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09:51:00 <nomad81> Hi, i am trying to figure out how to use the blocks file system in gforth the manual does everything but give an example of how to actually save code to a block. I tried a bunch of times but every time I update and flush nothing is added to the block.
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10:50:13 <koisoke> you modify the block buffer in memory, do UPDATE FLUSH and nothing happens?
10:52:51 <koisoke> that is strange. post code to reproduce it somewhere?
10:52:51 <nomad1981> I type use test.block , then it says ok. I then type 1 list and it shows a blank block, I type in a comment, then i type in a word, but I can't get it to write to the block.
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10:57:42 <koisoke> are you typing in an editor or just straight into the REPL?
10:57:57 <nomad1981> into the repl
11:00:28 <nomad1981> https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOgEJyB0mF3
11:00:45 <nomad1981> I ran this as a script also.
11:01:09 <nomad1981> I think I am not getting the procedure for saving the block right. I must be missing somthing.
11:01:12 <koisoke> yeah that does not modify the block buffer contents at all, it's just compiling to your running gforth instance
11:02:22 <nomad1981> how to i write to the block? the gforth manual is a bit weird it goes on this long theory discussion without giving an example on how actually to do it.
11:03:05 <nomad1981> I was looking for an example on the net but there appears only to be stuff for things like fig-forth
11:06:14 <koisoke> nomad1981: blocked.fb has an editor you can load but it is pretty basic since gforth mainly only supports blocks for backward compatibility
11:09:38 <nomad1981> thanks I will have a look
11:10:37 <koisoke> you probably don't want to use blocks with gforth unless you have a specific resaon to
11:11:52 <nomad1981> I read that with blocks you did not require an operating system.
11:12:29 <jn> you still need a storage driver
11:12:47 <nomad1981> It would be nice to have projects that could just boot from a usb or micro sd card
11:13:13 <koisoke> you will not make gforth run on bare metal with anything like a reasonable amount of effort
11:13:27 <nomad1981> ah
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11:14:10 <Labu> Hello
11:14:40 <koisoke> and if you're looking to run on a modern PC, there is a lot of hardware to talk to, so you are almost certainly better off using some minimal installation of linux/*bsd than trying to go that route
11:15:19 <nomad1981> hmm maby one of the tiny linux distros
11:15:39 <Labu> Do you use emacs ? I tried to install forth-mode in this editor but it doesn't understand specific gforth syntax like this http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/Docs-html/Local-Variables-Tutorial.html#Local-Variables-Tutorial
11:16:17 <nomad1981> I use Se
11:16:26 <Labu> but this page talk about gforth https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Forth-mode
11:17:59 <koisoke> what is the problem, exactly?
11:18:12 <Labu> so I don't know If I use gforth-mode or forth-mode. I didn't find gforth-mode in package-list-command
11:19:03 <koisoke> i have only ever used forth mode when i have used emacs but forth syntax is minimal enough you could just as well use fundamental-mode
11:19:15 <koisoke> apart from some basic highlighting
11:19:34 <Labu> koiseke: when I try : swap { a b -- b a } emacs jumps to second line with an indentation just under first {
11:20:17 <Labu> I have several source code with this syntax which is gforth specific
11:21:25 <koisoke> that is a common enough (not just gforth) way to implement locals, but it does that to indent because you are still compiling to that definition
11:22:39 <Labu> I want two space indent in my defintion like in the example... 
11:23:46 <nomad1981> @koisoko thanks you for the assist.
11:25:28 <Labu> but I get 7 space .if I backspace I erase some space at the begining and return at the begining of the line without control of the number of spaces characters I remove
11:26:37 <Labu> because I have a tabulation at the begining of the line
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11:28:27 <Labu> I think forth-mode expect this:
11:28:27 <Labu> :swap
11:28:27 <Labu>   { a b -- b a }
11:28:29 <koisoke> Labu: it looks like gforth.el defines some variables to do what you want. i haven't tried customizing them
11:29:31 <Labu> is gforth.el not forth-mode ?
11:30:08 <Labu> I am looking in gforth package if I find it
11:30:09 <koisoke> it seems to be; looks like i was mistaken re: forth-mode
11:30:35 <koisoke> had thought there was one that shipped with emacs but apparently the one one on my system came from gforth
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11:33:52 <Labu> what the system do you have koisoke  ?
11:34:01 <Labu> I am on netbsd
11:34:14 <koisoke> ubuntu right now
11:34:20 <Labu> ok
11:35:25 <Labu> I tried to remove forth-mode from emacs package, but in this case I have nothing when I try to open a forth file
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11:37:36 <Labu> I am using .4th extension when I write forth source file but gforth.el seems to recognize .fs extension
11:37:50 <Labu> I suppose (I am not emac-lisp expert)
11:38:10 <koisoke> neither am i
11:38:40 <Labu> what is standard extension for forth source files ?
11:38:48 <koisoke> fs usually
11:38:51 <Labu> ok
11:39:15 <Labu> I don't know why I write 4th so...
11:39:28 <Labu> I am trying to rename my file
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11:51:09 <Labu> I download gorth.el from github
11:51:16 <Labu> work better now
11:51:21 <Labu> thx koisoke
11:51:42 <koisoke> not sure i've been helpful, but np :P
11:52:26 <Labu> you participated :-)
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