00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.12.03 00:17:24 --- quit: xyh (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.39/20151111142545]) 00:27:30 --- join: dys (~dys@ip-109-41-244-153.web.vodafone.de) joined #forth 00:30:26 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:8802:38c9:d5db:892b) joined #forth 00:34:54 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00:47:16 --- nick: Keshl_ -> Keshl 00:52:42 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02:01:05 --- quit: rixard (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:17:51 --- join: true-grue (~grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 04:26:11 --- quit: clog (^C) 04:26:11 --- log: stopped forth/15.12.03 04:26:30 --- log: started forth/15.12.03 04:26:30 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 04:26:30 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | http://projects.forthworks.com/standards/DPANS/ | www.greenarraychips.com' 04:26:30 --- topic: set by crc!sid2647@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-incoycbnpesmfspg on [Fri Nov 06 18:58:45 2015] 04:26:30 --- names: list (clog xyh piou true-grue dys Keshl asagk joneshf-laptop nighty^ beretta Quozl` bb010g DGASAU ggherdov` ovf crc nisstyre yunfan C-Keen proteusguy TodPunk DKordic pointfree _longines dzho irsol JohnMarkM Guest66435 phadthai xpoqp JX7P rpcope1 diginet Vuokko impomatic_ nighty^_ orangetide +bluekelp segher djinni kulp sbp malyn newcup Frek carc) 04:36:16 --- quit: nighty^ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04:42:04 --- quit: piou (Changing host) 04:42:05 --- join: piou (~piou@unaffiliated/piou) joined #forth 04:57:12 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05:09:59 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-230-142.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 05:09:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 05:30:46 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:4df4:fde7:9c0f:7171) joined #forth 05:35:12 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 05:46:08 --- join: atommann (~atommann@222.248.65.23) joined #forth 05:58:30 --- nick: Guest66435 -> rprimus 06:03:48 --- join: Mitzelflick (6c07ef0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.7.239.13) joined #forth 06:04:16 how would I read a file, then for each word, print word, then print newline, so output is each word on its own line? 06:16:58 hum... I have diverged with trad. forth... 06:17:00 but 06:22:11 --- quit: atommann (Quit: Leaving) 06:33:47 --- join: backer (~backer@cowbell.employees.org) joined #forth 06:40:04 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@91.98.210.92) joined #forth 06:43:53 --- quit: xyh (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.39/20151111142545]) 06:44:05 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:4df4:fde7:9c0f:7171) joined #forth 07:05:23 --- quit: DGASAU (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:05:30 --- join: DGASAU (~user@lmpc.drb.insel.de) joined #forth 07:48:18 --- join: Bahman_ (~Bahman@188.245.163.68) joined #forth 07:49:12 --- quit: Bahman (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 08:00:03 --- join: xyh (~cicada@14.127.25.144) joined #forth 08:02:09 --- quit: Bahman_ (Quit: Ave atque vale) 08:13:21 --- quit: Quozl` (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 08:18:21 do you find once you know gforth well that results are easy? 08:18:32 i find it hard to do thing in forth sofar due to my ignorance 09:06:41 --- join: Keshl_ (~Purple@24.115.181.94.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 09:06:58 --- quit: Keshl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:08:52 --- quit: bb010g (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 10:24:52 --- join: ASau (~user@netbsd/developers/asau) joined #forth 10:57:02 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@089144193002.atnat0002.highway.a1.net) joined #forth 10:57:37 --- join: proteusguy_satri (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-230-142.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 11:05:33 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:18:23 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 11:22:03 --- nick: Keshl_ -> Keshl 11:28:32 Mitzelflick: I just looked at some gforth code I wrote when trying to learn file operations and I almost don't recognize any of it any more. 11:33:31 ll 11:33:32 lol 11:34:11 forth seems tantalizingly powerful but how do you get things done? get runing useful apps? 11:37:45 I will there must be a better way than java. 11:37:53 "better" 11:38:59 less pain? 11:39:05 less resources used? 11:39:11 less java goons to deal with? 11:40:43 fewer libraries 11:41:41 when I read that 10k was 10,000 lines of code 11:41:51 and 1 meg could have 10k code and 990k data 11:41:56 I was like WOOAA 11:42:03 no one ever had me think of that before 11:42:12 Mitzelflick, basically only people in specialized areas had/have the time to get stuff doen in forth. 11:44:08 the forth community as a whole has more a problem to write re-useable code. but as even the creator of forth doesn't do that, there is no interest. 11:44:22 writing a forth system is maybe also to easy. 11:45:24 Pf! 11:45:43 Yet another teenager who thinks that Forth seems powerful. 11:46:09 it's simple and interesting. 11:46:15 and still is. 11:46:21 It is primitive, not simple. 11:47:01 Primitivity doesn't entail utility. 11:47:05 that's only a matter of wording. for me that is the same thing. 11:48:32 is greenarrays making any sales? 11:48:32 Scheme is as simple, if not simpler. 11:48:32 is it? 11:48:33 Yet it is a lot more powerful. 11:48:44 scheme doesnt seem to be used a lot why? 11:48:53 chicken scheme seems nice 11:49:06 not sure if racket is scheme any more 11:49:07 Scheme is definitely used a lot more than Forth. :D 11:49:45 ASau, maybe true. But lisps normally need a GC. Implementing a forth system is something I know. But not how to implement a scheme system. 