00:00:00 --- log: started forth/18.06.14 00:16:19 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00:20:40 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@132.sub-174-204-10.myvzw.com) joined #forth 00:24:21 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 00:38:18 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 00:46:57 --- join: ncv_ (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 00:56:59 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-28-152.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 01:05:38 --- join: mayuresh (~mayuresh@182.58.178.147) joined #forth 01:06:02 --- part: mayuresh left #forth 02:33:52 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 02:47:07 --- quit: Keshl (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 02:47:59 --- join: Keshl (~Purple@24.115.185.149.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 03:32:14 --- join: proteus-guy (~proteus-g@cm-134-196-84-37.revip18.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 03:49:25 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 04:40:22 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 04:42:43 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 04:43:01 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 05:54:07 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 05:59:15 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-75-78.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 06:21:29 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 06:21:48 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:44:30 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 07:00:00 Zarutian: I read up some on flow-based programming last night. 07:00:28 I'd been envisioning my streams only in the context of standard i/o, so I was regarding the "payloads" as "text only." 07:00:44 But obviously it makes sense to be able to deliver data without requiring text conversion on both ends. 07:00:55 aah, you read about the concept of information packets 07:00:55 That msgpck thing you pointed me at looks pretty interesting. 07:01:21 Yes; I think I definitely need to have a format that will work for text but will also work for delivering data more "directly." 07:02:13 I actually was arriving on my own at that general structure, just with the goal of "how do I use my cores as effectively as possible." But I hadn't seen the whole picture, so your pointers were hugely helpful - thanks. 07:05:36 KipIngram: you are welcome. Interestingly I seem to be often in this situation of giving people pointers they had not yet realized that they needed. I do often see the need but to be somewhat helpfull I give those pointers anyway. 07:11:03 :-) It's a good thing - I always like it too when I feel like I've given someone a "nugget." 07:12:40 I think my big realization yesterday, even before the improvements you gave me, was that these "streams" need to be very fundamental in the system. First-class components, with a really solid design and good code backing them up. They're sort of at the heart of making a multi-process system work well. 07:13:20 Once they're there, a lot of things that would be really hard to do as afterthoughts become much more straightforward. 07:15:01 It just occurred to me as I typed that last that that "compressed source code" stuff I was talking about a few days ago might tie in too - in a way that's a stream of well-represented data too. Just including links to a symbol table. 07:18:20 one idea I saw somewhere in a textfile off an CBBS in an archive somewhere, talked about using streaming (de)compression of textual Forth code to minimize memory space usage to fit the home computers of the time. 07:31:56 and mainly to speed up loading from audio-cassette tapes. 07:32:22 :-) I remember loading from cassette on my old TRS-80 Color Computer. 07:43:26 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59.125.28.152) joined #forth 07:43:50 what's a good forth implementation that can do simple GUIs on linux ? 07:45:40 smokeink: You can use glade to create gtk gui's with forth http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef10/papers/mahlow.pdf 07:46:08 thanks 07:46:27 bigforth's minos looks like the perfect thing for me to use, but it crashes my xserver when I run xbigforth :( 07:46:48 I'd like to stay away from GTK or QT if possible 07:47:29 smokeink: (Themed) Tk from Tcl/Tk out of the question? 07:48:16 never worked with tcl/tk but if it works, then why not. I just need a simple dialog box that's all 07:49:06 any idea whether this can run under linux? https://github.com/forthy42/gforth/blob/master/minos2/x11-actors.fs I know that this minos2 gui stuff works under android, but not sure how to run it under linux 08:18:26 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 09:48:24 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-112-215.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 10:37:17 --- quit: ncv_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10:37:49 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 10:46:41 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:47:09 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 10:49:26 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:50:56 --- quit: ncv (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 11:28:35 --- join: Labu (~Labu@labu.pck.nerim.net) joined #forth 12:07:36 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 12:18:07 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:48:16 --- join: ncv (~neceve@2a02:c7d:c5c9:a900:14fa:fcbb:861b:b7e6) joined #forth 12:48:16 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 12:48:16 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 13:20:24 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 13:34:15 --- join: pierpa (57100917@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.16.9.23) joined #forth 14:00:31 --- quit: ncv (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 14:21:09 --- join: dave9 (~dave@207.213.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 14:21:56 hi 14:45:02 Hey Dave. 14:46:20 hi KipIngram 14:46:43 sup? 14:52:10 Nothing much. Gonna crank out a pizza for dinner later on. On the Forth front I mostly just mulled over things today. 14:52:17 How about you? 14:57:24 my lady friend is sleeping in the living room, where my desktop is, so i'm using the laptops in my bedroom 14:58:43 it's 8am and i haven't decided what to do today... i started to read "thinking forth" yesterday, but it's pretty heavy 15:19:58 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15:49:01 i am reading http://www.bradrodriguez.com/ publications... there's a lot about porting forth to different processors 16:26:33 I would rank brad rodriguez's stuff possibly as first place in terms of things that helped me to understand how forth works and how to use it effectively 16:27:43 I also got quite a bit from downloading it his camel forth source 16:28:25 though it seems to be built on some word set that isn't included so some of it was kind of hard to follow without just guessing at what some words did based on context 16:38:23 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 16:54:19 --- quit: johnmark (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:54:09 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@kyotolabs.asahinet.com) joined #forth 18:03:45 --- quit: dave9 (Quit: dave's not here) 19:58:50 --- quit: pierpa (Quit: Page closed) 20:19:43 --- join: dave9 (~dave@207.213.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 20:20:39 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 20:20:55 re 20:20:58 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 20:35:43 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20:51:36 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 20:51:57 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 21:08:53 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 21:09:13 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 21:13:01 --- join: johnmark (~johnmark@64.53.247.121) joined #forth 22:29:29 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-107-138.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 22:42:53 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@28.sub-174-204-3.myvzw.com) joined #forth 22:50:31 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:01:25 --- quit: lugh (Quit: quitting bouncer) 23:02:29 --- join: lugh (~lugh@chame.co) joined #forth 23:05:04 --- quit: lugh (Client Quit) 23:05:56 --- join: lugh (~lugh@chame.co) joined #forth 23:40:14 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 23:54:19 --- nick: lugh -> thoth 23:54:57 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23:59:17 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.06.14