00:00:00 --- log: started forth/17.05.19 00:21:19 --- quit: dograt (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:30:36 --- join: dograt (~dograt@unaffiliated/dograt) joined #forth 00:42:47 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-175-210.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 02:18:41 --- quit: nighty-- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 03:15:26 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 04:15:59 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.219.178) joined #forth 04:32:04 --- join: GeDaMo (~GeDaMo@212.225.127.213) joined #forth 04:48:18 --- join: dys (~dys@tmo-103-43.customers.d1-online.com) joined #forth 04:56:46 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 05:32:31 larsb: IIRC, Testra has done some work on a Forth HDL 05:47:43 http://testra.com/Forth/index.htm has some information 05:52:55 Thanks. 05:53:04 Found this. 05:53:06 http://www.forth.org/svfig/kk/11-2016-AWagner.pdf 06:16:57 --- join: kkjlleeel (50b26e9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.178.110.155) joined #forth 06:19:20 larsb: A few things have changed since I gave that Forth Day talk. 06:19:20 Instead of , for AND I redefine PUSH 06:19:20 Instead of | for OR I redefine POP 06:19:20 ( those words that are used internally at the front and back of a word definition) 06:19:20 The logic fabric is viewed as a BDD/shannon expansion. The logic minimization is applied to the BDD. Because the minimization is correct every step of the way, the logic fabric can be minimized during operation without interruption. 06:19:21 The structure of the logic fabric is very self-similar so my synth&pnr tool can be very concise. 06:21:51 kkjlleeel: Were you previously jjkkleee looking for 1982 FORML Proceedings? 06:22:11 yeah i did 06:25:16 why, you got them? 06:26:22 wanted to read Lawrence Forsley, "Recursive Data Structures," 06:31:37 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 06:34:09 kkjlleeel: I have a 120 square feet of storage in San Mateo, CA packed full of Forth books & materials. I just checked my inventory list and in it I have 5 copies of 1982 FORML Proceedings. I could send you a hard copy for $10 + the price of shipping. 06:34:09 The only reason I ask for the $10 is because the storage locker is costing me $75/month and I'm trying to recover at least some of the cost. 06:34:09 I'm associated with the Silicon Valley Forth Interest Group. You can send me or Kevin Appert (program chair) a message. 06:34:09 I'm in Boston, MA at the moment so I could send it out when I return to CA if you're interested. 06:35:41 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:37:06 --- join: karswell (~user@65.91.199.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 06:40:10 do you keep track of what ya got there? can i get a list of stuff you got? 07:09:51 kkjlleeel: I have a complete list of everything in storage, but I have to go through Kevin before I can publish it. The Computer History Museum, the Internet Archive, etc have dibs on some things. I've been bringing titles of which there are many copies to monthly SV-FIG meetings and mailing out some copies as well. I'll get the complete list on the web once 07:09:51 I return to CA. 07:12:55 kkjlleeel: I PM'd you my email. 07:13:19 pointfree, Do you have any of Forth-related books in Russian? 07:13:37 sounds great, you pps are doing gods work. 07:20:15 true-grue: I don't remember, but I do have a shelf with non-English language forth materials. I forgot to put those in my spreadsheet because they are in my apartment and not in one of the storage lockers. 07:22:21 pointfree, Can you remember any of interesting non-English books? Nice cover or pictures inside, interesting code examples etc? :) 07:46:18 --- join: neceve (~ncv@79.113.69.183) joined #forth 07:46:18 --- quit: neceve (Changing host) 07:46:18 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 07:49:11 --- join: reepca (~user@208.89.170.250) joined #forth 07:53:07 Just had a random thought... in common language we don't say "buy this and cook this and eat this and digest this", we say "buy, cook, eat, and digest this". I saw someone using THIS as an alias of DUP and now wonder if it might be a useful convention to have words that don't consume their input end with a comma. That way we could say "this buy, cook, eat, digest" instead of "this buy this cook this eat this digest". Thoughts? 07:54:05 err, rather instead of "this buy this cook this eat digest". 07:56:23 not bad 07:57:01 but there's a potential collision with words that allot stuff (c, for example) 07:57:20 or compile, for a better example 07:57:44 Normally it wouldn't be the same 'this' at each stage, it would be the result of the previous stage 07:58:02 true 07:58:51 the collision doesn't bother me. they would be higher-level words, and so would most likely have more descriptive names and be in another vocabulary 08:20:30 reepca: Reminds me of C@+ and C!+ which have that kind of stack effect. It would be good to have other higher level words with that kind of effect. I thought it might be good to have comma compiler kinds of words that compile to other spaces and memory areas than just the dictionary ...such as compiling to run-time. 08:20:31 But to get random access over run-time you would need a reversible forth. Gerald Wodni (and others?) did some stuff on reversible forth, but the user facing words weren't the clearest. Viewing run-time as a memory area would probably make it more user friendly. 