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00:01:48 <John[Lisbeth]> What is weird is that to penetrate certain coding markets I need to interface with other people's code
00:02:05 <John[Lisbeth]> which means there will always be new hurdless to jump over
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01:05:49 <nerfur> life built by hurdles you need to jump 
01:05:55 <nerfur> that's how it works 
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02:55:58 <John[Lisbeth]> I am thinking maybe I should be a whitehat hacker
02:56:12 <John[Lisbeth]> I don't even have to apply for some of the jobs I just have to report vulnerabilities
02:56:27 <John[Lisbeth]> In a sense I can just write myself a check
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03:12:29 <true-grue> Just found that Sea Wolf II (1978) arcade game was written in Forth :)
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16:48:05 <reepca> Is it ever a good idea to use a variable stack effect?
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16:55:08 <Zarutian> reepca: like the word ?KEY does?
16:56:12 <reepca> I can't find that word in the gforth word index... 
16:57:38 <Zarutian> well it is in figForth and eForth iirc
16:58:27 <Zarutian> it is like this ?KEY ( -- keynr T | F ) implementation-spefic-code ;
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17:15:55 <reepca> Well my specific problem is that I am writing some code to insert nodes into a linked list, but I only want the node to be created and inserted if a node with that key doesn't already exist. The problem is I want to be able to use that same code for nodes with different contents. I've considered deferring new-node, and I've also considered just having whatever uses it give a variable number of arguments to be put into the new node. I
17:15:56 <reepca> think what I'm going to do though is to just have whatever uses it be able to just append contents to the node, since it'll be dictionary-allocated.
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18:28:30 <pointfree> reepca, let me know if you have any objections to me possibly screenshotting your comment here https://www.reddit.com/r/Forth/comments/587dfh/high_stack_finegrain_concurrency/d8ybgi0/ for my Forth day talk (if the approach works out for the gelFORTH HDL)
18:29:26 <pointfree> That's what I'm going to re-factor my gelFORTH HDL to look like: looks like Forth, but secretly parallel. No more arcane Boolean algebra look.
18:29:47 <pointfree> DUP makes two parameters parallel with an initially identical source. SWAP commutes the two continuing output paths.
18:30:17 <reepca> go for it!
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18:32:38 <pointfree> Great! It inspired my new direction. Thanks!
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19:26:42 <John[Lisbeth]> I think I really want to make a botnet out of people's phones and have them press agree on a license that says I can do it.
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19:29:41 <Zarutian> John[Lisbeth]: an EULA that allows for botneting? I am not sure of the legalities there. Where I live EULAs have no meaning or enforcability but TOSes do.
19:31:35 <John[Lisbeth]> Well first of all I could put things in the license to be better
19:31:40 <John[Lisbeth]> for example I am not using it for domain hijacking
19:32:15 <John[Lisbeth]> most people use botnets to get user's data. I will put in the license that if a user can find a pace where I am able to steal customer personal data I will pay them a whitehat hacker fee
19:32:33 <John[Lisbeth]> All I really want is the compute and a little storage
19:33:34 <John[Lisbeth]> I can advertise in the app "the way we pay for it is to have an ad and to use a tiny bit of processing power on your phone. We put it in the license that we are not allowed to steal your data and we'll even pay you if you can find a way to steal someone's data with our app"
19:33:35 <Zarutian> oh, that. Just make an ad module for apps and you get the compute and little storage with out much fuss
19:34:11 <John[Lisbeth]> ad pays for it but to use it as a botnet I have to cover my ass and make sure I am being lawful
19:34:12 <Zarutian> John[Lisbeth]: say have you heard the term "agorics" or "agoric computing"?
19:34:17 <John[Lisbeth]> no
19:34:46 <Zarutian> because it looks like what you want to do is basically that
19:35:51 <Zarutian> this http://www.cap-lore.com/Agorics/library.html might be of intrest to you then.
19:38:20 <Zarutian> and with that I am off to bed
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19:42:39 <John[Lisbeth]> The way I see it I could make a botnet
19:43:07 <John[Lisbeth]> I just say hey this is an app where you slow down your phone a tiny bit to pay for it.
19:43:20 <John[Lisbeth]> And you don't do anything that could be considered malicious to the user.
19:47:56 <bluekelp> ~
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23:15:29 <John[Lisbeth]> how many bites is 999999999999999999
23:15:37 <John[Lisbeth]> *bytes
23:19:05 <John[Lisbeth]> oh my word it defies logic
23:19:11 <John[Lisbeth]> in a good way
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