00:00:00 --- log: started forth/16.09.24 00:02:31 --- quit: nighty (Remote host closed the connection) 00:16:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ao97vrAkF8 00:16:58 top tier vaporwave 00:17:37 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00:29:54 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@14.207.15.141) joined #forth 00:29:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 00:32:04 John[Lisbeth]: quite like that 00:32:45 vaporwave is the ultimate 80's a e s t h e t i c that never really was in the 80's to begin with but began in 2012 00:32:47 --- join: M-jimt (jimtmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-bmpokwcqerpqtgbj) joined #forth 00:33:39 John[Lisbeth]: https://rrpub.gjcp.net/static/eightyfive.ogg 00:34:09 that's more like legitimate 80's 00:34:24 new retro wave is alot like that 00:34:24 thanks :-) 00:34:38 I did it as a music bed for a retrocomputing podcast 00:34:41 vaporwave is typically not aiming to be authentic 80's though 00:34:52 it is meant to be a rehash of what the 80's was 00:35:24 the arpeggiated bit is not authentic 80s 00:35:48 --- join: nha__ (~nha@2a01:e35:8be8:4e70:7812:d469:e980:3c3) joined #forth 00:35:57 the drums, bassline and squarewave lead are 00:36:33 this is an example of new retro wave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJqLH8EA2rM 00:36:43 the key feature is that it is not slowed down like vaporwave is 00:37:06 John[Lisbeth]: drums are TR505, bass is of course a Yamaha DX21, squarewave lead is a Juno HS60 00:37:24 I don't know alot about instruments 00:37:27 the arpeggiated bit is off a Novation Xiosynth though, very very not 80s 00:37:42 and I don't know when the Peavey Deltafex I used for the flanging on the drums came out 00:37:42 If I were to make music like this I would just use a digial music studio plus a microphone and foam for vocals 00:37:57 John[Lisbeth]: I stopped using computers to make music 00:38:02 I used to write synthesis plugins 00:38:29 The problem is that if you don't understand the underlying maths you can mess it up digitally 00:38:34 --- quit: nal (Quit: WeeChat 1.4) 00:38:35 --- quit: ggherdov`_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00:38:44 you have to do things a certain way to perserve audio quality and all that 00:38:46 not at all 00:38:53 there's no maths in it 00:39:02 music synthesis is full of maths 00:39:02 there's a lot of arithmetic 00:39:09 same thing 00:39:12 no 00:39:22 u lie 00:39:32 I mean even in some really hardcore DSP the most I've ever used was a bit of algebra, maybe some calculus 00:40:17 in all seriousness I have never applied anything I didn't learn in high school to the maths in DSP stuff 00:40:24 If you were to build something like fruityloops from scratch you'd need to know alot of math about music 00:40:29 like second year of high school 00:40:30 John[Lisbeth]: no 00:40:37 there's absolutely fuck all to it 00:40:40 I don't believe you 00:40:49 you'd need to know a hell of a lot about process scheduling 00:40:58 otherwise your note timing would be all over the place 00:41:04 the maths is easy 00:41:05 I prefer to design things in a "rendering" sort of philosophy 00:41:24 and at that, there's so little actual maths, just arithmetic 00:41:30 lots and lots of arithmetic 00:41:31 what you hear when you have it playing live is just a low quality version of it 00:41:42 and when you want to record the final version you do a "rendering" 00:41:42 meh 00:41:45 you can do that if you like 00:41:53 --- join: ggherdov`_ (sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-klszekmtrcopwhbx) joined #forth 00:42:18 John[Lisbeth]: what is genuinely useful is when you're mixing just massively increase the latency and use more "expensive" processing 00:42:40 you don't need it to be as responsive, particularly if you've mixed and recorded all your movements as automation 00:42:56 in theory you could then play the whole lot back in less than real time 00:43:10 take an hour to mix down a three minute song 00:43:41 in practice, the gains from working at that level of processing quality would be lost as soon as you actually output to anything 00:43:55 an hour isn't so long to wait if you think you've got the sound right 00:44:00 and the first thing anyone's going to do is compress it to a 128kbps MP3 and listen to it on shitty in-ear headphones 00:44:14 sure 00:44:19 so 00:44:23 but audiophiles still care 00:44:28 fuck audiophiles 00:44:33 nah 00:44:45 just *tell* them it's rendered at 384kHz 96-bit 00:44:50 they can't tell the difference anyway 00:45:13 cloth-eared cunts with more money than sense 00:45:25 gold plated mains plugs, fuck's sake 00:45:28 anywho 00:45:30 get in the fucking sea 00:45:31 yeah 00:45:33 right synthesis 00:45:39 vaporwave 00:45:41 in practice, quality is never an issue 00:46:01 any "imperfections" that you hear on an instrument in isolation will be lost in a mix 00:46:11 even really badly clicking loops 00:46:15 drop it in a mix, gone 00:46:49 John[Lisbeth]: stuff like digital filters, people obsess about getting a transfer curve *exactly* like a proper Moog ladder filter 00:47:08 but in reality any nuances are utterly lost once you have other elements around it 00:47:25 what's far more important is that the controls of your instrument work well 00:47:31 you've got sensible control ranges 00:47:42 John[Lisbeth]: a good case in point is the Roland TB303 00:47:48 everyone goes balls out trying to emulate the filter 00:47:54 the filter's got fuck all to do with it 00:48:17 the *envelope* for the filter is the key to the sound, and no-one has really got that right in a plugin yet 00:48:20 not even me 00:48:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ti4jdSxkMM 00:49:45 John[Lisbeth]: you want to do any heavyweight maths as little as possible 00:50:08 just looking at a thing I'm working on just now, for every iteration around the synthesis loop 00:50:18 where I actually compute a sample to go out to the DAC 00:50:31 --- join: ASau (~user@netbsd/developers/asau) joined #forth 00:50:58 there are 28 multiplies, 4 divides, 60 adds and 8 right-shifts 00:51:10 those have to happen 32000 times a second 00:51:15 ASau: morning 00:51:36 John[Lisbeth]: that's just algebra, but there's a lot of it and you have to do it really quickly 00:51:51 in this case I have to do all those eight times, because there are eight voices 00:57:25 maybe I could just make containers that process sound 01:05:19 John[Lisbeth]: LADSPA, LV2, VST... 01:06:04 John[Lisbeth]: essentially these are all just dynamic shared objects that can talk to a host application in a known way 01:32:31 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:b4af:307c:bd0a:76a7) joined #forth 01:37:17 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 01:48:53 I am hearing alot of rap songs on the radio that are remixes of popular 80's songs 01:52:10 John[Lisbeth]: yes, take a sample of something and then shout different words over it 01:53:01 it took me a long time to get into rap 01:59:19 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.222.10) joined #forth 02:01:28 --- join: mnemnion 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