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02:26:45 <rain1> thanks
02:31:16 <WilhelmVonWeiner> mornin'
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05:11:28 <john_cephalopoda> https://bpaste.net/raw/60b0dc3fc8b8 \o/
05:12:45 <john_cephalopoda> The infrastructure is so far, that I can now start to implement FIND, : and actually integrate Forth code into it.
06:21:20 <rain1> cool!
06:21:23 <rain1> do you have a repo for this?
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07:19:43 <john_cephalopoda> rain1: http://github.com/jmf/impexus
07:20:00 <john_cephalopoda> rain1: Requires gforth, nothing else.
07:20:56 <rain1> very nice
07:22:45 <john_cephalopoda> Thanks!
07:23:10 <john_cephalopoda> Oh, pforth also creates a working kernel but throws an error message in the end.
07:23:27 <john_cephalopoda> (The kernel runs though)
07:25:30 <rain1> ill be interested to see that project come on
07:27:26 <john_cephalopoda> I often hop from project to project, so updates aren't as frequent as I'd like them to be. 
08:03:34 <KipIngram> Morning guys.
08:04:45 <KipIngram> john_cephlopoda: what exactly are you aiming at with the pforth project?
08:26:10 <pagnol_> which forth web development frameworks are hot right now?
08:26:46 * PoppaVic chortles
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08:50:23 <john_cephalopoda> pagnol_: gforth, obviously.
08:52:13 <john_cephalopoda> I actually had some gforth code running via cgi on my webserver some time ago.
09:00:57 <pagnol_> john_cephalopoda, what did it do?
09:01:23 <john_cephalopoda> pagnol_: It rendered some mandelbrot set as ascii art. 
09:01:38 <pagnol_> nice
09:01:44 <john_cephalopoda> Was more a proof of concept than something that actually works.
09:02:30 <john_cephalopoda> It was a modified version of https://thecutecuttlefish.org/mandelbrot.html
09:04:16 <pagnol_> https://github.com/forthy42/gforth/blob/master/httpd.fs
09:05:39 <pointfree> There're some forth wasm implementations that could be used for web dev.
09:32:14 * Zarutian checks #forth and sees loads of activity
09:37:48 <Zarutian> pointfree: let me guess, there is a wasm function that is basically a switch whose cases implement the primitives and the default case implemnts calls. No?
09:39:17 <crc> pagnol_: I know of 1991 ( http://www.1-9-9-1.com ), and I use servers written in my own Forth to host all of my stuff.
09:42:01 <pagnol_> this is hilarious...
10:16:52 <WilhelmVonWeiner> Forth wasn't built for the web age, but it's doable
10:16:58 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I wouldn't recommend it
10:17:57 <PoppaVic> it wasn't built to print documents either, but postscript is "a thing".
10:19:29 <PoppaVic> I just find it amusing.. Yer C compiled forth compiling html and JS to pipe to a C-based server to present to a C-based client to run the C-based JS to then reply right back down.
10:20:26 <john_cephalopoda> Huh, postscript... now wondering if an (ANS) Forth extension could be written that can read interpret postscript.
10:20:47 <corecode> well yea
10:20:53 <corecode> they're almost the same language
10:21:07 <john_cephalopoda> "(Hello World!) show" is problematic though.
10:21:13 <WilhelmVonWeiner> lol PoppaVic apt description
10:21:33 <john_cephalopoda> The Forth interpreter would have to know that (texthere) is basically s" texthere"
10:22:13 <corecode> john_cephalopoda: oh you mean don't modify the interpret/compile loop?
10:22:29 <john_cephalopoda> corecode: Yeah, just as a wrapper layer.
10:24:22 <corecode> well the parser needs to be different i guess
10:25:39 <WilhelmVonWeiner> why would you avoid modifying the interpreter
10:26:16 <corecode> BIND DEF in the house
10:26:31 <corecode> wow now i just realized what bind does
10:26:33 <corecode> heh
10:27:49 <PoppaVic> class/oo crap, I suspect
11:06:51 <PoppaVic> I was tired of goddamned winter over a month ago - today is just pissin' me right off.
11:13:58 <WilhelmVonWeiner> winter this year has lasted about 1000 eons
11:18:30 <pagnol_> you live in the us presumably?
11:19:05 <PoppaVic> good call, yes
11:19:56 <PoppaVic> WilhelmVonWeiner: well, I left MI and was damned tired of snow. I'm nowhere near MI, and I still am goddamned tired of snow - at least they plow and salt in MI
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11:40:32 <WilhelmVonWeiner> pagnol: no
11:40:41 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I'm just very cold
11:41:00 <PoppaVic> it's all that global warming
11:41:24 <WilhelmVonWeiner> climate change
11:41:39 <PoppaVic> same nonsense - latest label
11:42:27 <WilhelmVonWeiner> it's pretty well-established science
11:42:35 <PoppaVic> it;s nonsense
11:42:40 <WilhelmVonWeiner> It's not.