11:51:02 So, the only problem is that you personally don't know how to implement it. 11:51:05 ASau, is here more the curiosity destroyer. 11:51:44 and what? 11:52:49 Scheme is basically on the same utility level as forth. both languages with a myriad of badly defined libraries 11:53:09 comparing scheme and forth is like comparing green apples with red apples. both apples. 11:53:21 Scheme is incomparably more useful than Forth. 11:53:51 At least you can finish some simple project within sensible time, if you pick right implementation. 11:53:53 I doubt that. 11:54:41 I'm so sick of this stupidity. 11:54:51 --- quit: fantazo (Quit: Verlassend) 12:00:35 --- join: true-grue_ (~grue@176.14.216.104) joined #forth 12:03:48 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12:23:45 so for can be used to finish projects in a short time. 12:23:46 ? 12:23:59 No. 12:24:41 Forth makes even trivial projects quite challenging endeavor. 12:48:39 what about haskell and commmon lisp? 12:58:53 how can I make a lot of money? 13:00:25 Why do you think that making a lot of money relates to technology in any way? 13:03:09 --- join: jpt9 (~jpt9@unaffiliated/jpt9) joined #forth 13:08:19 bill gates 13:08:22 steve jobs 13:08:26 at&t 13:08:29 stuff like that 13:08:48 are you saying I am better off ignoring computers in order to make lots of cash? 13:10:31 --- quit: true-grue_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:12:25 part of me is stubborn 13:12:36 I want to make something better than stuff I see 13:12:39 use free software 13:12:43 and make ton of money 13:12:55 mayb I am really dumb 13:13:53 Bill Gates has written himself only BASIC. 13:14:01 Steve Jobs hasn't written anything. 13:14:12 AT&T is telecom provider. 13:14:19 How are they related? 13:17:39 at&t uses a lot of computer technology 13:17:44 and has oceans of money 13:17:59 I dont want to argue but I do want advice 13:18:06 how do you think one can become rich? 13:18:10 even someone simple like me? 13:18:17 By robbing a bank. 13:18:26 legally 13:18:38 You can rob it legally. 13:19:06 join the fed? 13:19:12 become a politician? 13:19:26 write books for children like harry pot? 13:24:32 --- quit: jpt9 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14:06:40 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-72-50-84-170.prtc.net) joined #forth 14:11:33 --- join: oceanpollen (~oceanpoll@172.56.14.44) joined #forth 14:26:54 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 14:49:08 --- join: Kumool_ (~kumool@adsl-64-237-238-99.prtc.net) joined #forth 14:50:57 --- quit: Kumool (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15:25:10 --- quit: Mitzelflick (Quit: Page closed) 15:29:11 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:29:50 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:4df4:fde7:9c0f:7171) joined #forth 16:27:03 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@q029220.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 17:11:50 --- join: karswell (~user@253.54.199.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 17:43:04 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 17:49:15 --- join: atommann (~atommann@210.3.149.230) joined #forth 17:55:10 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:fdb4:6620:803e:2021) joined #forth 17:57:10 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 18:05:05 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:383e:d5a5:c9a4:1dc6) joined #forth 18:06:26 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 18:07:58 the appropriate comparison is perhaps between forth and assembly 18:08:04 --- join: bb010g (uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbuvnzgskdtlmvox) joined #forth 18:15:00 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:c556:8130:85e2:88fd) joined #forth 18:16:22 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 18:34:50 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:f0ba:6771:c975:257e) joined #forth 18:58:57 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 19:05:20 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:8d73:68c1:769b:a279) joined #forth 19:07:40 --- quit: oceanpollen (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19:08:20 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 19:18:30 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:19b:b2d3:490:6028) joined #forth 20:01:40 --- quit: atommann (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20:05:56 --- join: atommann (~atommann@210.3.149.230) joined #forth 20:24:02 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:24:45 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:19b:b2d3:490:6028) joined #forth 20:28:08 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:28:41 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-68-40-49-135.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:35:17 --- quit: Kumool_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20:36:45 --- join: Kumool (~kumool@adsl-64-237-233-164.prtc.net) joined #forth 20:39:54 --- quit: atommann (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20:46:56 --- quit: Kumool (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20:56:21 --- join: atommann (~atommann@210.3.149.230) joined #forth 21:23:33 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 22:20:18 --- quit: TodPunk (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:20:45 --- join: TodPunk (~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net) joined #forth 22:21:07 --- join: Keshl_ (~Purple@24.115.181.94.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 22:23:13 --- quit: Keshl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:24:20 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:400:8000:3da0:5470:e970:8d7b:5442) joined #forth 22:29:08 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23:03:08 --- nick: Keshl_ -> Keshl 23:20:28 --- quit: asagk (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23:33:02 --- join: asagk (~asagk@i59F6A0BD.versanet.de) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.12.03