17:25:52 Hi dave0 :) 17:31:22 --- join: tabemann (~tabemann@h193.235.138.40.static.ip.windstream.net) joined #forth 18:10:36 dave0, """.COM program addresses are not "memory range" checked and .COM programs can access and modify any (RAM) portion of the first Megabyte of memory (including the Operating System and its tables)""" 18:10:56 http://elearning.algonquincollege.com/coursemat/pincka/dat2343/lectures.f03/33-COM-and-EXE.htm 18:11:53 dddddd: ah thanks! 18:17:28 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18:30:58 --- quit: djinni (Quit: Leaving) 18:39:18 --- quit: dave0 (Quit: dave's not here) 18:39:44 --- join: djinni (~djinni@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de) joined #forth 19:11:40 --- join: tabemann (~tabemann@2600:1700:7990:24e0:a8c3:b476:359:e7d9) joined #forth 19:58:41 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 20:41:18 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@h83-174-248-9.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined #forth 22:30:30 --- quit: rpcope (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22:33:44 --- join: rpcope (~GOTZNC@muon.copesystems.com) joined #forth 22:57:14 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23:15:36 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23:41:23 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@mx-ll-180.183.96-148.dynamic.3bb.co.th) joined #forth 23:41:23 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/19.06.18