00:00:00 --- log: started forth/18.06.02 00:07:31 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@51.sub-174-204-3.myvzw.com) joined #forth 00:08:36 --- quit: rtmanpages (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00:36:57 --- join: rtmanpages (~rtmanpage@102.sub-174-204-5.myvzw.com) joined #forth 00:39:04 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00:42:21 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@214.sub-174-204-36.myvzw.com) joined #forth 00:44:52 --- quit: rtmanpages (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00:52:42 --- join: rtmanpages (~rtmanpage@72.sub-174-204-4.myvzw.com) joined #forth 00:55:30 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01:07:11 --- join: Hvacmechanic (~rtmanpage@182.sub-174-204-12.myvzw.com) joined #forth 01:09:47 --- quit: rtmanpages (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01:18:38 --- join: rtmanpages (~rtmanpage@182.sub-174-204-12.myvzw.com) joined #forth 01:20:49 --- quit: Hvacmechanic (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:27:51 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@82.sub-174-204-11.myvzw.com) joined #forth 01:30:16 --- quit: rtmanpages (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01:43:56 --- quit: karswell_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:57:55 --- join: Guest38 (5f3bfa3e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.59.250.62) joined #forth 02:09:05 --- join: rtmanpages (~rtmanpage@155.sub-174-204-37.myvzw.com) joined #forth 02:11:52 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02:12:50 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02:25:53 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 02:32:50 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 02:45:56 --- quit: Guest38 (Remote host closed the connection) 03:22:40 --- join: Hvacmechanic (~rtmanpage@16.sub-174-204-4.myvzw.com) joined #forth 03:25:07 --- quit: rtmanpages (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03:27:55 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-109-142.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 03:38:04 --- join: TCZ (~Johnny@ip-91.189.219.200.skyware.pl) joined #forth 03:43:43 --- quit: TCZ (Quit: Leaving) 03:45:08 --- join: tusj (~tusj@185.176.244.72) joined #forth 03:54:54 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@182.253.63.32) joined #forth 03:54:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 04:00:54 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 04:47:52 i found a pdf of "starting forth" and "thinking forth" online, it looks nice 04:48:30 i'm a C coder, but it's not very consistent in it's language.. forth looks more consistent in it's interface 04:58:28 --- join: Guest38 (5f3bfa3e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.59.250.62) joined #forth 05:00:16 --- nick: Guest38 -> grn77 05:13:15 --- quit: grn77 (Remote host closed the connection) 05:14:21 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 05:27:34 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 05:53:17 Im jerker 05:53:20 im consistent 05:53:29 forth seems intersting but can u do web apps? 05:53:36 if u cant these days whats the use? 05:53:38 :) 05:53:48 i mean I want to use 1000x less code 05:55:18 --- quit: APic (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 05:59:23 --- join: APic (apic@apic.name) joined #forth 06:00:12 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@182.253.63.32) joined #forth 06:00:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 06:05:41 no, it can't do web apps 06:05:50 forth is of no use these days 06:06:10 please consider #javascript 06:16:23 hastuur_: people don't generate write web pages in Forth, just as they don't do it in Assembly nor C 06:19:30 hmm 06:19:58 but I wana get rich with software! 06:20:04 I want hot girls! 06:20:55 forth is definitely not the path to either of those things 06:21:48 or software in general, really 06:22:12 unless you can write something very popular 06:32:37 --- join: Labu (~Labu@labu.pck.nerim.net) joined #forth 06:36:59 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:55:46 but i have this inner desire to make an awesome app 06:55:49 that is popualr 06:55:56 and less crap than all the crap im using now 06:56:13 I mean jsut a bulletin barod and html chat free fo censorship would be nice 06:56:29 its so ahrd ot jsut chat about things without being abned hese days 06:56:34 I mean even on bodybuilding boards 07:03:03 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 07:03:31 so do it already 07:04:15 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 07:07:26 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:07:34 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 07:11:20 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 07:15:29 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:19:43 --- join: grn77 (5f3bfa3e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.59.250.62) joined #forth 07:20:17 --- quit: grn77 (Remote host closed the connection) 07:24:02 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 07:28:06 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 07:28:40 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 07:33:39 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 07:37:53 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 07:42:34 If you can figure out how to make it the path to "get rich" then the "hot girl" part will follow automatically. 07:48:07 hastuur_ How old are you? 08:29:10 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 08:29:28 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:35:06 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:35:40 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:38:16 --- quit: pierpal (Client Quit) 08:38:38 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:41:06 --- join: TCZ (~Johnny@ip-91.189.219.200.skyware.pl) joined #forth 08:44:46 hastuur_: on c.l.f, you claim to be a genius w/a six figure net worth. You should have no problems figuring out forth or getting richer or hot girls. (re: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.lang.forth/Q7l-S4QHfeo/C8TB5nWIAAAJ) 08:47:28 hastuur_: you've also declared your intent to keep trolling there (re https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.lang.forth/Q7l-S4QHfeo/FC98R4E4AwAJ). I won't tolerate that here for long. 08:53:25 lol. I'm no genius, nor do I even know my IQ, and even I have a six-figure net worth. It isn't that hard if you just hold a job and be responsible. 08:55:30 not to mention that "6 fig" covers a pretty wide range 08:55:35 he's been trolling the newsgroup since at least 2006 08:55:44 holy shit 08:56:43 Always the same basic stuff he's been posting here lately 08:57:06 I can top that easily, then. I has just graduated high school in 2006. my net worth went from 0 to six figures within the same amount of time that he's been trolling a mailing list full of nerds 08:57:21 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 08:57:40 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 09:07:52 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 09:08:10 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 09:12:50 --- quit: TCZ (Quit: Leaving) 09:13:27 --- join: TCZ (~Johnny@ip-91.189.219.200.skyware.pl) joined #forth 09:43:43 --- quit: TCZ (Quit: Leaving) 09:46:15 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 09:57:08 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:4520:5f35:21fe:b106) joined #forth 10:10:48 Six-figure net worth isn't what it used to be, unfortunately. Turn off the in-flow and it can go away pretty darn fast. 10:11:15 "Millionaire" used to mean "set for life," but it really doesn't any more, unless you maintain a pretty meager lifestyle. 