00:00:00 --- log: started forth/18.05.29 00:03:21 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 00:37:04 you have to have X11 binding for your Forth implementation 00:37:09 then it's doable 00:40:30 or use a embeded forth? 00:40:52 like choose a c implemented wm and embeded forth as its scripting language 00:45:28 yeah, that's also a good idea 00:48:25 --- join: ncv_ (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 01:05:33 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 01:09:14 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@160.sub-174-204-14.myvzw.com) joined #forth 01:19:50 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@71.198.73.193) joined #forth 01:29:35 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 02:18:42 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 02:22:23 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 02:23:25 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@180.183.102.1) joined #forth 02:23:26 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 02:52:00 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 03:31:01 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 03:35:23 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@179.sub-174-204-15.myvzw.com) joined #forth 04:22:08 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04:38:50 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 05:07:07 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 05:17:40 --- quit: FatalNIX (Disconnected by services) 05:20:33 --- join: FatalNIX_ (~FatalNIX@caligula.lobsternetworks.com) joined #forth 05:28:46 --- nick: FatalNIX_ -> FatalNIX 05:32:18 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:32:31 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 05:49:15 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 05:49:26 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:58:52 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:14:18 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 06:14:57 --- join: karswell_ (~user@cust125-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net) joined #forth 06:18:16 hmm 06:22:49 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:30:40 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:37:56 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:38:04 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:49:10 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06:57:01 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 07:21:20 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 07:21:41 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 07:48:19 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08:09:24 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:23:34 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:253a:9cfd:a8f7:c272) joined #forth 08:55:40 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@179.sub-174-204-15.myvzw.com) joined #forth 09:23:01 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 09:23:18 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 09:30:47 --- quit: karswell_ (Remote host closed the connection) 09:32:09 --- join: karswell_ (~user@cust125-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net) joined #forth 09:34:55 --- join: Gromboli (~Gromboli@rrcs-50-75-19-206.nys.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 09:37:16 --- join: shka_ (~herr@109.231.8.8) joined #forth 10:31:45 --- quit: ncv_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 10:37:18 --- join: Labu (~Labu@labu.pck.nerim.net) joined #forth 10:37:40 hastuur: write it yourself :) 10:39:40 you'll need a forth w/an ffi (gforth works; http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/Docs-html/C-Interface.html) and the xlib (https://www.x.org/docs/X11/xlib.pdf) and/or xcb (https://xcb.freedesktop.org/XcbApi/) libraries 10:39:57 and a lot of time 10:41:50 yeah, programming X is not for the faint of the heart 10:42:36 you could do the wmii thing and write the window manager in c, but use IPC to get to the config which is written in forth 11:45:05 --- join: hastuur_ (~g@209.6.150.53) joined #forth 11:46:35 --- join: a3f_ (~a3f@irc.a3f.at) joined #forth 11:48:23 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11:48:54 --- join: irsol_ (~irsol@unaffiliated/contempt) joined #forth 11:53:21 --- quit: hastuur (*.net *.split) 11:53:21 --- quit: irsol (*.net *.split) 11:53:21 --- quit: a3f (*.net *.split) 11:53:25 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 11:53:26 --- nick: irsol_ -> irsol 11:56:21 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11:57:50 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-164-45.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 12:08:43 --- quit: karswell_ (Remote host closed the connection) 12:23:16 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 12:37:35 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 12:37:53 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 12:55:03 so forth reduces things to simple calcualtions and sorts and searches 12:55:11 doe snot try to have one central database 12:55:20 writes jsut enuf code to solve real problem 12:55:33 and doesnt get into layers of tons of frameworks because u can develop solution yourself 12:55:41 just enuf code to solve real problem 12:55:45 keeping all simple 12:56:17 could someone write a better gui than xorg in forth? 12:56:23 something procedural not oo 12:56:57 well, Xorg is a huge amount of code 12:57:07 not to mention the proprietary drivers 12:57:17 rewriting it would be impossible 12:57:34 and then, you probably want to run Xorg programs too 12:57:38 :) 12:57:57 so it's easier to just live with it 12:57:58 can forth be used well to make a dynamic website? 12:58:01 or is just not suited 12:58:15 should I give up and learn php 12:58:29 hell no 12:58:37 PHP is unhealty 12:59:27 the best way, as others have said, is to write some minimal core in C or whatever, maybe Python, and write the fun part in Forth 12:59:28 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 13:09:59 --- join: ncv_ (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 13:10:38 --- quit: ncv_ (Remote host closed the connection) 13:13:18 --- quit: shka_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 13:33:16 hastuur_: yes, but you'll have to do some work 13:38:52 I've been slowly moving the sites I host to servers written in my Forth. I'll have most of them migrated late next month, after I finish adding virtual hosts to the http server. 