00:00:00 --- log: started forth/18.02.04 00:08:54 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 00:09:37 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@218.255.210.18) joined #forth 00:11:03 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00:17:33 --- join: ggherdov` (sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gsdibyuluolyabsr) joined #forth 00:20:30 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-167-241.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 00:29:47 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 00:31:09 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@n11212033249.netvigator.com) joined #forth 01:07:36 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-100-39.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 01:11:11 --- quit: wibblewiggy1981 (Quit: Page closed) 01:59:26 --- quit: smokeink (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:13:06 --- join: Labu (~mik@mvice.pck.nerim.net) joined #forth 02:25:16 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 02:36:52 --- quit: Darksecond (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:41:04 --- join: Darksecond (~darksecon@a82-94-53-70.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #forth 03:47:32 --- join: ncv__ (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 04:53:09 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 05:23:44 --- join: dddddd_ (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 05:44:11 --- nick: dddddd_ -> dddddd 05:44:34 --- join: tomlukeywood (~quassel@host-92-19-232-58.static.as13285.net) joined #forth 06:19:03 --- quit: tomlukeywood (Remote host closed the connection) 06:32:21 --- join: lijero (~lijero@unaffiliated/lijero) joined #forth 06:33:36 --- join: dddddd_ (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 06:33:42 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 06:37:57 --- nick: dddddd_ -> dddddd 07:02:36 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07:05:40 --- join: dddddd (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 09:04:07 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-163-236.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 09:52:39 --- join: tomlukeywood (~quassel@host-92-19-232-58.static.as13285.net) joined #forth 10:27:47 --- quit: tomlukeywood (Remote host closed the connection) 11:12:24 --- join: johnmark (~johnmark@d53-64-121-247.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined #forth 11:52:16 --- join: tomlukeywood (~quassel@host-92-19-232-58.static.as13285.net) joined #forth 12:11:02 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 12:26:27 --- quit: tomlukeywood (Remote host closed the connection) 12:49:27 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13:27:22 --- quit: ncv__ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 14:52:55 --- quit: dddddd (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14:52:56 --- join: dddddd_ (~dddddd@unaffiliated/dddddd) joined #forth 14:53:08 --- nick: dddddd_ -> dddddd 15:54:39 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 16:04:46 --- quit: Labu (Quit: Leaving.) 16:19:28 --- join: yuiop (2d1f5dab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.31.93.171) joined #forth 17:04:14 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@kyotolabs.asahinet.com) joined #forth 17:05:52 --- quit: nighty- (Remote host closed the connection) 17:07:34 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@kyotolabs.asahinet.com) joined #forth 17:08:03 Does anyone have any suggestions for the best Forth environment on Apple Macintosh with 680X0 series processors? 17:35:53 yuiop: the only one I know of is MOPS; version 4.0.4 was the last w/68k support. http://www.gryphel.com/c/sw/program/mops/index.html 17:42:06 Perfect! Thank you very much! 18:13:22 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-75-78.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 18:30:28 i am glad you still use the machine and that work 18:35:06 As Geordi La Forge once said just because it's old doesn't mean you throw it away :) 18:47:41 well, i am very worried about this, today's electronic products became small and small. that it make all components inside 18:57:41 Wow 18:57:47 I didn't know that this happened: https://www.amazon.com/Jupiter-ACE-Manual-Anniversary-Programming/dp/1785387294/ 18:58:29 huh 19:00:20 Knowing what I know now I would have loved to have a Jupiter Ace if it was available back in the day in the US 19:02:12 same here 19:02:35 I didn't learn about it until the mid-to-late 90s 19:11:41 I didn't learn about it until the 2000's :) 19:17:54 --- join: wiggy2394772347 (8269cfbe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.130.105.207.190) joined #forth 19:20:00 Sorry guys I must be being a potato, but I am trying to get gforth to launch two system calls at the same time but one blocks the rest of the program execution I want to generate a fork but I can't seem to get the syntax right. How do I do it so that I can launch 2 programs at once on the system and then return control back to the main program? 19:33:38 https://github.com/forthy42/gforth/blob/master/unix/libc.fs has a `fork+exec` word that may be of help 19:34:38 thanks 19:40:44 https://thepasteb.in/p/j2hlJG2XO9YtP 19:44:50 --- quit: groovy2shoes (Quit: moritura te saluto) 19:47:19 pid 0 is passed to the child and the child pid to the parent. the parent discards the values, the child passes them to execvp 19:49:14 see https://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/2/fork/ and https://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/3/execvp/ 19:51:04 @crc thanks I will take a look 19:54:44 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 19:54:56 @crc none of these links have any working examples... how do i actually launch the two applications? 19:56:24 s" evince ( vlc ) file.pdf " system somthing like that? but it does not work. 20:05:23 the arguments would have to be setup and passed as the argv parameter, but I don't know how todo that in gforth. (my gforth install doesn't have the ffi working, so I can't test it currently) 20:11:49 ah ok.. i thought as it was a fairly simple thing it would have some inbuilt support in gforth. 20:13:46 none that I'm aware of. There's system, but that pauses execution of the parent. AFAIK, to do an actual fork/exec you need to go through the C functions via the FFI. 20:26:14 --- quit: dddddd (Remote host closed the connection) 20:31:38 what would have the greater overhead, launching a couple of instances of gforth and passing information via sockets or going the ffi route? 20:37:46 --- quit: yuiop (Quit: Page closed) 20:53:10 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:06:22 --- join: jedb (jedb@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-kznydrjbbdncqgjw) joined #forth 21:10:01 --- join: groovy2shoes (~groovy2sh@unaffiliated/groovebot) joined #forth 21:18:21 --- quit: lijero (Quit: Leaving) 21:19:51 --- join: smokeink (~smokeink@59-125-75-78.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/18.02.04