00:00:00 --- log: started forth/16.12.08 00:12:57 --- join: impomatic_ (~digital_w@host81-136-106-55.range81-136.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 01:08:09 --- quit: dograt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:09:10 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 01:11:12 --- join: dograt (~dograt@unaffiliated/dograt) joined #forth 01:16:43 --- quit: nighty- (Remote host closed the connection) 01:18:28 --- join: nighty- (~cp@www.taiyolabs.com) joined #forth 02:22:59 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 03:23:34 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@71.198.73.193) joined #forth 03:28:00 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 03:38:52 --- join: nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 04:20:10 --- join: ricky_ricardo (~rickyrica@2601:240:4203:ecb0:ad64:2dd1:f35:48ed) joined #forth 04:24:57 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:5ce7:85e7:bf40:cb56) joined #forth 04:30:14 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05:27:08 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:5ce7:85e7:bf40:cb56) joined #forth 05:31:34 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05:38:46 --- quit: ricky_ricardo (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05:52:58 --- join: ricky_ricardo (~rickyrica@2601:240:4203:ecb0:ad64:2dd1:f35:48ed) joined #forth 06:27:32 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:9585:86f0:4fe3:ed7b) joined #forth 06:32:05 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 06:37:05 I am so excited about forth and concatenative programming 06:37:16 it's like the ultimate solution to the last four years of my research 06:58:59 --- join: Mat4 (~claude4@ip5b4114b3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 07:11:53 I'm still on the fence about it 07:12:43 I am convinced I can use RPN at the least 07:12:54 but perhaps ans forth does not fit all problem domains 07:13:28 I would say every single language defnition has situations in which it is not as effective 07:13:36 and certain ones in which it is hyper effective 07:14:17 yes, good job. you just described that not every problem is a nail 07:22:52 John[Lisbeth], what is your experience with concatenative programming so far ? 07:24:31 I have been searching for concatenative programming for four years 07:24:41 but I didn't know what to call it, only that I thought it was there 07:24:59 I can not explain to you what problem I was trying to solve, only that concatenative programmign currently seems like the best solution to it 07:25:32 Let's use RPN on top of Bash with a bit of concatenative programming and then wrap it all in Krivine machine. This thing should fit all domain fields for sure! 07:26:00 well putting it in a krivine machine is a step I have not taken yet 07:26:14 I am not sure whether or not the assertions about the krivine machine are true, or the speeds 07:26:22 it is possible the speeds will no be where I want 07:48:03 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 07:56:28 I suggest to spend time better investigating problem oriented processor architectures like the Mill CPU 07:58:21 or even VISC, or dynamic scalable VLIW architectures ... there exist plenty of new approaches at current which probably much better performance to power ratio than the current state 07:59:21 Dynamic VLIW == OoO ? :) 08:02:23 no, dynamic instruction lenght (prefix) 08:03:18 which=with 08:04:18 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.158.7256&rep=rep1&type=pdf 08:04:52 and here is the git repro: https://github.com/tvanas/r-vex 08:05:14 (that's one example for active, VLIW related research) 08:05:24 Some DSP use variable instr. VLIW length/compression. 08:06:04 yes, if I remember correctly some TI DSP's for example 08:06:36 however, the number of bundle lenghts is limited 08:08:27 to citate above paper:" stand-alone general-purpose processor: In this sce- 08:08:27 nario, complete applications (or application threads) run 08:08:27 on the VLIW processor. The implementation of the 08:08:27 processor can be fixed during the execution of multiple 08:08:27 applications, but our envisioned reconfigurable VLIW 08:08:27 processor should be able to adapt itself to different 08:08:31 applications (or even to code portions within a single 08:08:33 application)." 08:08:42 And VISC arch looks suspicious. 08:08:52 it is 08:09:02 I see nothing except some marketing texts on their site. 08:11:10 to my knowledge there have just finished an example processor 08:11:24 And there already exist some proposals for integrating CGRA with VLIW. 08:13:39 have you a link to share, that would be nice ? 08:15:00 Mat4, For example: https://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse591n/06au/papers/fpl_03_mei.pdf 08:16:15 thanks 08:31:24 --- join: impomatic (~impomatic@host81-136-106-55.range81-136.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 08:35:46 --- join: ASau (~user@netbsd/developers/asau) joined #forth 08:39:29 --- quit: Mat4 (Quit: Leaving) 08:40:33 --- quit: zy]x[yz (Ping 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--- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:e408:b7bf:a63e:c1cb) joined #forth 23:28:32 for some reason I am always drawn to this channel more than #concatenative even though I am more of a concatenative programmer than a forth programmer 23:51:51 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/16.12.08