13:39:55 nice 13:42:56 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 13:44:01 I had hoped to be done by now, but have been slowed due to a recurrence of RSI issues 13:48:10 once I got an external keyboard for my laptop, RSI disappeared from my wrist 13:48:22 I was about to go to a surgeon 13:55:00 I've been using external keyboards. Recently switched to Dvorak and looking into ergonomic keyboards now. 13:55:06 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 14:00:19 I found Dvorak not so compelling for programming 14:04:54 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@179.sub-174-204-15.myvzw.com) joined #forth 14:22:25 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 14:26:42 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:37:41 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 14:48:22 --- join: KipIngram (~kipingram@185.149.90.58) joined #forth 14:48:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +v KipIngram 14:55:48 --- join: pierpa (57100917@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.16.9.23) joined #forth 14:56:57 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15:10:31 --- join: PoppaVic (~PoppaVic@unaffiliated/poppavic) joined #forth 15:11:17 oh, voiced perhaps? nope - yer my superior. 15:11:25 yer BLUE 15:11:30 --- part: PoppaVic left #forth 15:11:45 what. 15:56:08 right on 16:42:23 So far it hasn't been a problem when programming. I'm slower, but improving (only been using this for two weeks) 16:42:50 --- quit: Gromboli (Quit: Leaving) 16:44:43 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@209.sub-174-204-10.myvzw.com) joined #forth 17:02:53 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 17:05:35 --- join: jhei_ (sid81469@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kllpmbmvpizwthol) joined #forth 17:06:39 --- quit: jhei (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17:06:42 --- nick: jhei_ -> jhei 17:28:58 --- quit: ThirtyOne32nds (Remote host closed the connection) 17:30:47 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:37:42 --- quit: bb010g (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:38:36 --- quit: M-jimt (Ping timeout: 277 seconds) 17:38:36 --- quit: pointfree1 (Ping timeout: 277 seconds) 17:40:17 --- join: ThirtyOne32nds (~rtmanpage@209.sub-174-204-10.myvzw.com) joined #forth 17:49:11 crc: you still programming on an ipad? 17:51:04 Yes 17:51:24 is there some interface to use a normal USB keyboard on those 17:57:34 Yes, they have an adapter 18:07:00 --- join: bb010g (bb010gmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qfnpzhiyppwodfai) joined #forth 18:07:08 If you have the money get a Happy Hacking, my fingers have never felt better 18:07:32 HHKB JP edition because I need to type in Japanese and it has arrow keys 18:19:23 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 18:24:52 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 18:40:39 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@kyotolabs.asahinet.com) joined #forth 19:05:18 --- join: pointfree1 (pointfreem@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nutwsewophjphech) joined #forth 19:05:18 --- join: M-jimt (jimtmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-oborzoxjifovjgla) joined #forth 19:16:21 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:253a:9cfd:a8f7:c272) joined #forth 19:51:42 appel products shudder 19:51:46 they creep me out 19:51:53 same as telsa 19:58:46 can't you use bluetooth keyboards with the ipad? 19:59:23 --- join: dave9 (~dave@207.213.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 19:59:44 hi 20:00:50 lo 20:01:49 looks like you can 20:03:56 --- quit: dave9 (Client Quit) 20:05:49 --- join: dave9 (~dave@207.213.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 20:06:27 re 20:08:45 --- quit: pierpa (Quit: Page closed) 20:28:47 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 20:29:35 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:253a:9cfd:a8f7:c272) joined #forth 20:33:02 --- quit: dave9 (Quit: dave's not here) 20:36:43 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 20:38:06 --- quit: pierpal (Client Quit) 20:38:23 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 21:03:46 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:04:43 --- quit: epony (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:08:17 --- join: epony (~nym@77-85-143-102.ip.btc-net.bg) joined #forth 21:11:43 Pierpa: yes, but there's very few ergonomic bluetooth keyboard options 21:15:56 time management I need to get better at 21:15:59 woo wee 21:16:04 forth looks better 21:16:09 than other stuff 21:16:12 even lisp 21:16:17 but can it get results? 21:21:34 Better for what? Results for what problem? 21:27:46 --- quit: epony (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 21:28:18 dynamic website deveoplemnt 21:31:25 --- join: epony (~nym@77-85-143-102.ip.btc-net.bg) joined #forth 21:31:27 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 21:32:13 --- join: shka_ (~herr@109.231.8.8) joined #forth 21:32:21 you can do this, but you'll need to do a lot yourself. There's very little in the way of support code for that. 21:34:45 * crc doubts you really have any interest in this, given your history on comp.lang.forth 21:46:27 --- join: dave9 (~dave@207.213.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 21:50:56 re 22:18:02 --- quit: Labu (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1) 22:37:19 negative insults help no one 22:37:26 and cause hate 22:37:43 and skepticism is just an energy drain and huge insult 22:37:56 I guess u liek going around insulting people and then wonder why they wana stomp u 23:36:27 --- quit: shka_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:38:12 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@host86-186-214-72.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 23:47:34 --- quit: proteus-guy (Remote host closed the connection) 23:53:36 what do you mean by dynamic website? you can CGI forth code "easily" 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.05.29