00:00:00 --- log: started forth/16.03.08 00:02:28 --- quit: proteusguy_satri (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:12:51 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00:46:51 --- join: JDat (~JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 00:55:56 --- quit: JDat (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:03:10 --- quit: Skuzzzy (Quit: Cya Weeaboos) 01:28:18 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 01:30:31 --- join: nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 01:35:02 --- join: proteusguy_satri (~proteusgu@49.229.159.33) joined #forth 01:38:14 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 01:39:16 --- nick: karswell` -> karswell 02:03:50 --- quit: proteusguy_satri (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02:05:02 --- join: SGASAU (~user@176.7.48.241) joined #forth 02:14:12 --- quit: pointfree (Remote host closed the connection) 04:00:59 --- join: proteusguy_satri (~proteusgu@217.118.241.248) joined #forth 04:05:10 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 04:08:04 --- join: nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 04:18:43 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 06:10:12 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-72-50-86-223.prtc.net) joined #forth 06:54:10 --- quit: Kumool (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:54:42 --- join: DGASAU (~user@lmpc.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 06:58:55 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-72-50-85-83.prtc.net) joined #forth 07:16:33 --- join: Indecipherable (~Howl@41.162.59.11) joined #forth 07:16:43 --- quit: nighty (Quit: It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gums and I'm all out of gums!) 08:01:17 --- quit: SGASAU (Quit: off.) 08:11:39 --- quit: irsol (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 09:16:58 --- quit: proteusguy_satri (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 10:00:32 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 10:12:51 --- join: little_bit (~tomkl@unaffiliated/tomkl) joined #forth 10:18:41 --- join: irsol (~irsol@unaffiliated/contempt) joined #forth 11:08:02 --- join: ASau (~user@netbsd/developers/asau) joined #forth 12:08:38 --- quit: Indecipherable (Quit: Too late I heard the howling, that broke your heart at last...) 12:14:45 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12:25:45 --- join: mat4 (~Claude@ip5b4112a4.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 13:05:37 --- join: JDat (~JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 13:09:17 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-73-223-96-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:34:26 --- quit: JDat (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14:24:14 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 14:38:57 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@pool-74-110-57-203.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 14:39:54 --- quit: mat4 (Quit: Leaving) 14:40:57 --- quit: Kumool (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:53:35 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-72-50-85-223.prtc.net) joined #forth 14:59:22 --- join: PoppaVic (~pops@unaffiliated/poppavic) joined #forth 14:59:42 OK, who here uses Amforth? Raise my hand. 15:00:32 whose hand are we raising? 15:00:44 It was clear enough ;-) 15:01:07 I been goggling and reading and downloading for days.. My eyes are killing me. 15:01:54 i haven't yet tried the atmel forths. it's on my list - was thinking of a "better bus pirate" sort of application 15:02:32 well, I am cleaning the bench off for spring. Gotta' finish the shield to bootload the 1284p, and then build something to use it. 15:02:51 and using them for monitoring the garden - maybe even automatic watering. 15:02:56 But, I been musing over a tethered-forth for these lil' bastards for over a year now. 15:03:53 So, I figure to upload and try amforth, maybe suffer avrforth as well - but I want to offload all the source and headers and crap to a hosted app.. Those poor lil' chips don't deserve the abuse. 15:04:17 i think they should be able to handle smaller apps just fine 15:04:35 they outperform a lot of the older chips that ran other forths back in the day 15:04:59 maybe it was avrforth i was going to try first. that's the interactive one right? 15:05:01 bluekelp: amforth and avrforth shovel the whole fig-like core to the mcu. I want all the outer-interpreter overhead shoveled into my lappy. 15:05:17 ah ok. iirc there was one like that too 15:05:22 amforth is more current, avrforth hasn't seen activity in a long while 15:05:37 have you found any diffs between amforth and avrforth? you said "suffer" avr so i assume you have thoughts on the two of them? 15:05:39 well, there is SwiftX - but I ain't about to pay liz for that 15:05:47 ah. you answered my Q already :) 15:06:09 bluekelp: it'll be a month before I upload any of that to the arduino, mega or my mighty ;-) 15:07:53 I figure you should be able to shoehorn a monitor/loader into the bootloader area, talk with it to develop code in-place and test, and then copy the working results to N processors - all without suffering "Arduino" and even avrdude. 