00:00:00 --- log: started forth/18.09.25 00:53:44 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 00:57:56 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:15:39 --- join: ncv (~neceve@2a02:c7d:c5c9:a900:6eaf:6ef7:3b81:d5f6) joined #forth 01:15:39 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 01:15:39 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 01:20:46 --- quit: epony (Remote host closed the connection) 01:38:15 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-172-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 01:42:35 --- join: epony (~epony@unaffiliated/epony) joined #forth 02:04:36 --- quit: ashirase (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02:08:03 --- join: ashirase (~ashirase@modemcable098.166-22-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined #forth 02:39:02 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 03:01:39 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:12:09 --- join: X-Scale (~ARM@55.198.28.37.rev.vodafone.pt) joined #forth 03:51:57 --- join: [1]MrMobius (~default@c-73-134-82-217.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined #forth 03:55:22 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 03:55:23 --- nick: [1]MrMobius -> MrMobius 03:58:56 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13388/zhaoxin-shows-x86-compatible-kaixian-kx6000 03:59:08 little offtopic 04:05:12 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 04:34:56 --- quit: leaverite (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 04:47:31 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@175.158.225.222) joined #forth 04:47:31 --- quit: wa5qjh (Changing host) 04:47:31 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@freebsd/user/wa5qjh) joined #forth 04:59:38 --- quit: wa5qjh (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 05:02:50 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@175.158.225.222) joined #forth 05:02:50 --- quit: wa5qjh (Changing host) 05:02:50 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@freebsd/user/wa5qjh) joined #forth 05:07:27 --- join: dk_jackdaniel (~jackdanie@hellsgate.pl) joined #forth 05:20:44 That's awesome 05:21:55 nice to see some competition in the x86 sphere 05:24:49 this is Cyrix, reborn 05:24:55 IIRC 05:25:08 do VIA still make cpus? 05:30:49 https://www.viatech.com/en/silicon/processors/ <--- apparently 05:31:19 (even for the international market, it seems) 05:37:39 --- join: siraben (~user@unaffiliated/siraben) joined #forth 05:39:26 Hi all, I'm trying to understand DOES> , but not sure how I should implement it. Any suggestions for resources? 05:44:03 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05:56:18 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 05:58:38 tbh VIA pretty lose possibility of "owning" market like arduino/raspberry, their *ITX was amazing and even small enough 06:25:55 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:27:06 --- join: Guest5800_ (uid172710@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vznwrozpgbohaeoq) joined #forth 06:39:30 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:47:49 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:48:21 --- join: rdrop-exit (~markwilli@112.201.162.180) joined #forth 07:27:32 --- quit: jedb (Remote host closed the connection) 07:27:46 --- join: jedb (~jedb@199.66.90.113) joined #forth 07:44:10 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 07:54:55 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:55:06 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 07:56:42 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:00:22 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:17:14 --- quit: dave9 (Quit: one love) 08:48:05 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-173-233.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 09:14:24 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:14:37 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 09:41:39 --- quit: siraben (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 10:15:38 --- quit: ncv (Remote host closed the connection) 10:40:30 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 10:42:10 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 10:50:28 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 11:55:34 --- quit: rdrop-exit (Quit: rdrop-exit) 12:23:52 --- join: [1]MrMobius (~default@c-73-134-82-217.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:24:48 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:24:49 --- nick: [1]MrMobius -> MrMobius 12:47:03 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 12:52:53 --- join: lemonpepper24 (~lemonpepp@nat-x098-040.reshsg.uci.edu) joined #forth 13:24:53 --- join: ntalin (~user@c-73-223-156-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:25:12 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:25:21 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 13:26:33 If I want to learn Forth and already know C and some assembly, should I start with Starting Forth or Thinking Forth? 13:34:53 Never mind, read both of their intros. 