00:00:00 --- log: started forth/16.10.23 00:04:44 John[Lisbeth], just start coding and see where it takes you. That's the best way. 00:15:34 This is me coding 00:17:37 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 00:39:32 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 01:24:26 Pf! 01:24:30 "Unix guys." 01:24:45 TECO is THE editor. 01:25:04 That's why Emacs is much much better than vi. 01:35:20 ASau you have to help me get this krivine machine 01:39:26 still with the "krivine machine" thing 01:39:40 John[Lisbeth]: have you got an example of a krivine machine, some working source in another platform? 01:45:13 all I have is this useless haskell http://www.hastebin.com/olexetilor.hs 01:45:19 apparently it's "upside down" whatever that means 01:45:31 I can't read it at all 03:31:22 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 03:32:00 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:32:40 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 03:33:43 --- join: ASau` (~user@176.5.89.255) joined #forth 03:34:56 --- quit: ASau (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:53:32 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.222.10) joined #forth 04:12:38 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:410:300:8d11:bd2c:5ab5:6a6f:c140) joined #forth 04:15:55 --- join: proteusguy_satri (~proteusgu@183.88.58.52) joined #forth 04:17:11 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 04:19:24 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 04:43:46 --- quit: proteusguy_satri (Quit: Leaving) 04:44:15 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@183.88.58.52) joined #forth 04:44:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 04:46:29 --- quit: DocPlatypus (Quit: Leaving) 05:40:30 --- join: dys (~dys@x5f727123.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 06:02:13 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 06:04:19 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 06:14:01 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:410:300:8d11:bd2c:5ab5:6a6f:c140) joined #forth 06:18:27 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 06:40:45 --- join: neceve (~ncv@86.125.241.206) joined #forth 06:40:58 --- quit: neceve (Changing host) 06:40:59 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 07:18:20 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:18:51 --- join: karswell` (~user@83.208.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 08:06:08 --- join: regain (~moby@177-177-183-251.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #forth 08:39:19 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 09:09:25 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:410:300:8d11:bd2c:5ab5:6a6f:c140) joined #forth 09:16:13 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 09:17:22 --- join: Zarutian_ (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 09:17:22 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:17:22 --- nick: Zarutian_ -> Zarutian 09:25:04 --- quit: Keshl (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 09:37:59 --- join: DocPlatypus (~skquinn@c-73-6-60-72.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:47:11 --- join: Keshl (~Purple@24.115.181.94.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 09:48:46 --- quit: karswell` (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09:54:40 --- quit: Keshl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:32:00 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 10:35:44 --- quit: DocPlatypus (Quit: Leaving) 10:44:08 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:410:300:8d11:bd2c:5ab5:6a6f:c140) joined #forth 10:46:19 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:46:55 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-68-34-69-223.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:07:57 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 11:12:05 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:410:300:8d11:bd2c:5ab5:6a6f:c140) joined #forth 11:27:35 --- join: nal (~nal@adsl-64-237-235-187.prtc.net) joined #forth 11:53:18 --- quit: regain (Quit: dc) 12:12:21 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 14:31:05 --- log: started forth/16.10.23 14:31:05 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 14:31:05 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | http://projects.forthworks.com/standards/DPANS/ | www.greenarraychips.com' 14:31:05 --- topic: set by crc!sid2647@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-incoycbnpesmfspg on [Fri Nov 06 18:58:45 2015] 14:31:05 --- names: list (clog nal Zarutian dys +proteusguy true-grue ASau DKordic OriansJ`` newcup DGASAU ovf John[Lisbeth] X-Scale cantstanya ggherdov`__ pointfree nighty groovy2shoes jeremyheiler nighty- segher_ gordonjcp systemsgotyou nerfur yunfan phadthai malyn diginet2 hexagon5un rprimus_ Quozl`_ reepca lucasaiu djinni dograt fiddlerwoaroof M-jimt dzho rpcope APic beretta _longines pdewacht Vendan taij33n crc eldre irsol npr eatonphil carc backer_ +bluekelp) 14:48:10 --- join: super_anonymous (53db9a79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.219.154.121) joined #forth 14:50:09 --- part: super_anonymous left #forth 15:28:39 --- join: rgrinberg (~rgrinberg@blk-212-79-74.eastlink.ca) joined #forth 15:35:28 --- join: ASau` (~user@x2f7fce1.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 15:37:13 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15:52:48 John[Lisbeth]: why dont you use this? https://sourceforge.net/projects/androidforth/ 16:09:23 --- join: zy]x[yz (~corey@71.59.19.88) joined #forth 16:10:43 https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.f#L226 am I missing something, or isn't the top of the stack the address saved by BEGIN on line 226 here? 16:11:04 and not the counter that he wanted 16:11:24 I mean, it appears to work so I must simply just not understand it 16:12:09 --- quit: nighty (Remote host closed the connection) 16:15:20 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:26:06 oh, I get it. because BEGIN is immediate the address it retrieved is on the stack during compile-time, not when the function executes 16:26:19 which means I can't use it except in a word definition. I get it 16:38:20 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 16:53:47 Android forth might be good I dunno 16:56:55 there was a bashforth listed in forthworks but that's gone now 16:57:55 John[Lisbeth]: are you going to make an awkforth? 