00:00:00 --- log: started forth/17.05.08 01:03:32 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 01:12:57 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.90.139) joined #forth 02:15:13 --- join: bleh (49ef261c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.239.38.28) joined #forth 02:15:20 crc 02:15:24 you literally muted me 02:15:29 then forgot you muted me for an entire month 02:15:35 and left your account permanantly away so I could not message you 02:15:51 and then when I tried to message other people so that they would remind you to unmute me you banned me for it 02:16:09 even though I did nothing wrong and also was correct about the things we were talking about when you muted me 02:16:25 please stop being a douche and unban me so I can discuss forth 02:16:42 --- mode: koisoke set +b *!*@kiwiirc.com/ip.73.239.* 02:16:55 --- kick: bleh was kicked by koisoke (I banned you for it and I'm banning you again) 02:19:46 "so I can discuss forth" 02:19:59 lol 02:40:10 09:36 I disagree that I got sufficiently warned. I said a swear word and I was muted for a month immediately without warning. I was not warned that any trolling would cause a ban. 02:40:21 09:38 I am not an rtfm kind of person. Not in seven years has anyone forced me to read a single manual and you won't either. I am a grown man and if I do not want to read a manual i don't have to. 02:47:10 :D now what is this 02:47:26 (is there such a strong policy on swear words, btw?) 02:49:03 no 02:49:04 not really 02:50:40 there is a policy on saying ~"i'm a high level programmer. fuck your electrical engineer bullshit" to people trying to answer your questions about forth 02:51:43 fwiw the policy says you shouldn't do that 02:53:05 rather intuitive policy, i'd say 03:16:50 and even then he probably would have been just warned for that had he not already engaged in a pattern of trolling behavior over many weeks and several warnings 03:17:22 i wonder what's the motivation behind such behaviour 03:18:10 i don't know. boredom and low-hanging cheap amusement? 03:18:46 for some definitions of amusing, sure 03:19:52 --- join: GeDaMo (~GeDaMo@212.225.127.213) joined #forth 03:57:20 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 04:15:07 --- join: ACE_Recliner (~ACE_Recli@c-50-165-178-74.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:17:10 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.219.178) joined #forth 04:20:02 --- quit: ACE_Recliner (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04:20:31 --- join: ACE_Recliner (~ACE_Recli@c-50-165-178-74.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:36:06 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.90.139) joined #forth 04:39:06 --- quit: ACE_Recliner (Remote host closed the connection) 05:05:09 --- join: sacculina (~oblivia@156.57.149.237) joined #forth 05:23:19 --- join: gravicappa (~gravicapp@ppp83-237-165-244.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 05:25:47 --- mode: koisoke set -b+b *!*@kiwiirc.com/ip.73.239.* *!*@*kiwiirc.com/ip.73.239.* 05:39:39 He popped in here while I was out on my morning cycling. 05:41:26 In the unlikely event that he decides to read the logs: 05:41:33 (1) I did not forget that he was muted. I was waiting for him to reach out to me or koisoke and express an actual willingness to participate and learn. 05:41:46 (2) My account is never actually away: I get realtime alerts anytime I am mentioned or receive a privmsg. 05:42:04 crc: I don't think he realizes the problem though 05:42:04 (3) Spamming others in the channel is *not* tolerable 05:42:27 (4) Making threats against ops for muting you will significantly extend the mute or make it a ban. 05:42:37 z0d: of course not. 05:43:06 so our efforts are wasted 05:43:19 on lecturing him 05:44:18 Yes. And I doubt he'd read the logs anyway. He doesn't want to learn or put any effort into things. 05:56:57 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 06:53:56 he doesn't read, period 06:54:12 even in the channel, he won't read responses to his questions. he just likes to spew nonsense 06:54:48 clearly he has a mission, then 06:55:09 it occured to me that he might be a bot with Markov chain 06:56:53 in private after kicking him again, i cited the exchange that finally got him muted. a little bit later he said he would not have to ask so many trivial questions if he had the gforth sources 06:57:35 why didn't he download them, then? 06:57:36 1) the first google result has a link to them in the first paragraph and 2) crc linked to them in the exchange i pasted to him a little bit before 06:59:25 also: 09:38 I am not an rtfm kind of person. Not in seven years has anyone forced me to read a single manual and you won't either. I am a grown man and if I do not want to read a manual i don't have to. 06:59:35 i can't believe this guy is serious 07:00:43 heh 07:01:01 that's true. you don't have to. but then don't be surprised when you don't understand how something works 07:01:10 He's protecting his freedom. 07:01:14 you should have just said: "but you have to" 07:02:13 freedom to not learn things 07:02:32 freedom to remain tabula rasa 07:27:26 My biggest surprise porting to RISC-V was the absence of an "open" syscall in Linux. 07:32:51 ?! 07:34:06 what is there instead? 07:36:08 sys_openat() instead of sys_open() 07:36:17 IIRC, sys_open() is deprecated 07:38:26 ah. good to know. 07:40:57 I didn't know any of the kernel variants had actually removed the old syscalls though 07:41:39 is this stuff documented somewhere? this isn't the first time I've been using a linux syscall only to hear through the grape vine that it's deprecated 07:46:12 I didn't find any documentation about that, really. Just that "openat" looked suspiciously like "open". 07:47:11 It's like a pillarstone of Unix has crumbled. 