00:00:00 --- log: started forth/17.06.01 00:02:47 --- join: chat____ (~chat@p54B2FF84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 00:43:43 --- quit: josh5tone (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:43:59 --- join: josh5tone (~josh@99-51-169-74.lightspeed.nworla.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 00:46:43 --- quit: DGASAU (Remote host closed the connection) 00:46:51 --- join: DGASAU (~user@lmpc.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 01:12:58 --- join: neceve (~ncv@79.114.57.79) joined #forth 01:12:58 --- quit: neceve (Changing host) 01:12:58 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 02:56:12 --- quit: nighty-- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 03:43:35 --- join: GeDaMo (~GeDaMo@212.225.127.213) joined #forth 04:07:02 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 04:52:23 --- join: opamp (~textual@97-104-93-154.res.bhn.net) joined #forth 05:16:35 --- quit: opamp (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 05:17:31 --- join: opamp (~textual@97-104-93-154.res.bhn.net) joined #forth 05:18:19 --- quit: opamp (Client Quit) 05:22:31 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-167-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 05:27:22 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 07:47:51 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 07:53:14 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 08:00:04 --- join: jedb (~jedb@199.66.90.113) joined #forth 08:21:13 --- join: hobbes- (~hobbes@bnc.jfng.fr) joined #forth 08:40:33 --- quit: DGASAU (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:40:42 --- join: DGASAU (~user@lmpc.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 08:49:56 jedb: have you implemented it at least once? 08:50:14 nope 08:50:38 Thus, your estimation is purely theoretical. :) 08:51:15 I suggest that you implement at least anything and measure the time spent. 08:51:47 my estimation? 08:52:12 all over the internet I see claims that Forth is easy to implement, so I think $500USD would be overpaying by a considerable margin 08:52:21 Your words. ;) 08:52:22 oh, that 08:52:46 just hearsay, that 08:52:47 500 USD is what? 300 EUR? Or 400? 08:53:19 I tend to think of it as 500USD = out of my budget :P 08:56:32 Software engineer salaries start at ~4000 EUR, i.e. you should be able to implement anything of reasonable quality within 3 days, if you think it is that easy. 08:59:44 --- quit: jedb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:06:25 --- join: jedb (~jedb@71.19.249.82) joined #forth 09:10:44 ...Whether it is outside of your budget is irrelevant. 10:26:32 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 10:52:25 I estimated having spent around 2000 hours on my Forth. And it's a toy. 10:55:00 You do understand that it is 50 full-blown weeks, i.e. nearly whole year without vacations, don't you? 10:55:50 easy to implement, or simple to implement? 10:55:57 not the same thing. 10:56:49 --- quit: malyn (Quit: "") 11:39:27 --- quit: dys (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:04:58 I probably misremembered. I think it was closer to six month full-time work. 12:07:35 Even if it is six weeks, costs a lot more than 500 USD still. 12:07:44 And definitely not so trivial. 12:32:49 MrBusiness: for what platform? 12:33:11 RE: allegro, there's a colorforth variant for windows called glypher: https://github.com/crcx/glypher 12:33:46 I haven't tested it on any recent versions due to a complete lack of hardware for this 12:45:54 --- join: malyn (~malyn@unaffiliated/malyn) joined #forth 12:46:24 I think more important is to choose/create good graphics library and to have a good idea for your game. Check the computer games history. Most game scripting languages were written in the process of work on the game. 12:48:41 You can write a simple interpreter/vm for and of Forth-, Lisp-, Algol-like syntaxes in the same amount of time. Well, if you know how to make compilers and stuff. 12:49:27 and of -> any of 12:52:22 Wozniak made his "GAME BASIC" for Apple II in a few weeks, I think. And he did know nothing about compiler theory. Well, most of these old programmers just didn't know that writing your own languages is hard. 12:55:51 My point here is that writing your own Forth is a good decision when you know nothing but Forth. But not many forthers realise that writing your own version of "normal" language like Lisp or Oberon is not harder at all. 13:25:28 --- join: proteus-guy (~proteus-g@80-109-105-47.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) joined #forth 13:36:05 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 14:01:22 --- join: MrBismuth (~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:9166:6469:a945:d111) joined #forth 14:01:50 --- quit: MrBusiness (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15:02:59 --- join: opamp (~textual@97-104-93-154.res.bhn.net) joined #forth 15:12:03 --- quit: opamp (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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