00:00:00 --- log: started forth/17.09.30 00:52:53 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@59.63.249.231) joined #forth 01:10:57 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 01:41:30 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:41:59 --- quit: proteus-guy (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01:42:58 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@121.31.40.179) joined #forth 02:02:12 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:746f:336f:c1a5:5690) joined #forth 02:06:28 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02:19:30 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 02:25:36 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@59.63.249.231) joined #forth 02:28:40 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:9573:cc1a:fbc4:1514) joined #forth 02:33:23 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 02:41:19 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:4083:5008:d9ff:139c) joined #forth 02:45:57 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 03:40:03 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04:13:20 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@71.198.73.193) joined #forth 04:16:10 --- quit: bedah (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04:19:51 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 04:28:39 --- join: bedah (~bedah@2a02:810d:243f:f584:b8f3:451f:281e:117c) joined #forth 04:46:50 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:edff:d0cc:67d2:f5b9) joined #forth 04:51:23 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05:01:55 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:ac7d:cfdd:58f0:9dd0) joined #forth 05:06:20 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05:37:06 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 05:37:06 --- quit: wa5qjh_ (Remote host closed the connection) 05:44:26 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@59.63.249.231) joined #forth 05:56:15 larsb and FataNIX Thanks for the positive feedback 06:02:15 Newsletter See page 13: http://www.glensideccc.com/data/library/newsletters/gccc34_4nl.pdf 06:02:15 johnmark_> I think that young people coming fresh out of collage may find it hard to understand that people once had 4kB of RAM and liked it. 06:02:21 --- quit: smokeink (Remote host closed the connection) 06:02:48 why do you think that? have you actually talked to young people coming out of college, or are you just making wild baseless assumptions 06:02:54 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@121.31.40.179) joined #forth 06:03:14 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:ac7d:cfdd:58f0:9dd0) joined #forth 06:04:29 Well I talked to interns and some of them were interested in 300 baud modems, BBS, and long distance charges of the day. 06:05:19 at my school we all had projects and labs where we wrote software for 8051s or PICs with only 1k of ram or less. just because we wrote our software on 64-bit laptops with 4G of ram doesn't make us incapable of fathoming anything else 06:05:38 "interested in" suggests they were aware of it 06:07:21 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 06:08:40 The young lady from India was particularly interested in the history of computers. 06:09:21 Newsletter See page 10: http://www.glensideccc.com/data/library/newsletters/gccc35_1nl.pdf 06:09:43 okay, but did she actually express that it was "hard to understand?" 06:09:54 --- quit: ZombieChicken (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06:11:39 do you find it hard to understand that people used to drive around on ford model Ts? 06:11:56 or were you alive for that, too? 06:13:27 --- join: ZombieChicken (~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/forgottenwizard) joined #forth 06:13:50 I was just a toddler during the heydays of the PDP-10, but I have since learned to fix bugs in ITS. 06:15:39 I spent some time explaining the difference between sequential access of a tape drive and the random access of a floppy / Hard Disk Drive / Solid State Drive. 06:16:25 I brought a tape cartage and a floppy to work and showed her. 06:16:49 The tape was for backing up hard drives. 06:25:49 senile old man 06:26:23 obviously conversation is only unidirectional for you 06:29:59 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06:32:46 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@59.63.249.231) joined #forth 06:33:17 See was very bright. She was eager to learn about punch chards, teletype, and sequential access. 06:33:48 It was not hard for her it was just new to her. 06:38:00 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:38:20 random access only makes sense in the light of sequential access. 06:39:24 A line editor makes perfect sense if you are using a paper terminal as opposed to a video terminal. 06:41:20 Sounds like a complete waste of time. 06:41:56 Carriage Return first and Line Feed second makes sense on a teletype because the Carriage Return take longer to perform. 06:43:39 * Lambdajack . o O ( Why don't we have 386 opcodes in Unicode? ) 06:44:14 (Perhaps because unicode is for exchange between humans rather than computers?) 06:45:13 --- quit: nighty-_ (Remote host closed the connection) 06:45:25 The make and space parity of an UART gets its name form the signals used with telegraph. 06:46:12 The ordering of CR and LF doesn't matter at all. 06:46:24 If you are talking about real teletype. 06:46:43 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@59.63.249.231) joined #forth 06:46:57 It used to be either one way or another. 06:47:56 Some one gave me a Silent 700 Teletype like terminal. I hope to find a power supply for it and then get it to work. 06:49:35 (Last time I have _seen_, not even _used_ paper teletype was about 20 years ago.) 06:49:43 * DGASAU shrugs. 06:51:57 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:52:28 They used to use paper tape to record a teletype message. The paper tape reduced the time needed to transmit a message and kept the long distance phone bill down. You would type a line of text followed my carriage return, line feed, rubout, rubout. The last 4 characters gave time for the carriage return to complete. 06:53:11 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@59.63.249.231) joined #forth 06:54:26 Last time I have received paper telegram was around 30 years ago, I think. 06:55:01 Maybe 35. 06:56:03 The fax machine replaced the teletype. 06:57:09 Anyway, I prefer not to be an old fart. 06:57:33 All that is gone. Mostly for good. 07:00:37 --- join: nighty-_ (~cp@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 07:01:02 I need to go now. 08:04:25 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:ac7d:cfdd:58f0:9dd0) joined #forth 08:09:57 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 09:02:27 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:33:26 --- join: smokeink (~smoke@59.63.249.231) joined #forth 09:49:47 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@2405:9800:bc10:1ca:f8f0:1f80:43f4:830c) joined #forth 09:50:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 09:51:17 --- join: reepca (~user@208.89.170.230) joined #forth 09:58:26 --- quit: smokeink (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10:06:40 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:ac7d:cfdd:58f0:9dd0) joined #forth 10:11:05 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10:19:59 --- quit: bavier` (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 10:34:49 --- quit: Zarutian_PI (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:35:15 --- join: Zarutian_PI (~3.1415@89.17.133.173) joined #forth 10:36:10 --- join: bavier` (~bavier@msp-nat.cray.com) joined #forth 11:04:43 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:ac7d:cfdd:58f0:9dd0) joined #forth 11:19:15 --- quit: Zarutian_PI (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:19:29 --- join: Zarutian_PI (~3.1415@89.17.133.173) joined #forth 12:19:53 --- quit: Uniju (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12:48:35 --- join: MickyW (~MickyW@p57A2F688.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 13:07:55 --- join: Uniju (~frog_styl@cpe-74-78-4-232.mass.res.rr.com) joined #forth 13:27:17 --- join: rtmanpages (~rtmanpage@171.sub-174-204-2.myvzw.com) joined #forth 13:43:59 --- quit: MickyW (Quit: Leaving. Have a nice time.) 13:50:57 --- quit: zy]x[yz (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14:39:53 There is a computer festival next weekend in Chillicothe Ohio. Forth programmers are scheduled to attend. Everyone is welcome. 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