00:00:00 --- log: started forth/17.07.07 00:06:24 there's a lot of languages that are written in cyrillic letters 00:06:32 I know 00:06:42 I can't tell any from the other :-> 00:06:49 yeah, it is Russian, and yes it is about HTML (or HTMLcoins if be specific) ) 00:07:11 ah, koiny ;) 00:07:14 of course.. 00:07:23 is it true, that cyrillic is based on Greek letters? 00:07:37 yeah, I love to play with this trendy "cryptoshinies" :-D 00:09:57 I didn't dive very deep, but yes old cyrillic related to old greek, religion texts everywhere was important language parts 00:19:38 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@h62-133-162-99.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined #forth 00:43:26 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:56:49 z0d: differentiating bulgarian from russian is trivial. 00:57:18 z0d: they belong to different branches of slavic languages. 00:57:30 sure, but if you don't speak any of the languages... 00:57:37 z0d: latin is based on greek letters too. 01:03:54 DGASAU: hmmm? more info on that? 01:03:56 z0d: fyi, in the case above, it is easy to tell by presence of letter ы. 01:05:23 --- join: dys (~dys@2003:5b:203b:100:6af7:28ff:fe06:801) joined #forth 01:05:24 nvm, found it 01:05:24 nerfur: info on what? 01:07:05 --- join: mtsd (3e5f4c02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.95.76.2) joined #forth 01:07:32 latin/greek 01:11:11 Well... That's very well-known fact, you can easily find a lot of explanation on the web. 01:12:15 IIRC, it was some variation with effects somewhat similar to Russian/Bulgarian where ъ is vowel in one language and special sign in another. 01:12:42 ...in one alphabet and special sign in another. 01:25:44 --- join: larsb (~lars@junk.nocrew.org) joined #forth 02:24:23 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 02:37:34 --- join: ncv (~neceve@host81-153-164-58.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 02:37:34 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 02:37:34 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 02:44:08 --- quit: ncv (Quit: Leaving) 02:44:31 --- join: ncv (~neceve@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 02:58:39 --- join: GeDaMo (~GeDaMo@212.225.125.110) joined #forth 03:13:36 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.219.178) joined #forth 03:37:43 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 04:08:51 --- quit: mtsd () 04:15:34 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 04:36:11 --- join: jedb (~jedb@71.19.248.193) joined #forth 05:00:34 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:18:38 --- join: jedb (jedb@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-ruibxmbjnwmfblvc) joined #forth 05:57:09 Historically ъ was a vowel, Old Church Slavonic short u, that stopped being pronounced in East Slavic languages 05:59:03 And all scripts used today except Chinese have a single origin 06:00:46 --- join: xyh-super-saiyan (~celtic-bo@113.110.141.157) joined #forth 06:10:47 It's a shame that Russians choosed in the end Cyrillic alphabet instead of Glagolitic :) 06:11:34 Glagolitic alphabet has really cool symbols :) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Kodex.Zograf.JPG 06:11:50 found a good blog :: http://yosefk.com/blog/my-history-with-forth-stack-machines.html 06:12:47 jcowan: are you sure about that? cuneiform and hieroglyphics (and their descendants) as examples 06:13:52 xyh-super-saiyan, Yes, it has serious Forth criticism. 06:13:55 Cuneiform is separate, but it's dead, as is Mayan hieroglyphs, with no descendants frome ither. 06:13:58 either. 06:14:16 The "single root" I mentioned is a simplified form of Egyptian hieroglyphs. 06:14:53 hm.. I never wondered enough to investigate which of them turned into phoenician, so that was hieratic or demotic? 06:15:03 xyh-super-saiyan, But, it's too wordy. I more like this one :) http://prog21.dadgum.com/33.html 06:15:23 yes, too many comments 06:15:30 true-grue: what are you working on recently ? 06:16:14 * wordy and too many comments 06:16:36 xyh-super-saiyan, I'm supporting my HLL compiler for multithreaded Forth processor. 06:16:59 --- nick: xyh-super-saiyan -> xyh 06:17:18 an open project ? 06:17:30 the HLL compiler 06:18:06 multithreaded Forth processor ! 06:18:24 rock ! 06:18:30 xyh, I don't know about RTL code of CPU, but eventually I plan to open source the compiler. 06:19:16 Well, we use threads instead of interrupts and DMA. So it's possible to do embedded programming on more higher level. 