07:47:37 sometimes OS developers deprecate a syscall for that specific OS 07:47:39 Anyway, just insert the magic number -100 as the first argument, and it works just like before. 07:47:52 it doesn't mean it's deprecated for Unix in general, or POSIX 07:48:59 Sure, it's fine if Linux has a totally foreign syscall ABI and a vanilla interface in the C library. 07:49:20 larsb> Anyway, just insert the magic number -100 as the first argument, and it works just like before. 07:49:23 lol what 07:49:38 is there a c #define for that? 07:50:36 https://linux.die.net/man/2/openat 07:50:44 I've never heard of openat before :| 07:51:02 oh, AT_FDCWD 07:51:17 but it's not like open 07:51:22 open a file relative to a directory file descriptor 07:51:50 z0d, but if you pass AT_FDCWD (-100 as larsb pointed out) for the fd, then it behaves like open 07:51:59 assuming that also means you can pass it absolute paths 07:52:12 "If pathname is absolute, then dirfd is ignored." <-- yes 07:52:15 I see 07:52:17 Yes, absolute patch works like before regardless of the first argument. 07:57:58 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@static-72-88-80-103.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 08:43:27 --- quit: M-jimt (Remote host closed the connection) 08:43:30 --- quit: pointfree[m] (Remote host closed the connection) 08:49:25 --- join: pointfree[m] (pointfreem@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xqcexwzlstyllddl) joined #forth 08:52:25 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 09:14:47 --- join: M-jimt (jimtmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hyvsjhbbitoouoxb) joined #forth 10:38:44 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 10:51:54 --- quit: dys (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:58:50 --- join: dys (~dys@ip-109-40-3-86.web.vodafone.de) joined #forth 11:46:29 --- quit: MrBusiness (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12:47:27 --- join: MickyW (~MickyW@p4FCFEDF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 12:56:43 Hello. 13:03:20 Hi MickyW :) 13:04:21 Hi GeDaMo. 13:04:56 Hi zy]x[yz 13:05:36 Heute brauchen wir wieder keine Teleskopsteuerung sondern eine Wolkensteuerung. :-) Schade. Ich hätte gestern gerne den Jupiter unterm Mond gesehen. 13:06:02 Bin aber kein Hard-Core-Sterngucker. War nur eine interessante Situation. 13:06:23 Ausserdem passt es zu FORTH. - So. Nun bin ich wieder still. 13:07:32 Ooops. Soryy for writing in German. Wrong channel. 13:07:47 np, I'm all about hard-core-sternguckers 13:16:03 --- join: ricky_ricardo (~quassel@2602:306:328f:79f0:4916:610c:63a5:626d) joined #forth 13:27:48 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 13:32:10 --- quit: ricky_ricardo (Remote host closed the connection) 14:27:37 --- quit: gravicappa (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14:53:05 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.90.139) joined #forth 15:04:02 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15:04:44 --- join: MrBusiness (~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:bd43:402a:2d:a78) joined #forth 15:29:14 --- quit: nighty-- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 16:05:27 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 16:08:20 --- join: dys (~dys@ip-109-40-0-16.web.vodafone.de) joined #forth 16:09:45 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:44:29 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.90.139) joined #forth 16:45:18 --- quit: MickyW (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17:18:33 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:22:02 --- quit: nighty-- (Remote host closed the connection) 17:23:23 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:34:42 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17:43:31 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 18:00:11 --- quit: sacculina (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:08:09 --- join: sacculina (~oblivia@156.57.149.237) joined #forth 18:19:51 --- join: ricky_ricardo (~quassel@c-24-1-8-212.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:21:18 What is the idiom / significance behind (PARENTHESIZED_FORTH_WORDS) such as (emit) or (loop) ? 18:22:43 Words like ['] vs ' make sense. Is there a similar idiom I'm missing with ()? 18:22:43 they implement low-level details for the unparenthesized words and usually aren't meant to be used directly 18:23:01 ah, thank you. 18:23:33 *unparenthesized words of the same alphanumeric name 18:41:15 --- quit: onre (Remote host closed the connection) 19:12:47 --- join: ACE_Recliner (~ACE_Recli@c-50-165-178-74.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:45:08 --- quit: proteus-guy (Remote host closed the connection) 19:49:12 --- join: neceve (~ncv@86.125.247.109) joined #forth 19:49:12 --- quit: neceve (Changing host) 19:49:12 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 20:19:22 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 21:15:43 --- quit: sacculina (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21:29:01 --- quit: pointfree () 21:29:34 --- join: pointfree (sid204397@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dgpirmjjnhyzwjzo) joined #forth 21:31:20 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 22:02:45 --- join: dys (~dys@ip-109-44-3-103.web.vodafone.de) joined #forth 22:23:33 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.90.139) joined #forth 23:19:37 --- join: Keshl_ (~Purple@24.115.185.149) joined #forth 23:19:49 --- quit: Keshl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:40:00 --- quit: Keshl_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:40:01 --- join: Keshl__ (~Purple@24.115.185.149.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 23:54:44 --- quit: jeremyheiler () 23:54:59 --- join: jeremyheiler (sid81469@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbzdyjuhhxxuyxcg) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/17.05.08