10:11:19 Old man inflation... 10:11:20 someone working for minimum wage gets that per month here. 10:11:39 that is 'six figure' 10:11:56 yeah 10:12:25 well, surely not six figures per month. that's some steep minimum wage 10:13:04 a 33cl can of coke cost here around 180-200 10:13:13 so there is that. 10:13:34 oh, so you're not speaking in dollars 10:13:39 or american dollars, at least 10:14:31 nobody does after that hyperinflation event in the year 2021 10:16:19 I see. 10:16:40 Oh, I thought he meant six figure NET WORTH, as in what he has on hand total. 10:17:17 Where I live a six figure annual income still translates to a fairly nice lifestyle, but you're certainly not "wealthy." 10:18:13 yeah I was talking net worth, as well. but if you have a six-figure annual income I don't see it being that hard to save it in net worth, either 10:18:14 Particularly not when you've popped out five kids that you want to send to college and so on. 10:18:39 Right - is you have six figures coming in to work with then you ought to be able to make a decent plan for the future. 10:18:49 oh, well that's the other secret: don't have kids. it's a disgusting practice, anyway 10:19:11 :-) We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I wouldn't trade my daughters for anything. 10:19:47 you have five daughters or they're just the ones you wouldn't trade? 10:35:09 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 10:41:04 --- join: karswell_ (~user@cust125-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net) joined #forth 10:41:49 Hahahaha - no kidding. That's a good one. Five is the total. 10:42:18 Next to last one graduated from high school this spring, so we'll be down to one at home in a few months. 10:44:09 Hey, I worked out the problems I was having yesterday with 64-bit assembly mode on MacOS. Got an approach together that deals with all that fairly well. 10:44:37 NEXT wound up being 11 bytes, which is a bit more than I really like, but given the restrictions MacOS puts on you I think it's about the best I can do. 10:45:17 KipIngram: what kind of restrictions? 10:45:43 Primarily the requirement that everything be done with relative addressing. 10:46:47 on the shitty Intel x86 ISA? Are they mad? 10:46:56 I dealt with it by storing all the values in definition cells as offsets from a base address, and allocated one of the extra registers you get in 64-bit mode to holding that base address. 10:47:19 Initialization code loads that register, and then NEXT takes what it fetches and treats it as an offset from the value in that register. 10:47:38 Wound up with this as NEXT: 10:47:49 40 nxt: lodsd 10:47:51 41 mov r13d, [rax+r15] 10:47:53 42 add r13, r14 10:47:55 43 jmp r13 10:48:22 Yeah, I'm rather annoyed at Apple over it, but oh well. 10:48:46 It's much simpler in 32-bit mode, but on the other hand some future version of MacOS will drop 32-bit support totally, so I don't want to invest any energy there. 10:49:20 I chose to store 32-bit values in the definition cells, just to keep the overall size smaller. Hence lodsd instead of lodsq. 10:49:37 It works with 64-bit cells too; using 32 was just a choice I made. 10:50:50 R15 holds the base address of the CFA/PFA table, and R14 holds the base address of the machine code. So those can be separately located if I choose. 11:10:30 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:10:59 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@173-133-17-89.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:15:51 Also, I plan to store the headers somewhere separately. Each header will have a pointer to the CFA/PFA pointer pair for the word. But there's no pointer back from there to the header. That means going in that direction will require searching the headers for the one with the right CFA link. 11:17:22 Adding a third pointer, though, so that it was CFA/PFA/header, would make each word's bit in that table not a power of 2, and I couldn't use shifts to do the arithmetic. So I decided to do without the header pointer. 12:20:42 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:21:04 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@173-133-17-89.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 12:22:48 --- quit: karswell_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 12:24:15 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12:56:34 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 13:04:16 --- quit: epsyloN (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in) 13:34:14 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:50:55 --- quit: backer (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:58:20 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 14:08:24 --- quit: Keshl (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 14:12:23 --- join: Keshl (~Purple@24.115.185.149.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 14:17:12 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:17:22 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 14:17:26 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@173-133-17-89.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 14:25:25 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:28:59 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 14:43:45 --- join: pierpa (57100917@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.16.9.23) joined #forth 16:21:13 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 16:58:20 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:4520:5f35:21fe:b106) joined #forth 16:59:39 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 16:59:51 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:4520:5f35:21fe:b106) joined #forth 17:44:42 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:50:53 --- quit: Hvacmechanic (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:51:38 --- join: Hvacmechanic (~rtmanpage@228.sub-174-204-9.myvzw.com) joined #forth 18:12:42 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 18:30:42 hi 18:43:10 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 18:52:36 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 19:03:52 --- quit: pierpa (Quit: Page closed) 19:05:47 i read through jonesforth it was very interesting 19:27:51 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 19:28:09 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 20:51:23 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:4520:5f35:21fe:b106) joined #forth 21:45:35 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@94-137-100-130.customers.ownit.se) joined #forth 23:05:53 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: leaving) 23:06:27 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 23:19:20 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:4520:5f35:21fe:b106) joined #forth 23:22:27 --- join: mnemnia (~mnemnion@71.198.73.193) joined #forth 23:25:54 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23:36:51 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-75-78.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.06.02