00:00:00 --- log: started forth/16.06.21 00:04:05 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 01:27:47 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 01:54:56 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02:23:31 --- quit: wa5qjh (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:52:54 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 05:00:57 --- quit: clog (^C) 05:00:57 --- log: stopped forth/16.06.21 05:01:09 --- log: started forth/16.06.21 05:01:09 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 05:01:09 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | http://projects.forthworks.com/standards/DPANS/ | www.greenarraychips.com' 05:01:09 --- topic: set by crc!sid2647@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-incoycbnpesmfspg on [Fri Nov 06 18:58:45 2015] 05:01:09 --- names: list (clog nighty true-grue phadthai dram1 dys DGASAU guna joneshf-laptop karswell Uniju_ Quozl`_ APic Skuzzzy dzho irsol eldre nighty-_ octo_ orzo @bluekelp ggherdov` eatonphil diginet2 cantstanya rpcope _longines carc Gracana nisstyre newcup +crc ovf jeremyheiler segher tangentstorm DKordic dograt probonono taij33n Vendan djinni gordonjcp rprimus koisoke_ backer pointfree yunfan the_cuckoo) 05:48:47 --- quit: dram1 (Quit: dram1) 06:18:01 --- quit: nighty (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06:18:30 --- join: nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 07:05:23 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@183.88.78.90) joined #forth 07:05:23 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 07:25:42 --- join: groovy2shoes (~groovy2sh@unaffiliated/groovebot) joined #forth 09:41:18 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-207-249-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:55:52 --- quit: guna (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10:04:09 --- join: beretta (~beretta@cpe-98-30-146-54.columbus.res.rr.com) joined #forth 10:04:17 --- join: guna (~user@h-201-187.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #forth 10:11:09 --- join: Keshl (~Purple@24.115.181.94.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 11:52:52 --- quit: guna (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11:53:04 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 12:27:22 --- join: real-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 12:29:01 --- quit: djinni (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12:29:44 --- join: djinni (~djinni@68.ip-149-56-14.net) joined #forth 12:30:14 --- quit: the_cuckoo (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12:30:49 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12:30:50 --- quit: Quozl`_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12:30:50 --- quit: Gracana (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12:30:51 --- join: Quozl` (~quozl@download.laptop.org) joined #forth 12:31:05 --- join: Gracana (~Gracana@pnnk.org) joined #forth 12:45:58 --- join: the_cuckoo (~charlie@d51A50AE9.access.telenet.be) joined #forth 13:01:28 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 13:02:30 --- join: karswell` (~user@31.185.131.182) joined #forth 13:21:16 --- join: actual-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 13:25:53 --- quit: real-grue (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 13:39:17 --- join: guna (~user@h-201-187.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) joined #forth 14:08:35 --- join: ASau (~user@netbsd/developers/asau) joined #forth 15:02:18 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 15:08:09 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-64-237-233-25.prtc.net) joined #forth 15:13:38 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 15:21:08 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@203.111.224.35) joined #forth 15:34:12 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8103:f9d0:91f2:19bb:971d:8563) joined #forth 15:37:56 --- join: nal (~nal@adsl-64-237-233-25.prtc.net) joined #forth 15:47:04 Gracana: usually one uses perfboard or veroboard (certain kind of strip board) for prototyping stuff 15:47:35 Zarutian: digital logic is (or was, really) prototyped on wire-wrap boards 15:47:44 Zarutian: also, fuck perfboard 15:47:47 just go straight to PCB 15:48:00 rapid prototyping, bay-bee 15:48:12 gordonjcp: yeah, etching single layer or dual layer is relatively easy these days 15:48:26 Zarutian: it's incredible 15:48:59 Zarutian: especially since I picked a bubble etch tank and a PCB pillar drill out of the skip when a factory run by the company I work for closed down 15:49:06 gordonjcp: re using that scaple method on SMD: doesnt that destroy or damage the chip package? 15:49:14 Zarutian: yes 15:49:21 but since it's faulty, it doesn't matter 15:49:27 oh, I see. 15:49:58 Zarutian: this is not a technique that works well for the "HERP DERP LETS SWAP BITS UNTIL IT WORK" brigade 15:50:04 but 15:50:11 I've got something for them 15:50:19 it's a ticket to Largs 15:50:25 they can get the train to Largs 15:50:29 well the usual method I have used with hot air station is to put a flat prier under the package and gently heated around and around the legs and pads 15:50:35 and when they get out of the railway station they can turn left 15:50:40 and right in front of them is the sea 15:50:49 which they can just get the fuck in 15:51:21 along with the "HERP DERP IT NO WORKY MUST BE CAPACATATORZ! LETS RECAP IT!" 15:51:31 they can get in the sea too 15:52:13 well, I have swapped out capacitors on stuff like power packs for old computer lcd monitors and such 15:52:25 but then it is damn obvious that the caps are