13:35:02 --- quit: ntalin (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1)) 13:58:41 Starting Forth 13:59:49 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:00:03 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 14:38:29 --- quit: gravicappa (Remote host closed the connection) 15:03:28 Both would be good to read, though. I have pretty high regard for Thinking Forth. 15:03:52 But SF is better for the "technical details." More like what K&R is for C. 15:04:20 I think Starting Forth is a little simple compared to K&R 15:04:27 Or maybe it's just that Forth is that much simpler 15:04:41 and K&R says a lot that probably doesn't need to be said 15:09:59 Yeah, I did think I was stretching a little on that example. 15:10:05 TF is just very different, though. 15:10:21 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 15:26:48 --- quit: cheater (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15:29:35 --- join: cheater (~cheater@unaffiliated/cheater) joined #forth 15:34:44 I need a hardcover Thinking Forth 15:35:18 I've got a softcover "real" one somewhere up on my bookshelf. 15:36:23 I have a hardcover Starting Forth but the front is a little ripped up and the inside is a little dirty 15:36:41 Means it's been well-used. 15:36:41 it was an ex-library copy and I didn't realise until I bought it 15:37:14 Nice to know people actually took it out the library, and it does seem to have random marks all the way throughout so they finished it too 15:37:25 Would like a "like new" copy though. 15:46:52 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@175.158.225.222) joined #forth 15:46:52 --- quit: wa5qjh (Changing host) 15:46:52 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@freebsd/user/wa5qjh) joined #forth 16:06:44 --- quit: Guest5800_ (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 16:12:29 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16:12:40 --- nick: jn__ -> jn 16:13:29 --- nick: jn -> jn__ 16:45:11 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@kyotolabs.asahinet.com) joined #forth 16:47:57 --- quit: jedb (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:03:59 --- join: tabemann (~tabemann@rrcs-162-155-170-75.central.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 17:44:22 --- quit: cheater (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 17:46:48 --- join: cheater (~cheater@unaffiliated/cheater) joined #forth 17:53:19 --- quit: tabemann (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18:25:48 --- join: jedb (~jedb@116.251.60.75) joined #forth 18:28:24 --- join: jedb_ (~jedb@199.66.90.209) joined #forth 18:31:28 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:47:00 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18:48:48 --- quit: lemonpepper24 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:55:18 --- nick: jedb_ -> jedb 19:03:11 --- join: X-Scale (~ARM@182.221.28.37.rev.vodafone.pt) joined #forth 19:21:44 --- join: tabemann (~tabemann@172-13-49-137.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 19:45:36 --- join: lemonpepper24 (~lemonpepp@nat-x098-040.reshsg.uci.edu) joined #forth 20:03:10 I have a question 20:03:14 what use is the ALSO word 20:03:43 since it just turns widn ... wid2 wid1 into widn ... wid2 wid1 wid1 20:45:20 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:45:34 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 20:47:49 --- quit: pierpal (Client Quit) 20:48:06 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 20:50:09 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:54:04 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host102-235-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 20:55:26 --- join: dave9 (~dave@90.20.215.218.dyn.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 20:56:30 hi 21:06:47 hey 21:06:56 how much do you know about wordlists? 21:39:18 --- join: [X-Scale] (~ARM@182.221.28.37.rev.vodafone.pt) joined #forth 21:40:28 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:40:29 --- nick: [X-Scale] -> X-Scale 22:00:52 --- join: dys (~dys@p54BF5E3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 22:11:57 --- quit: dave9 (Quit: one love) 22:33:18 --- quit: wa5qjh (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23:19:21 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@175.158.225.222) joined #forth 23:19:22 --- quit: wa5qjh (Changing host) 23:19:22 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@freebsd/user/wa5qjh) joined #forth 23:20:40 --- join: dave9 (~dave@90.20.215.218.dyn.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 23:21:18 re 23:26:39 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-173-233.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 23:28:42 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23:52:37 --- quit: wa5qjh (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 23:55:05 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@175.158.225.222) joined #forth 23:55:05 --- quit: wa5qjh (Changing host) 23:55:05 --- join: wa5qjh (~quassel@freebsd/user/wa5qjh) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.09.25