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It's impressive how far you can go without conditionals :) 16:27:03 i've been having a lot of fun playing with it and starting to get interactive with the mouse, etc. 16:27:13 i ought to be working. but this is much more fun :) 16:34:18 --- join: saml_ (~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 16:55:25 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:19:07 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 17:20:24 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12864064 17:23:28 hopefully pointfree hasnt posted this everywhere already 17:36:28 --- quit: reepca (Remote host closed the connection) 17:39:20 --- join: reepca (~user@std-001.cune.edu) joined #forth 17:55:09 --- join: ricky_ricardo (~rickyrica@2601:240:4203:ecb0:d193:2cc4:998b:ba10) joined #forth 17:57:33 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 18:31:52 --- quit: nal (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:35:54 --- join: nal (~nal@adsl-64-237-237-159.prtc.net) joined #forth 18:40:16 --- join: proteusguy_satri (~proteusgu@node-yg4.pool-125-24.dynamic.totbb.net) joined #forth 18:56:18 --- quit: rgrinberg (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19:08:10 --- join: the_count (~weston@172-1-66-81.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 19:15:27 Who was saying something about FTDI the other day and about fake chips. I have been reading the logs because they have a tendancy to be interesting in this channel... I am confident that my cable is a genuine FTDI USB adapter. 19:23:35 the_count: I think there is no need to worry about that. 19:45:02 --- quit: saml_ (Remote host closed the connection) 20:00:02 Does anyone remember the URL to that site that did "stack algebra" to get the stack in the correct order for you? 20:00:43 I remember I could write stuff like "A B C => A A A" and it would give me "drop drop dup dup" etc... 20:02:14 So as part of an assignment I had to write about 500 lines of x86-64 assembly code... I am no longer concerned whatsoever about any time cost of stack manipulations 20:04:22 ricky_ricardo: I know the thing you're talking about, I've seen it before, but I don't know where it is. 20:04:39 I think on the forth subreddit there was a post with a link to it several pages back? 20:04:51 Yeah- im searching but coming up with nothing. 20:05:10 I tried "algebra" "solve" "solver" "acrobatics" - nothing! 20:15:41 I'm searching back through the history of the forth subreddit, but I keep finding interesting links and opening them in new tabs on my way... got about 12 open so far 20:18:48 --- quit: systemsgotyou (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20:30:32 Hah- that happened to me too. Found that guys neat token threaded Forth he wrote in Python. 20:32:56 How about the cubs then? 20:34:16 ricky_ricardo: acrobatics? 20:34:39 reepca: 12? That's it? 20:34:53 I've heard the term used to describe poorly factored code that requires too much stack manipulation. 20:35:03 I see 20:35:19 it has since grown to 25 20:35:36 Is that all your tabs, or just from reddit? 20:35:51 just the ones I've opened from /r/forth 20:35:56 I have 184 open in total 20:36:15 Good. Just making sure I have you beat 20:38:52 Just found this:https://skilldrick.github.io/easyforth/ Looks very cool 20:41:01 I have 496 tabs open 20:41:11 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@99-164-75-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 20:41:22 no you don't 20:41:29 I do too 20:41:39 well certainly not all active tabs 20:42:01 firefox is burning 3.8GB with what I have open right now. Of course, last time I closed all of them but one and it still burned 3.3GB, sooo.... 20:42:14 No, not active, though my laptop has handled it with them having 600 tabs, all loaded 20:42:30 Meh browsers these days are just too damn good 20:42:42 when I was growing up there were no tabs 20:42:47 everything was a window 20:42:53 Chrome doesn't load tabs when you click them, so I object 20:43:10 wella lso when chrome crashes it remembers your tabs whereas there used to not be tabs 20:43:18 So from my perspective it's amazing how good browsers have become 20:43:30 reepca: Firefox for me is about 2.4 gb 20:43:31 I guess I really could have hundreds of tabs, but I would want a different interface for it 20:44:27 Firefox dropped a feature where you could group tabs togather, but you can still get it as an extention 20:44:35 yeah certainly 20:44:37 John[Lisbeth]: see tree-style tabs 20:44:45 you know I Just might 20:46:54 reepca: Those tree style tabs look interesting, but not entirely useable 20:51:06 --- join: dcs (~moby@189-105-251-179.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #forth 20:51:06 what I need is keyboard tabs 20:51:52 What's that? 20:53:23 How much do any of you use shortcuts for navigating a computer? 20:53:43 Only really when I'm in emacs 20:54:50 Not to start a fight or anything, but I have never really saw the point of emacs or vi/vim. Why would I want to use them? 20:58:13 Well, the basic idea behind both of them is to be really fast at editing text. Usually by having tons of hotkeys and never having to move your fingers from home row. Emacs goes a bit farther and also has a scripting language (elisp) to write arbitrary extensions in. For coding things, I can use it for just about anything, and quickly. 20:59:03 I still don't understand how it would be much faster than with any other editor 21:00:55 It's kind of hard to explain how it's faster without either showing an example (something that's hard to come up with on the spot) or giving a lecture. Compared to IDEs, it can perform a lot more operations than just "cut/copy/paste, insert, delete, and select". 21:01:56 I see. Just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQAd41VAXWo and I guess it has me hooked 21:16:25 --- join: neceve (~ncv@86.125.241.206) joined #forth 21:16:26 --- quit: neceve (Changing host) 21:16:26 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 21:27:51 yeah I am an emacser and i can tell you all emacs is the bomb 21:28:06 it may not be very minimal but it works alot like how forth works and if you are using a regular desktop os it's a great choice 21:28:32 I think what you are seeing in that one is org mode which is among other things sort of the ms office of emacs 21:29:14 It has visical-like spreadsheets, bulleted lists that can do powerpoint-like things. and etcetera 21:45:18 --- quit: nal (Quit: WeeChat 1.4) 21:51:11 Possibly. I have to go, see all of you later 21:51:14 --- quit: the_count (Quit: leaving) 21:51:56 --- join: karswell (~user@124.209.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 22:06:11 not a fan of emacs or vi. i think sublime text is faster than vi anyway 22:32:45 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 22:42:37 --- quit: dcs (Quit: Leaving) 23:05:58 mark4, long time no see! Good to see you back! What you working on these days? 23:19:31 heh actually a book 23:19:37 mark4.anapnea.net 23:20:15 am " <-- this close to releasing my thumb2 forth but i got a few things to iron out first 23:28:45 fascinating. 23:29:54 mark4, you gonna publish that source on github any time? :) 23:31:11 hopefully 23:34:45 it is close im just a perfectionist :) 23:43:51 --- join: timeslice (~photon@2001:8003:f10f:f800:260a:64ff:fe69:d6a9) joined #forth 23:57:41 --- quit: ASau (Remote host closed the connection) 23:57:56 --- join: ASau (~user@netbsd/developers/asau) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/16.11.03