00:00:00 --- log: started forth/16.05.24 00:09:46 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: ave atque vale) 00:13:19 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 00:13:27 --- join: karswell` (~user@162.139.115.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 00:17:44 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@1.46.193.108) joined #forth 00:17:44 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 00:27:46 --- quit: JDat (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01:02:12 --- join: orzo (joe@lasker.childrenofmay.org) joined #forth 01:02:19 --- join: Locathor (~locathor@2601:882:100:3191:213:ceff:fe7c:4cd7) joined #forth 01:15:49 --- quit: Locathor (Quit: Leaving) 01:21:50 --- join: dys (~dys@ip-109-44-0-169.web.vodafone.de) joined #forth 02:14:32 --- join: DocPlatypus (~skquinn@c-73-166-108-48.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:17:24 okay, hope nobody takes this as flame bait... it really isn't 02:18:13 ? 02:18:20 I recently had cause to generate a bunch of image files from within (GNU) Forth. rather than open each file individually, write to it, and close it, I chose instead to have the word generate shell script output and then just piped it all into sh 02:18:36 and let the shell take care of the actual file creation (PPM files, which can be written using pure ASCII) 02:19:59 is this bad programming practice? especially given I know in theory I could have done it "right" with about 15 minutes more work that I was just unwilling to do 02:22:08 and for now I'm hesitant to share the code itself... it was very ugly and very "ad hoc" 02:22:33 I even just used the space after PAD as my image buffer since GNU Forth gives you so much 02:52:29 that's not flaim bait 02:53:35 flame bait would be something more like, "FORTH? REALLY? Is it 1994 again?" 02:57:34 flame bait will be "d g a s a u what forth must I choose? " 03:00:07 yeah 03:00:15 I can't believe he is still here after all this time 03:00:30 then again, the people in EFnet #webdesign tried saying I was anti-design 03:00:35 when I was not, I was just anti-stupidity 03:01:09 times change... I once preached the gospel of being sure the site still worked without Javascript, now I find myself learning Javascript which I should have done 10 years ago 03:01:36 I still believe sites should be written to run without Javascript as there is always the possibility it doesn't load or gets eaten by Adblock or Privacy Badger 03:01:40 i run noscript and highly appreciate it when sites work without javascript 03:01:55 I did for a while too 03:02:07 then in 2009 I had the bright idea to try to become a marketing/PR rockstar 03:02:16 didn't get that far with it... still might do it, though the social media wave is not what it used to be 03:03:05 good to know at least a couple of people don't see that as flame bait... though I've been read the riot act for doing things like writing Forth code to generate other Forth code that's repetitive 03:03:13 I'm not into "completely without js" camp, but sure today we see some real crazy decisions that broke web 03:06:01 I am still going to try to do GPLed Javascript if I do it at all 03:07:06 it's not professional if it doesn't use at least 60% cpu 03:08:34 lol 03:09:31 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 03:10:23 that's a huge pet peeve of mine 03:10:32 sites that keep using CPU when I have them in the background 03:10:47 they think everyone has a brand new PC with gobs of CPU available... I'm on a laptop from about the 2010 era 03:24:24 nope, they don't think, this is their main problem, they don't even think about user, they just "quickly done customer order" 03:24:55 you know it is more like mass production right now even with "creative studios" 03:25:33 --- join: X-Scale (~ARM@2001:0:c38c:c38c:0:b2f2:fa61:c224) joined #forth 03:26:05 btw, if believe in recent studies really big companies who depends on their users start to clean itself, while "mainstream" now has page bigger then shareware package of doom ) 03:27:15 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 03:51:31 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 03:57:28 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@180.183.139.250) joined #forth 03:57:28 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 04:54:58 --- join: nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 05:24:30 --- join: Mat4 (~claude@ip5b40bd37.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 05:24:39 hello 05:26:39 orzo: you're off by two decades. 05:49:38 --- quit: DocPlatypus (Read error: No route to host) 06:11:30 --- nick: karswell` -> karswell 06:15:39 --- part: Mat4 left #forth 06:28:52 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:30:02 --- join: karswell (~user@162.139.115.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 06:32:56 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@pool-74-110-57-203.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 06:35:31 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 07:17:41 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 07:17:49 --- join: real-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 07:20:56 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07:43:01 --- quit: Uniju_ (*.net *.split) 07:43:01 --- quit: Vendan (*.net *.split) 08:40:40 --- join: Uniju_ (~frog_styl@cpe-74-78-4-232.mass.res.rr.com) joined #forth 08:43:54 --- join: Vendan_ (Vendan@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe70:5b6b) joined #forth 08:45:21 --- nick: Vendan_ -> vendan 08:46:05 --- quit: Keshl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:46:24 --- join: Keshl (~Purple@24.115.181.94.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 09:35:01 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@pool-74-110-57-203.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 09:37:51 --- quit: DGASAU (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:38:20 --- join: DGASAU (~user@lmpc.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 10:12:07 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8103:f9d0:69ec:f544:9aad:a54d) joined #forth 10:22:05 --- join: Mat4 (~claude@ip5b40bd37.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 10:37:09 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:37:41 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8103:f9d0:69ec:f544:9aad:a54d) joined #forth 11:34:06 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 11:37:55 --- quit: real-grue (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:20:47 --- join: JDat (JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 12:58:28 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 13:06:22 --- quit: JDat (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13:38:52 hello Zarutian 14:03:24 --- part: Mat4 left #forth 14:44:27 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:45:02 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8103:f9d0:69ec:f544:9aad:a54d) joined #forth 15:00:55 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:27:34 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 15:35:34 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 16:11:12 --- join: eazar001 (~idpispopd@2602:306:3970:760:9d13:4c18:97cb:4f5) joined #forth 16:53:11 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 16:59:30 --- quit: nighty (Remote host closed the connection) 17:00:41 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:03:06 --- quit: nighty (Remote host closed the connection) 17:04:36 --- join: nighty (~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:46:51 --- quit: X-Scale (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18:38:20 --- join: iddqd (~idpispopd@2602:306:3970:760:9d13:4c18:97cb:4f5) joined #forth 18:42:01 --- quit: eazar001 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19:06:45 --- quit: iddqd (Quit: Leaving) 19:43:35 --- quit: irsol (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19:46:34 --- join: irsol (~irsol@unaffiliated/contempt) joined #forth 20:25:38 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 20:29:48 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@180.183.139.250) joined #forth 20:29:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 20:52:55 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@203.111.224.52) joined #forth 21:00:35 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 21:34:25 --- join: eazar001 (~idpispopd@2602:306:3970:760:9d13:4c18:97cb:4f5) joined #forth 21:40:21 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 22:21:14 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23:27:25 --- quit: eazar001 (Quit: Leaving) 23:39:04 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@183.88.58.98) joined #forth 23:39:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/16.05.24