11:42:46 <PoppaVic> too
11:44:30 <pagnol> I really enjoy looking at this https://erkin.party/blog/190208/spaghetti/genealogy.png
11:44:36 <WilhelmVonWeiner> poteholer54 on Youtube has responded to nigh on every argument disputing anthropogenic climate change
11:44:44 <WilhelmVonWeiner> Might be an interesting watch
11:44:57 <PoppaVic> not interested
11:45:18 <WilhelmVonWeiner> pagnol: I saw that, but they link Forth as a derivative of LISP which I found quite weird
11:45:52 <PoppaVic> I think CM dealt in lisp Waaaay Back - I don't recall why it bugged him, (prolly parens)
11:46:01 <WilhelmVonWeiner> Oh, that's a different version to the one I saw
11:46:15 <pagnol> ah yes... hmm
11:46:24 <pagnol> yes the author revised it 
11:46:24 <WilhelmVonWeiner> Chuck learned Lisp from McCarthy
11:47:06 <PoppaVic> I don't care where he learned it, I just recall something about fortran, lisp, drum drives, timeshare, and forth
11:49:33 <WilhelmVonWeiner> pagnol: as far as I can tell he removed Forth completely?
11:49:56 <WilhelmVonWeiner> It was a bunch of Fortran macros initially so idk
11:51:12 <pagnol> WilhelmVonWeiner, it's gotten rather crowded it's harder to find, but it's still there
11:51:42 <WilhelmVonWeiner> Lisp AND APL?
11:51:53 <pagnol> if you can find the red circle for lisp, and then follow the left-most arrow
11:52:22 <pagnol> I'm surprised forth's offspring isn't more numerous
11:52:48 <WilhelmVonWeiner> what does APL have to do with Forth?
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15:09:18 <corecode> my forth cpu can toggle a gpio in the simulator
15:09:20 <corecode> yey
15:13:08 <pagnol> your forth cpu?
15:14:46 <corecode> yes
15:15:04 <pagnol> what does that mean?
15:15:32 <corecode> i made a cpu that runs forth machine code
15:16:17 <pagnol> in a hdl?
15:16:29 <corecode> yes
15:17:07 <pagnol> hmm cool
15:19:11 <pagnol> do you have this on github or somewhere?
15:20:27 <corecode> yes
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15:20:41 <pagnol> did you implement things like dup etc in hardware?
15:21:44 <corecode> yes
15:21:53 <corecode> https://github.com/corecode/forth-cpu/blob/master/rtl/cpu.v
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17:55:34 <dave0> hi
17:59:40 <john_cephalopoda> Hi dave
17:59:56 <dave0> hi john_cephalopoda 
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19:34:20 <KipIngram> Hi dave0.
19:35:39 <dave0> ahoy KipIngram !
19:35:45 <KipIngram> :-)
19:36:27 <KipIngram> Did I mention yesterday having found some good papers on antenna matching?  Turned out there was an error in the design procedure in one of them.  I spent the afternoon and evening chasing it down and figuring out how to fix it.
19:36:36 <KipIngram> Went back to the paper site and posted a comment.
19:36:49 <KipIngram> So, sort of like fixing a bug in an open source package, but different arena.
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19:37:47 <KipIngram> It only caused a problem if load impedance was greater than source impedance, and his only example was the other way, so it worked out great.
19:38:05 <KipIngram> But for load>source it caused the procedure to produce what was effectively garbage.
19:39:25 <KipIngram> Made me wonder if the author was a broadcast industry radio engineer - they mostly use tube amps in the industry because of the very high power levels they run at, and tube amps have very high output impedance - almost always more than the antenna impedance.
19:40:01 <KipIngram> The "fix" I worked out does absolutely nothing if source>load, so skipping that bit would represent a sensible design shortcut if you always dealt with that case.
19:42:12 <travisb> hey guys
19:42:58 <KipIngram> Howdy travisb.
19:43:09 <crc> good evening travisb 
19:44:05 * travisb is making a bounded channel that can handle fixed size packets rather than just cells
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19:49:58 <travisb> I swear this is the first time I've seen someone with an manbun in Real Life
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21:53:45 <PoppaVic> hehehaha,, manbun.. Always makes me want a pair of scissors - or a lighter.
22:40:33 <tabemann> manbuns are appropriate on samurai or sumo wrestlers or like - not on hipsters
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23:02:24 <PoppaVic> goes well with the apropos manpurse and the limp wrist.
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