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00:01:49 <dave0> hi
00:12:52 <DKordic> Greeting dave0.  
00:14:29 <dave0> hi DKordic 
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01:15:09 <WilhelmVonWeiner> morning yall
01:16:34 <DKordic> Good morning WilhelmVonWeiner.  
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01:17:10 <WilhelmVonWeiner> How are ya
01:23:39 * DKordic is also trying to implement Lisp in Forth.  
01:25:01 <WilhelmVonWeiner> very cool - I know Abert van der Hoorst was working on that and has written about it on his website
01:28:16 <rain1> DKordic: interesting, i'd like to follow your progress
01:29:34 <rain1> http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/forthlectureH.html
01:36:41 <DKordic> rain1: Than You.  I have nothing to show so far :3 .  I am excited by You's and siraben's work.  Thank You for the link WilhelmVonWeiner and rain1.  
01:37:01 <DKordic> http://metamodular.com/closos.pdf is interesting.  
01:44:33 <siraben> rain1:  since we're talking about delimited continuations in Scheme, it be interesting to see what a Forth implementation would look like
01:44:55 <siraben> in #scheme I mean
01:45:02 <siraben> I've abused CATCH and THROW before to implement backtracking in Forth
01:46:03 <rain1> perhaps something that switches the two stacks back and forth
01:49:13 <jackdaniel> is there forth implementation called "back?
01:49:28 <jackdaniel> s/"back/"back"/
01:49:38 <jackdaniel> that would be pretty funny :)
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02:34:19 <siraben> BEGIN-STRUCTURE and END-STRUCTURE makes Forth so more powerful
02:34:38 <siraben> Basically C's structs
02:37:18 <WilhelmVonWeiner> sounds like bloat
02:38:13 <DKordic> siraben: Wouldn't ""[ struct ... ]"" be more reasonable?  
02:39:50 <siraben> WilhelmVonWeiner: But it's done in an effective way, it's just convenient
02:41:15 <siraben> E.g. the field words are basically constants, so if I have a structure like a POINT of (x,y), I can do something like FOO POINT.Y to get the address of y
02:41:42 <siraben> and FOO would be the address of a point, of course
02:42:57 <DKordic> Essentialy ""make"" and ""made""... methods of ""struct"".  Possibly some Sintactic Sugar as well.  
02:43:00 <WilhelmVonWeiner> : POINT.Y ( a - a) <y offset> + ; ?
02:43:56 <siraben> WilhelmVonWeiner: yes so it generates that code
02:44:29 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I see
02:44:37 <siraben> Imagine if you had more fields, and wanted to reorder them, it's easy with the structure defining words
02:44:50 <siraben> whereas with manual definitions you'd have to update all the offsets
02:45:55 <WilhelmVonWeiner> Aren't you just moving all the effort of changing a couple numbers into the compiler?
02:46:04 <siraben> https://forth-standard.org/standard/facility/BEGIN-STRUCTURE
02:46:37 <siraben> Right, but you could have fields of different sizes too etc
02:47:23 <WilhelmVonWeiner> hm
02:47:32 <WilhelmVonWeiner> perhaps interesting
02:47:43 <WilhelmVonWeiner> but not something I'd want to see in the standard
02:47:59 <WilhelmVonWeiner> at least it's optional huh
02:54:44 <WilhelmVonWeiner> whatever happened to the #forth standard?
05:44:25 <Zarutian> it went to the 'standards' pile
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06:02:00 <john_cephalopoda> Now there are 15 competing standards.
10:53:14 <KipIngram> Ok, whether or not CURRENT is searched is now switchable.
10:53:16 <KipIngram> voc tools tools defs forth only  ok
10:53:18 <KipIngram> : test2 1 2 3 . . . ;  ok
10:53:20 <KipIngram> test2 3 2 1  ok
10:53:22 <KipIngram> locals off  ok
10:53:24 <KipIngram> test2  test2 - Unrecognized word            0 5
10:53:26 <KipIngram> locals on  ok
10:53:28 <KipIngram> test2 3 2 1  ok
10:53:46 <KipIngram> Default is "on."
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19:13:20 <dave0> hi
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