00:00:00 --- log: started forth/18.05.07 00:18:48 --- join: dys (~dys@x4d02bf87.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 00:30:19 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:09:10 --- join: Montop (~emil@h-85-24-253-5.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) joined #forth 01:11:06 --- quit: Montop (Client Quit) 01:14:03 --- join: dys (~dys@x4d02bf87.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 01:15:08 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 01:23:19 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:26:24 --- quit: mtsd (Remote host closed the connection) 01:32:55 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 01:33:38 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@77.110.61.100) joined #forth 01:37:43 --- join: dys (~dys@x4d02bf87.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 01:51:03 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02:14:46 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@cm-134-196-84-203.revip18.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 02:14:46 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 02:16:36 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@host86-144-18-81.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 02:27:42 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 02:35:54 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 02:41:24 --- join: dave9 (~dave@32.060.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 02:41:27 hi 02:43:14 --- join: dys (~dys@x4d02bf87.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 02:54:40 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Leaving) 02:55:21 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03:28:15 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@71.198.73.193) joined #forth 03:50:31 --- quit: dave9 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 03:52:08 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 03:56:54 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 03:57:39 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 04:04:43 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:05:54 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 04:08:40 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04:39:39 --- quit: pierpal (Remote host closed the connection) 04:54:56 --- join: dave1 (~dave@32.060.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined #forth 04:55:19 --- nick: dave1 -> Guest95642 04:55:21 --- nick: Guest95642 -> dave9 04:56:52 re 05:45:35 h'lo 05:47:36 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-75-78.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 05:51:20 hi Zarutian_PI 05:51:58 you are not the guy who does that electronics video weblog, are ya? 05:52:10 nope sorry 05:52:47 you probably get asked that a lot on the net I rekon 05:53:17 i'm really dave0 05:53:24 dave9 is on the laptop 05:53:42 i'm a forth newbie 05:54:55 anyway, saw that gigatron ttl kit computer being put together on an eevblog livestream and I thought meh. 05:55:08 dave9: then I recommend the books Starting Forth and Thinking Forth. 05:55:46 dave9: and if you really want to know the inner workings of a forth you can not go wrong with eForth (take a look at mecrisp too if you are into MCUs) 05:55:47 Zarutian_PI: cool, thanks 05:56:38 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 05:57:32 re that gigatron: if you are going to provide vga output then it does not cost that much more to do a dedicated frame buffer instead of bogging down the cpu with video refresh 05:57:33 i thought it was interesting that you could use forth on the old 8-bit computers from the 80's 05:58:10 somethingdifferent to basic 05:58:18 basic rots your mind:-p 05:58:31 you did not know? Chuck Moore wrote forth to run on those 8 bit machines because that is all he had for telescope control. 05:58:47 dave9: forth only lets you speak like yoda :) 05:59:16 yeah, and it is so freaking slow, basic is. 05:59:51 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:00:38 I think that in that same issue as that famous Letter to the Community by Bill Gates there were scathing critique of that very basic interpreter that Bill Gates was asking people not to distribute. 06:02:04 --- join: xek_ (~xek@134.134.139.75) joined #forth 06:02:51 on about gigatron: you could do a frame buffer with a counting register and two memory chips giving you double buffering. 06:02:53 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 06:03:55 --- join: diginet2_ (~diginet@107.170.146.29) joined #forth 06:05:06 dave9: meself, I like 16 bit machines, both in address and data width. Makes elgant systems more easy in my opinion. 06:05:28 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:06:31 --- join: phadthai_ (mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net) joined #forth 06:09:56 --- join: fiddlerwoaroof_ (~fiddlerwo@unaffiliated/fiddlerwoaroof) joined #forth 06:10:22 16 is a nice round computer number 06:11:00 --- join: epsyloN- (~epsyloN_@46.101.115.67) joined #forth 06:11:20 --- join: FatalNIX_ (~FatalNIX@caligula.lobsternetworks.com) joined #forth 06:11:30 --- quit: xek__ (*.net *.split) 06:11:31 --- quit: epsyloN (*.net *.split) 06:11:31 --- quit: diginet2 (*.net *.split) 06:11:31 --- quit: fiddlerwoaroof (*.net *.split) 06:11:31 --- quit: phadthai (*.net *.split) 06:11:31 --- quit: FatalNIX (*.net *.split) 06:11:31 --- nick: diginet2_ -> diginet2 06:11:51 * crc prefers 32 :) 06:16:09 heh :> 06:28:14 re that frame buffer: in 16 bit the cell format could be: EIVHRRRRGGGGBBBB (E: rEset frame counter regiser, I: Interrupt main CPU, V: Vertical sync, H: Horizational sync, R: Red, G: Green, B: Blue) 06:47:04 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:28f6:efa5:a095:513e) joined #forth 06:48:47 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:31:03 --- quit: ncv (Remote host closed the connection) 07:34:16 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 07:49:13 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08:00:35 --- nick: FatalNIX_ -> Fatalnix 08:08:43 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:11:39 --- quit: dave9 (Quit: dave's not here) 08:24:34 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 08:29:32 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:28f6:efa5:a095:513e) joined #forth 08:34:50 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 08:55:16 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09:01:55 --- join: rixard (~rixard@h-112-233.A444.