06:19:22 ecraven: Neither, actually. Embedded in hieroglyphic was a small abjad (consonant-only alphabet) which was modified into Phoenician (or more correctly Proto-Canaanite) 06:22:59 jcowan: thanks, I'll need to look into this in more detail 06:23:12 jcowan: you are a true renaissance man ;) 06:23:26 unless there are multiple jcowans with the same IRC handle :D 06:23:51 "My friends claim that I know at least something about everything, my enemies mutter that I know far too much about far too much." 06:24:31 Someone on my blog once expressed surprise that one of the many languages I know something about was bash. 06:26:34 recently I find myself hard to find a job, with my narrow and non-practical knowledge. ~~ trying to learn about the unix network programming now ~~ 06:27:59 true-grue: I suspect that if the Slavs *had* adopted Glagolitic, it would be seen as the boring one today 06:31:14 ecraven: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration_of_Ancient_Egyptian#Uniliteral_signs for the so-called "hieroglyphic alphabet" 06:36:55 ah, thanks, once upon a time I even knew how to read some of these 06:38:37 yesterday I watched Arrival 06:38:39 jcowan, The origin of Glagolitic symbols is still unknown. But it's interesting that both alphabets were proposed like two concurrent engineering projects. And Cyrillic won eventually because it was more simpler, Greek-like alphabet. 06:38:45 decoding the alien language was interesting 06:38:54 although the glyphs did look like coffee stains 06:39:54 Cyrillic looks to me like Greek inscriptional letters (also true for Coptic, Gothic, Latin) and Glagolitic more like mediaeval Greek handwriting 06:41:38 oh, you mean the origin of the non-Greeky letters; yes, that is still disputed 06:41:52 --- part: xyh left #forth 06:42:49 jcowan, There is a theory, for example, that Glagolitic has some connections with Celtic. 06:43:22 And Armenian, and Runic, and Coptic, and Hebrew, and even Linear B. 06:44:24 A newspaper magnate once sent a telegram to a famous astronomer, IS THERE LIFE ON MARS CABLE THOUSAND WORDS PREPAID 06:44:38 The astronomer didn't know what to do until he noticed the last word, PREPAID. 06:44:48 So he told the telegrapher to send "NOBODY KNOWS" 500 times. 06:46:40 :) 07:01:32 seems kind of arrogant of him to speak for everybody 07:01:49 if there is life on mars, surely they know about it 07:04:38 --- join: xyh (~celtic-bo@113.110.141.157) joined #forth 07:04:42 --- part: xyh left #forth 07:14:22 * jcowan chuckles 07:35:10 --- nick: ZarutianPI2 -> Zarutian_PI 07:38:46 --- quit: jcowan (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 08:11:35 --- join: xyh (~celtic-bo@183.37.24.76) joined #forth 08:21:16 --- join: iousiq (9f7f20fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.159.127.32.254) joined #forth 08:40:03 --- nick: xyh -> xieyuheng 08:40:33 --- quit: xieyuheng (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 54.0.1/20170630112252]) 08:47:52 --- quit: altLeCamarade (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 09:13:13 --- join: jcowan (~John@4.31.26.130) joined #forth 10:02:55 --- quit: ncv (Remote host closed the connection) 10:21:19 --- join: xyh (~celtic-bo@45.77.15.100) joined #forth 10:49:46 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11:05:31 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11:09:39 --- join: dys (~dys@ip-109-44-0-127.web.vodafone.de) joined #forth 11:47:00 --- join: MickyW (~MickyW@p57A2F267.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 11:52:06 --- part: xyh left #forth 12:02:32 jcowan: it didn't stop being pronounced. 12:02:39 We _do_ pronounce it even today. 12:03:25 Just as a separator between a hard consonant and following soft vowel. 12:03:28 No. 12:03:38 You're confused by the name of the event. 12:03:53 Reduced vowels changed. 12:03:57 Some of them were dropped. 12:04:05 But others became normal ones. 12:05:22 --- quit: dual (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 12:06:43 In fact, I'd say that we have the sound still. 12:07:25 And I'd say that in many cases it is located exactly where it as before, only denoted by different letter. 12:26:49 Oh yes, the Fall of the Yers was only for weak ones, not strong ones. But the point is the *letter* ъ no longer represents a sound. 12:31:10 why do I keep writing r> when I mean >r 12:39:23 Why do I, after 35+ years, still write reutnr when I mean return? 12:43:28 that's probably a race condition 12:43:53 (racism!!) 12:55:44 Probably yes 13:10:55 --- join: ACE_Recliner (~ACE_Recli@c-98-220-46-30.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:10:58 --- join: jpt9 (~jpt9@unaffiliated/jpt9) joined #forth 13:11:44 --- part: jpt9 left #forth 13:15:53 --- join: jcowan_ (~John@4.31.26.130) joined #forth 13:18:49 --- quit: jcowan (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13:20:08 --- part: jcowan_ left #forth 14:08:10 --- quit: MickyW (Quit: Leaving. Have a nice time.) 14:13:15 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 14:37:02 --- quit: iousiq (Quit: Page closed) 17:21:24 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:17:09 --- quit: rain1 (Quit: Leaving) 22:02:51 --- join: regreg (AdiIRC@85.121.54.224) joined #forth 22:25:22 --- join: Chef_Gromboli (~Chef_Grom@static-72-88-80-103.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 22:43:27 --- quit: Chef_Gromboli (Quit: Leaving) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/17.07.07