17:01:54 yeah that's what I reckon only I will probably design things by piping around text files 17:02:05 so not one long awk file but several shell commands combined 17:02:36 with wget I should be able to read and write from database with http though I could be wrong 17:02:46 That's like most of what you need for a service 17:04:25 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:05:39 alrighty then 17:06:12 I want to make a botnet and just play with it for research purposes. I am gonna target cheapo walmart tablets 17:06:34 Not for collecting userdata or anything I Just want the compute 17:09:11 that compute... *drools* 17:09:45 I am a poor gas staion clerk I don't want to pay for my virtual machines unless I have to 17:10:22 The hardest part is gonna be to keep the data secure in that the owner of the phone can't thwart my efforts 17:11:02 ooo isnt that a dangerous job? 17:11:42 If some electrical engineer finds out about my sytem they could easily hack it if I'm not careful 17:12:10 I was thinking I could use like a trust system as well as redundancy so I would check phone's answers against other phones byte for byte 17:13:57 and so in order to hack it you'd have to gain control of all of the duplicates so that they all came up with the wrong answer 17:14:14 this is also good for finding bugs because ones with bugs may have different answers 17:16:13 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 17:17:10 There's probably a way in android to separate yourself from other apps but on these cheapo phones you've got weird engineers doing things to the hardware and os like automatically turning off random apps to "be fatser" and "save power" 17:24:29 I think I can try to guess if a computer is a avid computer user without them knowing and without collecting their data 17:25:05 I'll send myself back an identifier for their phone which I can access their phone programatically and a bool that tells me if they are an avid computer user 17:25:21 so for example if their phone is rooted that bool is automatically 1 17:25:30 or if they have an xda developers app installed their bool is a 1 17:25:37 if their bool i sa 1 then I don't run anything on their phone 17:26:12 Things that make a bool 0 are like if they have candy crush installed, or like if they have the top 10 most popular apps installed 17:26:34 If they leave bluetooth turned on for long periods of time for no reason things like that 17:26:41 signs they do not understand computers 17:29:55 gambling apps are a good market because gamblers tend to be people who are bad at math 17:31:44 I can also look a tthe specs of the phone and assume the better the specs are the better the computer user might have been 17:32:04 so if they still have the 2 gb sd card that came with the phone inside it then th ey might not be a good computer user 17:34:11 --- quit: systemsgotyou (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17:35:23 --- join: systemsgotyou (~User@71.91.8.13) joined #forth 17:42:38 --- join: segher (segher@bombadil.infradead.org) joined #forth 17:42:56 --- join: nighty-_ (~cp@www.taiyolabs.com) joined #forth 17:44:00 --- quit: segher_ (Write error: Broken pipe) 17:44:02 --- quit: nighty- (Remote host closed the connection) 17:50:04 i have no idea what you're talking about 17:50:10 lacking a lot of context 17:50:29 but its ok, i have stuff to do anyway 17:50:35 (dont explain) 17:51:45 lol well no other chatter going on 17:52:14 I pretty much an going to make this channel my home for a while while I sort out forth ideas in my head. That and #concatenative 17:53:40 TLDR I am gonna make a forth botnet out of maybe awkforth 17:54:22 and for each bot I have I am going to do metrics on the phone to see how likely it is that user is an avid comuter user. FOr example if their phone is rooted they are probably an avid computer user 17:54:58 If the bot is owned by an avid computer user I will not user the answers they give when I send them comute tasks because the avid computer user could have manipulated the answer 17:55:39 And so if I've got 300 bots in my net and I want tripple redundancy, I send each compute task to three separate bots then compare the answer and so it cuts it down to 100 bots in theory 18:04:22 --- join: nerfur` (~nerfur@mail.freeside.ru) joined #forth 18:06:32 --- quit: nerfur (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18:32:13 --- quit: eldre (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 18:38:35 --- join: eldre (~eldre@blip.afturgurluk.net) joined #forth 18:51:33 --- quit: rgrinberg (Remote host closed the connection) 19:22:10 --- join: rgrinberg (~rgrinberg@blk-212-79-74.eastlink.ca) joined #forth 19:32:16 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 19:39:16 --- quit: rgrinberg (Remote host closed the connection) 20:41:12 --- quit: ASau` (Remote host closed the connection) 20:47:24 --- join: ASau` (~user@x2f7fce1.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 20:47:42 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 20:50:26 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20:57:47 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21:35:18 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@183.88.187.37) joined #forth 21:35:18 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 21:46:01 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 21:49:18 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@183.88.187.37) joined #forth 21:49:18 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 21:50:36 --- join: ASau`` (~user@dhcpclg.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 21:50:50 --- quit: ASau` (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22:20:01 --- quit: nal (Quit: WeeChat 1.4) 23:41:32 proteusguy: looks like I can browse it 23:53:12 nerfur`, cool - feel free to. haha 23:58:50 --- join: dys (~dys@x5f71cfbd.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/16.10.23