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #forth 09:10:59 --- quit: rixard (Quit: (exit)) 09:21:48 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 09:28:31 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09:46:47 --- join: Mat4 (~yaaic@ip5b409e5e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 10:00:33 Zarutian_PI: The Gigatron would require dedicated interrupt logic for implementing a conventional framebuffer. 10:02:01 Mat4: yeah. Which is a lot easier on a dual stack machine than this small RISC arch of theirs. 10:03:17 or a multicore approach 10:07:56 anyhow I think a simple dual stack design lead to much lesser logic complexity and better performance (by the way, isn't the Gigatron an accumulator/store Architecture?) 10:08:56 * Mat4 autocorrection strikes again 10:12:48 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:28f6:efa5:a095:513e) joined #forth 10:17:45 --- quit: Mat4 (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) 10:26:48 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 10:49:38 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 10:53:42 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 11:04:45 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:05:10 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 11:18:20 --- join: alexshendi (~yaaic@2a02:8070:218b:bd00:e991:5427:e1e:cab8) joined #forth 11:18:42 Mat4: RISC load/store arch as far as I saw on their site. 11:43:15 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12:03:52 --- quit: alexshendi (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:45:36 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 12:50:21 --- quit: pierpal (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12:53:10 --- join: kumool (~kumool@adsl-64-237-232-86.prtc.net) joined #forth 13:25:19 --- join: pierpal (~pierpal@host23-9-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 13:44:50 --- join: ncv_ (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 13:44:50 --- quit: pierpal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:44:52 --- join: mnemnia (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:28f6:efa5:a095:513e) joined #forth 13:53:43 --- quit: mnemnion (*.net *.split) 13:53:43 --- quit: ncv (*.net *.split) 13:53:45 --- quit: M-jimt (*.net *.split) 13:54:28 --- join: dys (~dys@x4d02bf87.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 13:56:51 --- quit: epsyloN- (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13:57:22 --- join: M-jimt (jimtmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rwycxlwslfjzqpmj) joined #forth 13:59:06 --- join: epsyloN (~epsyloN_@46.101.115.67) joined #forth 14:08:12 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14:13:11 --- quit: Zarutian_PI (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:13:37 --- join: Zarutian_PI (~3.1415@173-133-17-89.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 14:55:59 --- join: pierpa (57100917@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.16.9.23) joined #forth 15:24:28 --- quit: Darksecond (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:25:48 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:50e3:8f35:bb53:5d3a) joined #forth 15:28:11 --- quit: mnemnia (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15:29:41 --- join: Darksecond (~darksecon@a82-94-53-70.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #forth 16:06:09 --- quit: cheater (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16:08:15 hi 16:08:29 --- join: cheater (~cheater@unaffiliated/cheater) joined #forth 16:43:14 --- quit: ncv_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16:49:20 dave0: h'lo. The fact I have been watching so much EEVblog lately that hi of yours sounded exactly like that dave in my head 16:49:50 "trap for young players" is one of his phrases btw 16:57:21 --- nick: phadthai_ -> phadthai 17:09:21 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 18:03:20 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@kyotolabs.asahinet.com) joined #forth 18:30:19 --- quit: cheater (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:32:51 --- join: cheater (~cheater@unaffiliated/cheater) joined #forth 18:45:12 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 19:13:27 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:18:14 --- join: johnnymacs (~user@13.85.64.199) joined #forth 19:18:47 I am considering making a forth that can run in your heaf 19:18:49 head 19:20:10 To store files and data in memory you'd have to use mnemonic memorization techniques 19:21:05 For calculations you could either calculate in your heaf or uae a slide rule watch 19:26:32 --- join: jedb (~jedb@184.75.214.131) joined #forth 19:45:22 Please patent the idea, so as nobody else will be able to exploit the technology. 20:17:38 --- quit: kumool (Quit: Leaving) 20:56:51 --- quit: phadthai (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20:58:38 --- quit: pierpa (Quit: Page closed) 21:08:28 --- join: phadthai (mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net) joined #forth 21:31:27 --- quit: johnnymacs (Remote host closed the connection) 21:48:06 --- join: johnnymacs (~user@c-67-183-144-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:54:19 --- quit: johnnymacs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:55:46 --- join: johnnymacs (~user@c-67-183-144-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:01:02 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-75-78.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 22:08:04 --- quit: johnnymacs (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:08:23 --- join: johnnymacs (~user@c-67-183-144-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:13:17 --- quit: johnnymacs (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:14:42 --- join: johnnymacs (~user@c-67-183-144-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:18:33 --- quit: johnnymacs (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:21:51 --- join: johnnymacs (~user@c-67-183-144-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:37:57 --- quit: johnnymacs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:37:55 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.05.07