00:00:00 --- log: started forth/19.01.21 00:00:16 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 00:00:36 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@185.189.254.154) joined #forth 00:03:23 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00:42:37 --- join: xek_ (~xek@apn-31-0-23-82.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) joined #forth 02:04:09 --- quit: ashirase (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:07:01 --- join: ashirase (~ashirase@modemcable098.166-22-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined #forth 02:10:52 --- join: rdrop-exit (~markwilli@112.201.166.158) joined #forth 02:40:52 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 03:31:36 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 04:27:47 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@h109-187-251-146.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined #forth 04:48:49 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 05:16:43 proteusguy: I have a server and some storage I get for free via university, if you have Forth resources you want mirrored I'm sure I can set something up 05:16:59 Since *a lot* is disappearing 05:17:15 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 05:20:51 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@42-200-116-86.static.imsbiz.com) joined #forth 05:22:46 just upload it to archive.org 05:23:33 not a great central database though. I'll heirarchically organise what I can find later today, after multiplying these matrices 05:31:52 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 05:36:50 WilhelmVonWeiner: Multiplying matrices? 05:37:45 yep 05:39:56 In Forth? 05:40:34 Retro Forth 05:41:09 Nice. 05:54:29 huh apparently SD cards have some sort of microcontroller on board to deal with correcting flash memory errors 05:54:30 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3554 05:54:46 "In modern implementations, the microcontroller will approach 100 MHz performance levels, and also have several hardware accelerators on-die." 05:54:50 A Forth for SD cards, anyone? 05:55:50 ya 05:55:55 As KipIngram noted, the notion of reliable flash storage is fallacious and is only possible through constant error corrected 05:55:55 correction* 05:55:56 8051 core 05:55:59 often 06:00:40 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: Lost terminal) 06:07:08 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-b@cm-58-10-154-54.revip7.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 06:07:08 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 06:20:46 --- join: Kumool (~Khwerz@adsl-64-237-233-246.prtc.net) joined #forth 06:23:56 --- join: MrMobius (~default@c-73-134-82-217.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:26:10 --- quit: xek_ (Remote host closed the connection) 06:26:39 --- join: xek_ (~xek@apn-31-0-23-82.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) joined #forth 06:47:54 100 MHz µC on an SD card? Heh. 06:48:15 And it even has up to TB storage built-in! 06:50:00 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 07:22:27 i tried getting the usb stick controllers, but they're not readily available 07:23:06 Just buy an USB stick and solder the controller out ;) 07:24:09 Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to design a mainboard for a computer. 07:28:28 --- quit: tabemann_ (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 07:29:11 depends what kind of computer 07:58:15 john_cephalopoda: if you have experience, not so, if you don't, very much so 07:59:22 Computer parts are easy to buy. Slapping them together onto a board is simple. Making a PCB is simple. 07:59:29 The only hard part is designing that board. 07:59:50 uhm 08:00:01 do you know how to solder bga chips? 08:04:06 Looks like that should be doable with reflow soldering. 08:05:11 --- quit: lchvdlch (Quit: Reconnecting) 08:05:19 --- join: lchvdlch (~nestr0@191.98.151.137) joined #forth 08:17:46 --- quit: Kumool (Remote host closed the connection) 08:18:12 --- join: Kumool (~Khwerz@adsl-64-237-233-246.prtc.net) joined #forth 08:38:39 only if you have a stencil 08:40:16 --- join: darithorn (~darithorn@75.174.238.174) joined #forth 08:47:16 --- quit: nighty- (Remote host closed the connection) 08:59:21 * Zarutian butts in 08:59:26 Oh, no, the latest Mastodon has that horrible post layout that I already hated when browsing tumblr: https://chaos.social/tags/forth 08:59:42 Impossible to see which post is new and which one is old. 09:00:05 WilhelmVonWeiner: stencil one can make from a sodacan with metal shears. 09:01:21 john_cephalopoda: hate that kind of ui/ux disfunction 09:05:02 It's horrible. 09:05:32 But having a stylish, useless UI appears to be more important than something that is fun to work with nowadays. 09:07:09 you have seen piclist.com? It is ugly as hell but damn is it navigatable and informative 09:12:50 Take http://www.rdrop.com/ 09:13:21 It is obviously not the latest in web design, but you can instantly find what you want. 09:13:29 No sub-menus, written in CSS. 09:13:54 Just simple links that show you exactly what you are looking for. 09:15:17 * Zarutian saw what I thought was a Netscape Navigator icon but sees it is Any Browser ;-Þ 09:15:49 The site is from 1997. 