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Or if I am I didn't know. 18:28:48 oh, for some reason I thought I saw you with a @ once. 18:29:43 well then crc should kick that dude until he fixes his connection, and then he should op pointfree 18:30:44 although now I see that CyL's last quit message was "client quit" so maybe he took care of himself 18:42:04 the only op here is mark, and he isnt on often 18:42:22 and crc is very rarely on 18:42:51 never seen koi even speak either 18:43:05 i was mistaken about mark, got confused sorry 18:57:11 --- mode: crc set +o pointfree 18:59:17 --- quit: xieyuhen` (Remote host closed the connection) 19:02:27 Sorry; I've granted ops to poimtfree; if I see him having connection troubles again I'll do a temporary ban 19:05:00 np 19:05:04 thanks 19:20:22 --- join: jlf (~jlf@99-16-97-123.lightspeed.snrsca.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 19:20:22 --- quit: jlf (Changing host) 19:20:22 --- join: jlf (~jlf@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf) joined #forth 19:38:37 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-28-152.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 20:17:58 or hide join/part messages in channel temporarily 20:43:32 --- quit: kumool (Quit: Leaving) 21:11:23 --- quit: pierpal (Quit: Poof) 21:11:41 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 21:43:15 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 21:56:46 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 22:12:48 hi 22:13:11 how would one go about creating a language that cannot encode Peano arithmetic? specifically, a language that is fully decidable 22:15:30 what is the problem? 22:58:19 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:06:23 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 23:09:09 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@host109-149-158-169.range109-149.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 23:20:54 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 23:23:10 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:24:40 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 23:27:30 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:27:45 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 23:30:38 pierpal: that's the problem 23:30:54 pierpal: create a lang that does not have the power to encode Peano arithmetic 23:31:14 what must it have? 23:31:23 *shrug* 23:31:33 be practical 23:31:54 like, i dunno, as practical as a typica uncomplicated bash script 23:31:56 if you don't put nothing in it, then it satisfies the rewuwst 23:31:57 typical 23:32:02 yeah, that's not the point :) 23:32:18 it can't be practical 23:32:58 you can't have undetermined loops 23:33:17 can't have recursive fumctions 23:33:26 so what? i can have very practical programs without undetermined loops or recursive functions 23:33:34 that's not necessary for writing something good 23:33:50 sorry for the typos. long story... 23:34:24 :) 23:34:36 i haven't even noticed the typos 23:35:15 then, if these are not a problem, then no undetermined loops and no recursion allowed should do it 23:36:12 hmm 23:36:28 also no first class functions 23:37:25 hmmm but this is implied by no recursion 23:37:58 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@180.183.123.94) joined #forth 23:37:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 23:40:27 no, you can still define Peano arithmetic without loops and recursion 23:40:39 you can just use tuples 23:41:08 I don't think so. How would you do it? 23:41:09 zero = (), succ x = ( (), x) 23:41:22 yes, and thwn? 23:41:31 that's it, and then you define + in the obvious manner 23:41:34 define. plus, please :) 23:41:57 plus is actually not the difficult part, as it itself does not give the system undecidability 23:42:57 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:43:18 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 23:43:37 here you go pierpal http://lpaste.net/4336066636919341056 23:43:49 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 23:45:14 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:45f3:72a2:712f:897b) joined #forth 23:45:57 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:46:31 if you don't understand the syntax lmk 23:47:17 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-106-246.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 23:48:07 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 23:48:13 is SwiftForth good? 23:48:51 pierpal: did you see my link? 23:48:55 ok, then maybe no first class function is necessary too 23:48:59 yes 23:49:01 ok 23:49:08 i ask because you timed out a few times 23:49:14 err got disconnected 23:50:00 yes :( 23:50:42 with too powerful functions one can i!element their own Y 23:50:52 yeah 23:50:52 as you did 23:50:59 welll 23:51:06 that code doesn't implement the Y combinator. 23:51:28 all it implements is Succ 23:53:31 not a generic Y. an instantiation of it tailored to your need 23:54:11 not sure where you're seeing it 23:54:25 brw, what notation is that? it's not plain haskell, no? 23:54:35 it's Dhall, not Haskell 23:54:45 it's like a far cousin at best 23:54:57 you caught me unprepared on that :) 23:55:02 you'll notice the lambdas are just parameters, and you pass in types and constructors as parameters to things as well 23:56:01 ok. I meant it's an instance of the same idea we use for making an Y 23:56:05 what is 23:56:46 ? 23:56:53 what 23:57:47 you said: "it's an instance of the same idea we use for making an Y". I asked: what are you refering to with the word "it"? 23:57:51 you're not being clear 23:58:32 your implementation of succ 23:58:48 that's not true, this has nothing to do with the Y combinator 23:59:00 you'll have to explain the connection you see in a bit more detail 23:59:06 it's like an instantiation of a generic Y 23:59:16 that doesn't really help :) 23:59:34 ok. I may well be wrong 23:59:47 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.05.16