15:08:20 you have me beat. it's been "on my list" for over a year or more :) 15:08:34 i think avrdude is just needed for initial load then it's interactive 15:09:11 meh.. I hate that c++ abortion soooo much. I use their crap for tinker-testing, but I am betting headless, dtc forth is much more compact 15:10:09 i don't arduino - i avr with a gcc-avr etc. 15:10:35 yeah, I have yet to try the avr-gcc stuff.. far too much I tinker needs idiotic "arduino libs" 15:11:37 i got into it with a "nerdkit" which spelled out the pins and had smaller libs for assigning them as in/out/etc. and bypassed the whole arduino thing 15:12:01 it was fun to get back to "real" programming. but i didn't have many applications so it slipped and my mind wandered off to machine learning, etc. 15:12:12 well, most of the displays and such only offer "arduino code" for the interface. I hate reinventing wheels for myself. 15:12:25 now that i'm back into radio i want to try some simple embedded digital modes 15:12:29 at least they ain't 'blobs' 15:12:43 bummer. 15:13:10 is it source code? you might be able to strip out a lot and get to something useful. well, forth would still be more fun. 15:13:49 i don't think nerdkits is a thing any more though. it they had decent enough documentation to get going with gcc-avr and the chip programmer, etc. 15:13:55 yeah, most are source - c++ source. I'd spend days translating that crap, but it would be worth it.. At least I can correlate c to forth fairly easy. 15:14:13 http://www.nerdkits.com/ - guess it still is around 15:14:37 ah but they're sold out of everything. maybe the docs/etc are still available 15:15:49 maybe, I threw the link to a guy that used to love heathkits ;-) 15:16:26 i failed at an arm forth - ran into issues with inner interp as soon as words moved location to diff memory segment - never figured that one out 15:16:43 and stalled on my jonesforth port from gcc/att syntax to intel syntax. 15:17:14 that was so i could tie it in with some other code i had to boot an x86 and run the keyboard. wanted to use forth to twiddle bits inside qemu and get a small os going 15:17:35 oh well. the projects will still be there for me if/when i circle back 15:18:07 I have not bothered to buy an arm board. I don't care to invest in Yet Another Programmer, either. 15:18:48 there are plenty of "small OS" for big, fat mcu's - prolly overkill. A "bios" might be doable. 15:18:56 that one had usb and was openocd compabible. so it was just some drivers and software for the mac 15:21:14 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:25:36 oh wow. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/business/dealbook/microchip-technology-to-buy-atmel-for-nearly-3-6-billion.html?_r=1 15:30:05 yeah, I am waiting to see what they do with it 15:30:39 gods know, I won't buy a godddamned pickit - never did find out if the 2 would work with those damned pic24's 15:31:23 you gotta' work hard to beat ttl uarts, and the spi-bootloading 15:32:22 (and the pic compiler 'suite' was a horror - it felt awful) 15:39:14 --- join: Kumool_ (~kumool@adsl-72-50-85-83.prtc.net) joined #forth 15:39:51 --- quit: Kumool (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16:03:49 PoppaVic: I don't use it. What about it? 16:27:20 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:28:33 --- join: karswell (~user@55.197.125.91.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 17:21:58 --- part: PoppaVic left #forth 17:38:30 --- join: _z (~z@97-82-100-91.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) joined #forth 17:58:29 ffffff/c 18:30:23 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:54:10 --- quit: Kumool_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18:54:51 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-72-50-85-83.prtc.net) joined #forth 18:55:06 --- quit: _z (Remote host closed the connection) 18:55:43 --- join: _z (~z@97-82-100-91.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) joined #forth 20:33:56 --- quit: _z (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:44:02 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 20:49:31 --- quit: ASau (Remote host closed the connection) 20:49:46 --- join: ASau (~user@netbsd/developers/asau) joined #forth 21:02:17 --- quit: DGASAU (Remote host closed the connection) 21:02:47 --- quit: little_bit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:03:07 --- join: DGASAU` (~user@lmpc.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 21:33:16 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21:46:39 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-229-98.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 21:46:40 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 22:01:33 --- join: karswell (~user@55.197.125.91.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 22:53:10 --- join: JDat (JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 22:54:46 I love my TI launchpads 23:24:34 --- quit: JDat (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23:56:30 --- join: nighty (~nighty@202.224.50.1) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/16.03.08