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04:56:09 <KipIngram> Morning gents.
04:57:24 <john_cephalopoda> Hey KipIngram 
04:58:41 <siraben> Hi KipIngram KipIngram 
04:59:41 <KipIngram> Is there an echo in here?  ;-)
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09:49:58 <john_cephalopoda> My mandelbrot set viewer at the edge of float precision: https://thecutecuttlefish.org/tmp/test.jpg
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10:38:28 <john_cephalopoda> I think my code has a bug.
10:46:18 <zy]x[yz> probably should just trash it and start again from scratch
10:47:51 <john_cephalopoda> Hmm?
10:53:41 <mark4> whats your code?
10:54:01 <mark4> actually i have a meeting to go to i have to ask you later :)
11:09:38 <john_cephalopoda> mark4: https://thecutecuttlefish.org/mandelbrot.html
11:16:11 <WilhelmVonWeiner> john_cephalopoda: lines like "DUP ITERATION 2 ROT WRITE-FILE DROP" are repeated a lot
11:16:26 <john_cephalopoda> Yeah, I should fix that some time.
11:16:28 <WilhelmVonWeiner> that's used 4 times, why not make it a word?
11:20:25 <john_cephalopoda> I will replace all of that code later anyway.
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11:50:49 <mark4> john_cephalopoda: cool!
11:51:06 <john_cephalopoda> mark4: Thanks!
11:51:30 <mark4> i could do a port into x4 but it would have to be ALL in a console text mode lol
11:52:10 <mark4> oh. your doing floating point? no fp in x4
11:53:15 <mark4> how fast is your code? i can see some potential speed ups
11:53:41 <mark4> instead of : foo .... if .......... then ;  maybe have foo ..... not ?exit ...... ;
11:54:00 <mark4> also your do loops could maybe be for loops
11:54:19 <mark4> except where you are using i/j of course
11:54:31 <WilhelmVonWeiner> john doesn't like the forthiest forth constructs
11:55:06 <mark4> yea  basically only in fb_clear so meh no point lol
11:55:55 <john_cephalopoda> mark4: It's all in console text mode.
11:56:03 <mark4> yea i see that now too
11:56:03 <john_cephalopoda> It can also do sixels and print to farbfeld.
11:56:24 <mark4> i have a 3d rotating dots demo in x4
11:56:37 <mark4> wrote my own terminfo parser and text user interface in it
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11:56:50 <mark4> but i dont have floating point
11:57:28 <john_cephalopoda> Mmh, that's required for Mandelbrot (although there might be ways to work around that...)
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11:57:55 <mark4> i think it could be done with integer math :P
11:58:09 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I was thinking fixed point too
11:58:26 <WilhelmVonWeiner> was gonna start on it but decided to do codewars kata instead
11:59:00 <john_cephalopoda> Advent of code is soon.
12:00:06 <mark4> the code would look MUCH cleaner in x4
12:00:06 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I considered a private leaderboard but nobody seemed interested.
12:00:11 <mark4> no [char] x
12:00:13 <mark4> just do 'x' 
12:00:30 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I think gforth can do that with the & prefix?
12:00:32 <mark4> tho that does not work with a space it thinks its "tick tick"
12:00:48 <mark4> but we always have bl
12:01:04 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I define : c' POSTPONE [CHAR] ; IMMEDIATE to do that kind of thing
12:01:13 <mark4> [char] x [char] y [char] z  looks way cleaner as 'x' 'y' 'z'
12:01:24 <mark4> and i HATE "postpone" with a PASSION
12:01:29 <WilhelmVonWeiner> c' x c' y c' z... yeah, you're right
12:01:31 <mark4> i will never define postpone
12:01:41 <WilhelmVonWeiner> lol, what did postpone do to you
12:01:52 <mark4> i dont like unclosed characters or strings
12:01:57 <mark4> ." this is not valid
12:02:04 <mark4> so why is 'x valid
12:02:34 <mark4> postpone is a feeble and flawed attempt to force portability which does the job of both compile and [compile] 
12:02:43 <mark4> neither of which is broken
12:03:01 <WilhelmVonWeiner> is postpone some kind of STATE layer on top of compile/[compile]
12:03:26 <mark4> no idea.
12:03:32 <WilhelmVonWeiner> i shall have to look this up
12:03:48 <mark4> you know the difference between compile and [compile] i assume
12:04:18 <mark4> compile takes the next token out of the EXECUTION stream and compiles it.  [compile] takes the next token out of the INPUT stream and compiles it
12:04:32 <WilhelmVonWeiner> yeah
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12:06:39 <dave0> hi
12:06:46 <WilhelmVonWeiner> `: c' [compile] [char] ; immediate` also works as intended 
12:07:12 <mark4> the objection is "omfg now you have to know what words are immediate!"
12:07:41 <mark4> my 'x' is built into number
12:07:50 <mark4> like $xx and %nnnnnn
12:08:29 <WilhelmVonWeiner> I like that
12:16:35 <mark4> https://github.com/mark4th  its all in there, you can copy it :)
12:19:30 <mark4> yea it being built into number allows you to do -'x'
12:19:42 <mark4> instead of [char] x negate
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23:36:32 <dave0> re
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