00:00:00 --- log: started forth/18.06.28 00:21:04 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 00:49:57 --- join: proteus-guy (~proteus-g@14.207.98.234) joined #forth 00:59:36 --- join: reepca` (~user@208.89.170.230) joined #forth 01:01:26 --- quit: reepca (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01:01:34 --- nick: reepca` -> reepca 01:08:02 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 01:38:35 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@73.sub-174-204-19.myvzw.com) joined #forth 01:38:38 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@host86-191-16-233.range86-191.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 01:46:19 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02:45:21 --- join: MickyW (~MickyW@p4FE8C898.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 02:49:20 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 02:54:26 --- quit: proteus-guy (Remote host closed the connection) 03:20:02 --- join: proteus-guy (~proteus-g@cm-134-196-84-82.revip18.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 03:22:38 --- quit: proteus-guy (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:23:31 --- join: proteus-guy (~proteus-g@cm-134-196-84-82.revip18.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 03:53:29 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@59.sub-174-204-11.myvzw.com) joined #forth 04:27:28 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 04:55:00 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 04:55:19 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host45-58-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:06:46 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 06:16:16 --- quit: pierpal (Remote host closed the connection) 06:24:17 --- quit: MickyW (Quit: Leaving. Have a nice time.) 06:44:21 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 07:28:30 --- join: jedb (~jedb@199.66.90.113) joined #forth 08:18:51 --- join: [1]MrMobius (~default@c-73-134-82-217.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:21:39 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08:21:39 --- nick: [1]MrMobius -> MrMobius 08:27:23 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host45-58-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:27:55 --- quit: groovy2shoes (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:38:58 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09:22:42 --- join: tadni_ (~tadni@24-182-175-184.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined #forth 10:14:12 --- part: tadni left #forth 10:21:25 --- join: Labu (~Labu@labu.pck.nerim.net) joined #forth 10:30:01 --- quit: sigjuice (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 10:46:22 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@211.sub-174-204-36.myvzw.com) joined #forth 12:02:42 --- quit: Labu (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12:02:56 jeff fox was an awful writer 12:03:46 I'm trying to read this thing he wrote about metacompilation and halfway in it's like he's still describing forth to a person who's never seen forth before 12:06:03 --- join: yuiop (2d1f5dab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.31.93.171) joined #forth 12:14:34 --- join: Labu (~Labu@labu.pck.nerim.net) joined #forth 12:19:39 --- nick: tadni_ -> tadni--- 12:22:54 --- quit: ncv (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 12:25:08 --- join: tadni_ (~tadni@24-182-175-184.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined #forth 12:26:13 --- join: ncv (~neceve@2a02:c7d:c5c9:a900:c1c7:50c:8461:8572) joined #forth 12:26:30 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 12:26:30 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 12:34:25 --- quit: tadni_ (Quit: Leaving) 12:34:47 --- join: tadni_ (~tadni@24-182-175-184.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined #forth 12:35:43 --- quit: ncv (Remote host closed the connection) 12:35:49 --- join: ncv (~neceve@2a02:c7d:c5c9:a900:14fa:fcbb:861b:b7e6) joined #forth 12:35:49 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 12:35:49 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 12:38:00 --- quit: ncv (Remote host closed the connection) 12:38:19 --- join: ncv (~neceve@2a02:c7d:c5c9:a900:c1c7:50c:8461:8572) joined #forth 12:38:19 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 12:38:19 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 12:50:22 --- quit: tadni_ (Quit: Leaving) 12:50:42 --- join: tadni_ (~tadni@24-182-175-184.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined #forth 12:52:16 --- quit: tadni--- (Quit: tadni---) 13:00:47 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 13:01:09 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host45-58-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 13:15:15 --- join: pierpa (4f2c3a2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.44.58.45) joined #forth 14:11:34 I know exactly what you mean. 14:11:59 And he seemed to never really talk about implementation *details*. Just talked in general ways about what was being done. 14:12:33 And I've come to suspect that a lot of the "nifty keen" things he discusses carried along with them some downsides, and he NEVER mentioned those. 14:12:40 It was all super-positive marketeering. 14:13:29 I've still found some of that stuff educational, though, when I've been willing to sift through all of it. 14:13:38 metacompilation? is that when you are compiling a forth on one architecture to run another? 14:13:44 run on* 14:13:50 I'd call that cross-compilation. 14:13:55 But you may be right. 14:14:01 I'm not sure what else meta would mean. 14:14:05 KipIngram, yeah, agree. 14:14:16 Could he just be talking about compiling the compiler? System re-building itself? 14:14:18 or is it more like macro assembler or special forms in Scheme Lisp? 14:14:44 and I think jeff fox uses metacompilation to mean a forth that can bootstrap another forth 14:15:10 he has other terms to specify whether it's for the same platform, or for another platform, etc 14:15:13 yeah, I call that cross compilation and not meta compilation. 14:15:26 it may not be cross though 14:16:43 cross implies you're compiling for one platform from another platform 14:16:46 across different Forth memory instances. (Like you can do with Squeak Smalltalk VM images, you can make a new one by using the current one to do it) 14:16:55 weird 14:17:53 I'm just going to start using cross compilitation to refer to when I'm compiling while angry 14:18:00 heck, he could be using aForth as an extened macro assembler to bootstrap bForth 14:18:00 for maximum confusion 14:18:54 Yeah, I prowled around the source code for "ForthOS" once - a bare metal implementation someone did. 14:19:05 zy]x[yz: quite cross compilation? why not compile a compilation of your cross compilation faces? ;-Þ 14:19:05 It can bootstrap itself, and there's some kind of funky pointer management involved. 14:19:49 oh I forgot about forthos 14:20:44 I booted it up in a vm once when I was just getting into forth. I should give it another look now that it would probably make sense to me 14:22:25 --- quit: ncv (Remote host closed the connection) 14:22:28 --- join: ncv_ (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 14:37:21 Right now I'm focused on getting this new one up and running under MacOS, but at some point I'd like to try to make it bare metal capable. I have that goal in the back of my mind as I work - trying to make the "system touch points" very well-defined. 14:37:36 I'll have to learn some new things for that. 15:20:47 --- part: yuiop left #forth 16:22:47 --- quit: nighty-- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 17:26:40 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 18:22:48 --- join: johnnymacs (~user@75-147-181-45-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 19:06:27 --- quit: karswell_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19:07:50 --- join: karswell_ (~user@cust125-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net) joined #forth 19:33:19 --- quit: johnnymacs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:42:47 --- quit: pierpa (Quit: Page closed) 20:09:30 --- quit: reepca (Remote host closed the connection) 20:26:18 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 20:26:35 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host45-58-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 20:42:50 --- quit: johnmark (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 20:43:12 --- join: johnmark (~johnmark@64.53.247.121) joined #forth 20:51:21 --- quit: karswell_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:52:32 --- join: karswell_ (~user@cust125-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net) joined #forth 21:22:55 --- quit: ncv_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:30:03 --- quit: xek_ (Remote host closed the connection) 23:30:22 --- join: xek_ (~xek@192.55.54.38) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.06.28