08:23:31 --- quit: nighty-- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 08:23:32 true-grue: I remember there are bound magazines and books with illustrations. I didn't look into them much. 08:44:49 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:08:19 pointfree, I see. I was hoping to hear about something really exotic, like Japanese Forth tutorial in the form of Manga comics etc :) 09:10:20 https://archive.org/details/ataribooks-forth-on-the-atari-learning-by-using 09:23:13 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-164-132.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 09:27:18 GeDaMo, Well, it's hard to forget this cover. 09:28:23 :P 09:30:54 --- join: dys (~dys@x5f71d950.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 10:23:14 --- quit: clog (^C) 10:23:14 --- log: stopped forth/17.05.19 10:23:27 --- log: started forth/17.05.19 10:23:27 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 10:23:27 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | Forth Standards at http://forthworks.com/forth | www.greenarraychips.com | https://github.com/mark4th' 10:23:27 --- topic: set by crc!sid2647@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvbpvizerlziiwww on [Wed Apr 19 13:11:34 2017] 10:23:27 --- names: list (clog zincing dys gravicappa reepca karswell kkjlleeel GeDaMo true-grue dograt Keshl proteus-guy MrBusiness bavier djinni DGASAU bedah irsol nerfur z0d josh5tone LeCamarade roundsf coelebs izabera a3f_ koz_ xek APic rprimus pdewacht carc onre Uniju nighty- ovf jeremyheiler pointfree M-jimt pointfree[m] yunfan sigjuice newcup bluekelp Quozl` Riviera @koisoke groovy2shoes @crc rgrinberg ggherdov` larsb lonjil CORDIC fiddlerwoaroof midre zy]x[yz phadthai malyn) 10:23:27 --- names: list (diginet2 rpcope cajg dzho) 11:07:09 --- quit: zincing (Quit: Leaving) 11:19:17 --- join: dual (~bonafide@cpe-74-75-153-119.maine.res.rr.com) joined #forth 11:41:54 --- quit: lonjil (Remote host closed the connection) 12:35:34 --- quit: kkjlleeel (Quit: Page closed) 13:25:43 --- join: ACE_Recliner (~ACE_Recli@c-50-165-178-74.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:39:03 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 13:41:27 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 14:01:15 --- quit: gravicappa (Remote host closed the connection) 14:18:03 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.90.159) joined #forth 14:22:59 --- quit: wa5qjh (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15:24:46 --- join: Chef_Gromboli (~Chef_Grom@static-72-88-80-103.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 16:45:57 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:54:56 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:19:28 --- quit: ACE_Recliner (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17:54:46 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 18:05:35 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 18:48:16 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@ip-64-134-147-53.public.wayport.net) joined #forth 18:48:41 got pulled over 2 months ago and refused to answer any questions or supply ANY documentation at all. was taken to jail and charged with 'failure to ID'. 18:49:34 opted for trial by jury and to represent myself and then filed a challenge to the judges jurisdiction. doing this LITERALLY rips discretion right out from under the judge. the only thing she could do then was either PROVE she had jurisdiction in a court superior to her own or to dismiss the case. no other options 18:49:42 case dismissed yesterday 19:13:59 --- join: ACE_Recliner (~ACE_Recli@c-50-165-178-74.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:34:37 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@101.100.169.145) joined #forth 19:34:37 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 20:17:50 --- quit: mark4 (Quit: Leaving) 20:39:27 --- join: neceve (~ncv@79.113.69.183) joined #forth 20:39:27 --- quit: neceve (Changing host) 20:39:27 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 21:05:41 --- quit: a3f_ (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in) 21:08:00 --- join: a3f (~a3f@unaffiliated/a3f) joined #forth 21:09:37 --- join: a3f_ (~a3f@unaffiliated/a3f) joined #forth 21:12:49 --- quit: a3f (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:15:56 --- join: a3f (~a3f@unaffiliated/a3f) joined #forth 21:16:32 --- quit: a3f_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21:19:48 --- join: a3f_ (~a3f@unaffiliated/a3f) joined #forth 21:22:50 --- quit: a3f (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21:48:10 --- join: a3f (~a3f@unaffiliated/a3f) joined #forth 21:50:37 --- quit: a3f_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21:51:40 --- quit: a3f (Client Quit) 22:10:01 reepca: if you know any typical germanic language and any typical slavic language, then you should understand that your analogy about how you say it in "common" language is a huge stretch. 22:11:16 reepca: if you know a little about any altaic language then you understand that it is even worse. 22:15:27 Maybe he meant "common usage in the English language". 22:19:37 Even worse. 22:24:22 --- quit: Chef_Gromboli (Quit: Leaving) 22:34:52 --- join: dys (~dys@x5f71c1de.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 22:53:27 --- join: a3f (~a3f@unaffiliated/a3f) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/17.05.19