dry 15:52:34 Zarutian: one would assume you've got a reasonable idea that they're faulty 15:52:54 yebb 15:53:14 I think I've done maybe a dozen or so genuinely faulty electrolytics 15:53:27 not counting cheap shitty switched-mode power supplies, which I mostly don't do these days 15:53:42 thousands and thousands of faulty ceramic capacitors though 15:54:05 and it pays to look for caps that were made by the 'fakers'. (The whole bruahaha around the caps in PC power packs scandal and all that) 15:55:23 (usually one can spot them by the terrible silk printing used) 15:55:45 heh 15:56:03 I have actually had a genuinely leaky electrolytic in something recently 15:56:08 nice old HP sillyscope 15:56:20 uses a 6" CRT monitor, which had extreme crushing 15:56:45 the whole display was about 1/4 the screen height with the top half compressed and the bottom half completely gone into a line 15:56:56 you seems knowledgable about the 7400 series. Was there at any time an package that was basically an mux whose address was fed by an inbuilt shift-in-out/parallel out register or is that just wishfull thinking? 15:57:14 could see a dribble of something on the board near a 10μF electrolytic associated with the frame osc IC 15:57:28 touched it with the iron, distinctive cat piss smell 15:57:37 clean it off, new cap, boom 15:57:45 working 4-channel 100MHz 'scope 15:57:54 not bad 15:58:14 yeah, okay for something that was going in the skip otherwise 15:58:29 good recycling that 15:58:29 --- quit: actual-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:58:32 mux driven by a shift register, not that I know of 15:58:38 oh totally 15:59:08 if I hadn't got the monitor working I might have just stuck an LCD in with a suitable interface 15:59:14 although 6" 4:3 LCDs are hard to get 15:59:32 right, midnight, time for me to go analogue 15:59:35 nn channel 15:59:37 why have is so small? just use one of the old LCD 16:00:42 * Zarutian infers from that and the use of skip and Larg that gordonjcp is most likely in the UK 16:02:08 Zarutian: yup, Scotland 16:02:20 because 6" would fit the existing bezel 16:02:32 otherwise I'd stick a composite out on it and hook it to my 50" plasma 16:02:44 https://www.reddit.com/r/Forth/comments/4p7ith/is_this_genuinely_a_2k_book/ 16:02:50 ^ serious question 16:05:07 I wouldnt say no to a good pdf scan of that book 16:06:26 seriously 16:06:28 ? 16:06:36 mine's rather falling apart 16:07:00 just the binding or? 16:07:00 it was in a box of shite in a computer shop that I cleared out, and I grabbed it because it said "Forth" on the cover :-) 16:07:14 the cover is loose from the binding, it would fix 16:07:39 well, it is the archivist in me that wants the scan of it 16:08:09 I can do a rough flatbed scan of it but I haven't got a "proper" scanner 16:08:17 Vol 1 seems a lot more common 16:08:38 a rough flatbed scan is better than nothing 16:09:23 wonder if there's a scan of Vol 1? 16:10:11 right, I'm off 16:10:13 later all 16:10:58 well if you have that too, scan it also if you are going to scan volume 2 16:11:09 the guys and gals at http://www.jupiter-ace.co.uk/ would apriciate it 16:11:17 later, gordonjcp 16:38:32 --- quit: karswell` (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16:43:21 --- join: saml_ (~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 17:00:41 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:12:51 --- quit: wa5qjh (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 17:21:24 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@203.111.224.35) joined #forth 17:23:39 --- quit: wa5qjh (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:26:03 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@203.111.224.35) joined #forth 17:40:47 --- join: dram (~Thunderbi@112.65.46.78) joined #forth 17:42:18 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 17:48:08 --- quit: Kumool (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:09:16 --- quit: beretta (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18:28:53 --- join: dram1 (~Thunderbi@112.65.46.78) joined #forth 18:30:49 --- quit: dram (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18:30:49 --- nick: dram1 -> dram 18:42:49 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:43:24 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8103:f9d0:91f2:19bb:971d:8563) joined #forth 18:48:38 --- quit: saml_ (Quit: Leaving) 18:49:32 --- quit: dram (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:08:34 --- join: dram (~Thunderbi@112.65.46.78) joined #forth 19:18:42 --- quit: groovy2shoes (Remote host closed the connection) 19:20:06 --- join: groovy2shoes (~groovy2sh@unaffiliated/groovebot) joined #forth 19:22:46 --- join: mnemnia (~mnemnion@172.56.38.91) joined #forth 19:24:26 --- join: mnemnion_ (~mnemnion@2601:643:8103:f9d0:4cd1:a91d:aa1b:d22e) joined #forth 19:25:42 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19:27:25 --- quit: mnemnia (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:48:56 --- join: karswell` (~user@31.185.131.182) joined #forth 22:11:44 --- quit: nal (Quit: WeeChat 1.4) 22:15:59 --- join: colorful (32356919@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.53.105.25) joined #forth 23:03:21 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 23:29:01 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@mptcp-digitalocean-sg.proteus-tech.com) joined #forth 23:29:01 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 23:33:12 --- quit: wa5qjh (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:49:59 --- join: irsol_ (~irsol@unaffiliated/contempt) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/16.06.21