00:00:00 --- log: started forth/16.05.30 00:13:28 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.58.136) joined #forth 00:45:37 --- join: real-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 00:48:38 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 01:04:25 --- quit: nighty (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01:16:23 --- join: JDat (JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 01:18:33 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 01:20:01 --- quit: proteusguy_satri (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01:21:04 --- join: proteusguy_satri (~proteusgu@180.183.121.140) joined #forth 01:28:33 --- quit: JDat (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01:50:08 --- join: Bahman_ (~Bahman@91.98.161.177) joined #forth 01:52:57 --- quit: Bahman (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02:16:01 --- quit: mnemnia (Remote host closed the connection) 02:37:00 --- quit: wa5qjh (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:39:54 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.58.136) joined #forth 02:43:34 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 02:49:49 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02:59:58 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:01:09 --- join: karswell (~user@128.28.90.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 03:23:51 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 03:36:09 --- quit: Bahman_ (Quit: ave atque vale) 04:20:51 --- join: nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 04:41:03 --- quit: proteusguy_satri (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05:23:50 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 05:26:56 --- quit: real-grue (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 05:33:44 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:58:24 --- join: _longines (~longines@static.183.80.201.138.clients.your-server.de) joined #forth 06:16:39 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@111.50.67.43) joined #forth 06:41:58 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 06:42:26 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 06:43:40 --- join: karswell (~user@128.28.90.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 07:17:23 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@pool-74-110-57-203.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 07:33:35 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:34:45 --- join: karswell (~user@128.28.90.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 07:41:55 --- quit: phadthai (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07:45:48 --- join: phadthai (mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net) joined #forth 08:11:26 --- join: proteusguy_satri (~proteusgu@180.183.55.153) joined #forth 08:53:08 friendly reminder that forth is a joke toy language 08:53:17 thanks for the cheese 08:55:52 Wait! 08:55:56 How come? 08:56:30 Are you going to become a target of all those Forth weenies who failed to learn parsing algorithms? 09:21:24 obvious troll is troll? 09:23:06 Vendan: I don't know how you could take my statements as serious 09:23:23 I mean I actually think that forth is a joke, but I'm pretty obviously joking about it 09:23:47 so you are both serious and not serious? 09:24:03 so you are a schrodinger's troll? 09:24:58 basically 09:25:18 I'm serious in that I really think its a toy language, but I presented it in a way that makes my statement silly, and not to be taken seriously 09:25:51 lovely, "I'll be an asshole unless someone calls me out on it, then I'll just say it was all a joke" 09:26:03 lol wow you are taking this way too seriously 09:29:55 I just don't appreciate people that come in and basically say "forth is a joke" 09:30:11 please forgive, it was all for fun 09:30:29 were you never told "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" as a child? 09:31:46 Except that's actually a really bad thing to follow 09:32:26 Constructive negative feedback is great (but before you say anything It's obviously not what I was doing above) 09:33:26 Ha! 09:33:47 Do you really believe that Forth community understands "constructive negative feedback?" 09:33:56 fine, but there's a difference between "you aren't so great at X, here's how you can improve" and "you are shit" 09:34:09 the first is "nice", the second isn't 09:34:28 even just "you aren't good at X" would be fine 09:34:40 I'll be the first to admit that forth isn't good for everything 09:34:55 it's amazing for what I use it for 09:35:19 I would hate to develop windows UI applications in it though 09:37:04 You are acting like I shot your dog, when really I just shitposted in an online chat 09:38:20 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 09:41:33 Vendan: "here how you can improve it" includes implementing proper grammar and proper parser for it, which undermines the very fundamentals of Forth. 09:42:15 Also, it is a taboo for Forth developers, most of whom seem to be unable learn implementing proper parser. 09:42:23 that's your opinion, sure 09:42:56 That's my long time observation. 09:43:57 I would argue that a "proper parser" for forth would involve either a limitation of what the language is capable of, or an extremely complex parser 09:47:14 personally, I can build a parser, I've done it from scratch in 3 languages now 09:47:40 the reason I use forth is because it's simple enough to run fully, including the REPL, on the target system 09:47:57 building a custom parser on the target system would be a massive headache 09:48:23 Not being able to write improperly nested control structures is an intolerable limitation, indeed. 09:49:29 more like having to run on a 64k of ram system at 100khz is rather annoying 09:51:31 If you compile it into threaded code, it will run slowly. 09:51:42 That's obvious to anyone. 09:53:47 also, I would suggest you look into current forths 09:53:57 As if I haven't seen them. :D 09:54:15 detection of improperly matched control structures isn't that hard 09:55:44 Implementing proper parser is easier even. 09:57:24 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-207-249-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:27:27 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@c-73-220-86-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:48:28 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:19:28 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-72-50-86-17.prtc.net) joined #forth 11:25:30 --- join: bedah (~bedah@dyndsl-091-248-079-187.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined #forth 11:49:27 --- quit: Kumool (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 11:49:52 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-72-50-86-17.prtc.net) joined #forth 12:15:03 --- join: real-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 12:19:06 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13:23:54 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 13:29:46 --- quit: bedah (Remote host closed the connection) 13:56:35 --- join: actual-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 13:59:41 --- quit: real-grue (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15:13:38 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.58.136) joined #forth 15:29:43 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 16:02:11 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.58.136) joined #forth 16:09:04 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 16:10:52 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:12:03 --- join: karswell (~user@128.28.90.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 16:17:49 --- quit: actual-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:34:35 --- quit: Skuzzzy (Remote host closed the connection) 16:53:40 --- join: Skuzzzy (~Skuzzzy@wsip-70-166-101-14.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 16:56:00 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:09:41 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 17:18:41 --- quit: DGASAU (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17:23:20 --- join: DGASAU (~user@lmpc.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 17:35:14 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@pool-74-110-57-203.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 18:17:00 --- quit: the_cuckoo (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 18:26:03 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 18:26:23 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.58.136) joined #forth 18:30:43 --- join: the_cuckoo (~charlie@d51a50ae9.access.telenet.be) joined #forth 19:16:47 --- quit: wa5qjh (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19:57:08 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@91.99.123.205) joined #forth 20:56:14 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: ave atque vale) 20:59:29 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@91.99.123.205) joined #forth 21:18:13 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 21:48:09 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22:21:40 --- join: fugastrega (~fugue0@b1FBB.static.pacific.net.au) joined #forth 22:49:08 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@112.198.102.233) joined #forth 22:54:56 --- quit: Kumool (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:28:50 --- quit: fugastrega (Quit: Leaving) 23:29:12 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/16.05.30