09:16:53 They got shirts http://www.rdrop.com/agora/t-shirts.html# 10:22:52 --- quit: gravicappa (Read error: No route to host) 10:32:00 siraben, Bunnie's a friend of mine. He lives in Singapore presently. Amazing guy. 10:41:21 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-123-74.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 11:29:39 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 11:29:58 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host53-189-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 12:09:29 --- quit: xek_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:16:29 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:25:28 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-084-25.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 12:30:06 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 12:41:19 What is the best way to output numbers formatted with grouped thousands? 12:41:33 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-107-136.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 12:54:10 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13:02:27 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-102-240.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 13:52:05 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14:13:05 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-101-189.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 14:16:15 Croran: Have you got an example for how exactly you imagine it? 14:57:09 --- nick: moony -> ynoom 16:06:09 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:12:24 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@42-200-116-86.static.imsbiz.com) joined #forth 16:34:50 --- quit: the_cuckoo (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16:50:50 --- quit: john_cephalopoda (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16:52:39 --- join: john_cephalopoda (~john@unaffiliated/john-cephalopoda/x-6407167) joined #forth 16:53:25 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 16:53:40 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@185.189.254.154) joined #forth 17:03:50 --- join: the_cuckoo (~charlie@d51A50AE9.access.telenet.be) joined #forth 17:33:39 --- join: tabemann_ (~tabemann@h193.235.138.40.static.ip.windstream.net) joined #forth 17:34:21 --- join: X-Scale (~ARM@83.223.243.178) joined #forth 18:03:38 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 18:15:38 --- quit: tabemann_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18:16:20 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 18:49:39 john_cephalopoda: 1000000 .thousands 1,000,000 ok 18:50:48 john_cephalopoda: 9223372036854775807 .thousands 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ok 19:03:27 just do regular string conversion (which is easiest done in reverse), inserting a comma every three characters 19:05:03 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 19:11:40 ok. there's no way to do it with the number formatting words? 19:30:18 Croran: http://forth.works/80c4ff90b12049da13bc54daff737c75 19:30:58 (from a 2012 c.l.f. post by Paul Rubin) 19:35:11 Thanks. This looks like what zy]x[yz suggested. 19:35:20 the n3 word seems to do the same as . 19:36:10 87189237123 n3 87189237123 ok 19:36:13 kind of odd. 19:38:37 --- join: tabemann_ (~tabemann@2600:1700:7990:24e0:8d7a:3d82:9669:8573) joined #forth 19:40:28 . adds a trailing space after the number 19:41:33 ah ok 20:06:35 --- quit: darithorn (Quit: Leaving) 20:39:43 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 20:40:00 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host53-189-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 21:39:29 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 21:39:45 --- quit: Kumool (Quit: EXIT) 22:05:01 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22:15:20 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:15:32 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host53-189-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 22:24:21 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22:27:44 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host53-189-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 22:29:25 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@h109-187-251-146.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined #forth 22:32:08 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22:35:36 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host53-189-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 22:50:23 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 22:50:44 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host53-189-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 23:46:36 --- nick: luptenschteiner -> probonono 23:47:11 --- quit: probonono (Changing host) 23:47:11 --- join: probonono (~User@unaffiliated/probonono) joined #forth 23:57:41 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/19.01.21